The ATS Issues Thread

Hello?

Is this thing on?

Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
Hello?

Is this thing on?

I do not think anyone will understand what you are trying to say or show with your post.
Maybe... a little explanation will help ?

Forgive my assumption...

It seems like I am not qualified to assume what others understand, or not.

It's pretty comforting to be guided to a position where my feet are back on the ground again.

@ Ladyinwaiting

Thank you.

[edit on 8/7/2010 by Sinter Klaas]

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


Yes, it's on WZN. As you see, we have seized this thread and turned it into a chat room.

I'm sure some grouch will be along shortly to end the liberation of the Issues thread.

Hm. Wonder who (which) it will be?

reply to post by ArMaP


Thanks! I think that I didn't ask that correctly in my post, but what I meant to ask was: is there any moderators here from any of those countries I mentioned? if so how many?

But of course, I also understand that maybe the membership from those countries are maybe not that high in numbers yet here on ATS.

Hopefully we'll see more of them as members in the future perhaps.

Maybe you know how many moderators there are here from mainland/continental Europe and/or the Australian/New Zealand time zone?

Kind regards!

reply to post by Chevalerous


Here you go Chev ... the ones that don't show a location are either in prison, mental hospital, and/or guvmint bunker. And one is surely in heaven.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


hehe

Well I can always use telepathy and chat to you all that way!

*sends LIW a deep thought on the shift in galactic consciousness*

reply to post by schrodingers dog


Ah! many thanks shrodog!

Well after a super-quick overview I can conclude that there were more or less a total of 68 moderators - 11 moderators of these 68 were not from the American continent/time zones and were living in other world time zones.

So more or less, the rest of these 57 moderators were either from Canada or the USA/American continent (I think that majority of those 57 were from the U.S)

Okey, I could have missed someone because I counted very fast or counted wrong, but here's the result:

6 Moderators were from the UK.
1 Moderator from Denmark.
1 Moderator from Portugal.
1 Moderator from South Africa.
1 Moderator from Australia.
1 Moderator from New Zealand.
1 Moderator from Aruba The Dutch Antilles/West Indies.
1 Moderator from The Caribbean - unspecified location/nationality.

A total of 9 of these Moderators are located in the European time zone.

(South Africa is counted here in this example as the European time zone+1)

And the great majority of the moderators are currently from the North American continent!

So this quick analysis show that ATS could use a few more Moderators especially in the Asian/Australian time zone to be more in balance both culturally and time-wise. And to be more international internationally of course.

reply to post by Cosmic4life


We have several dedicated servers running the latest and greatest hardware, several thousand dollars worth. I think the "investment" needed here is in your ISP, your service plan, or your router.

Springer...

I am having an issue with a rather annoying trend I see here on ATS. I do not question the system in place for 'starring' a post that is interesting and flagging for others to come and see. My problem lies with the people who create threads that are ridiculous ( I wont single out anyone ) and have nothing to do with conspiracies, and when i go to see the thread, it has loads of stars! Then I scroll down and a post has nothing but laughing faces and it has a sizable amount of stars as well. I then scroll down more and see that a newer member says almost the exact same thing and he gets no stars.

Like I said before, I have no qualms with the setup of stars and flags for GOOD THREADS and GOOD REPLIES. However, it really burns my *snip* when I see older (and younger for that matter, but almost always older) members who get all these stars for contributing absolutely nothing. This system needs to be overhauled- like maybe only getting stars from a moderator/board member. That's a heck of an idea.

*I do not know if someone has posted something along the same lines as this post because there are loads of replies and, frankly speaking, I am not scrolling and reading all of them*

reply to post by Say_It_Already


I think one of the things you might be missing because you might be newer to the site is as time goes on that members develop online personas.

Some posters are known for being passionate about certain subjects and having a certain personality that sometimes adds context to those who know their posting style, that make something they say funnier or more profound as a result of ‘who’ they are.

Because you might not be familiar with their posting habits, or history, or personality, you miss that added context and just scratch your head and don’t get the ‘inside’ humor, or wisdom of what they are saying or displaying in brief.

Stars are an honest reflection of how the people who award them feel, even when on those rare occasions they are rewarded for dishonest purposes.

Most of the time that’s just other people seeing what you might not in a post, or thinking or feeling differently than you, and that would be true whether there are stars or not.

Thanks.

Why am I seeing ads again? It doesn't happen everytime and on every page, but it's still happening when as a gold member, I should not be seeing an ad EVER on the MY ATS page....

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


I was thinking the same thing jax, but just thought, Oooh that musta been there all along, and I'm too ditsy to have noticed

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


I've been lurking for almost as long as you have been a member. I was just stating my .02 and you can't tell me it's an inside joke that i might not get, it's a scam- everyone knows! It's no secret. However, I totally respect your opinion. I just respectfully disagree.

* didnt know where else to put this in, since i need 20 postings and it needed to get off my chest*

Thank You for at least hearing me out.

Originally posted by Say_It_Already
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

I've been lurking for almost as long as you have been a member.

I was just stating my .02 and you can't tell me it's an inside joke that i might not get, it's a scam- everyone knows! It's no secret. However, I totally respect your opinion. I just respectfully disagree.

* didnt know where else to put this in, since i need 20 postings and it needed to get off my chest*

Thank You for at least hearing me out.

You are right I can’t tell you, but I can type it out, which I already did. So you better understand what a lurker doesn’t have is “I am a friend of list”.

If you look at my ATS Profile Page several hundred members (many of whom I have never even seen a post from or communicated in any way with) have selected me as a friend.

Many of them studiously follow my threads and posts by using that feature on someone’s profile. They do that either because they presumably enjoy reading my posts.

So in reality there are a few hundred ATS members that potentially are interested in what I have to say, before they have even read it. They aren’t always going to a thread because they naturally ran across it but are going to a thread because my profile stated that I posted on it. Such people may be in fact more interested in what I have to say on a thread than what the Original Poster has or any other member has. Such people would be more inclined to star my post to the thread regardless of what’s in the post, how long it is, or what it really says. Primarily because such people simply like the overall history and quality of my posts and the online persona I have developed through posting them.

It’s not about time spent on the site, it’s the level of interaction with others that has occurred on the site.

What I might convey through two lines of script might conjure up things I have said on other far more lengthier posts that causes them to read more into it, and approve of it more than maybe you or someone else not familiar with me would.

This is a sensible, rational, and real explanation and I think if you take the time to check profiles of people who get heavily starred for posts you might not always understand or appreciate why they are getting starred so much, you will see that they have a significant number of ‘friends’ on ATS.

That really does explain most of what you feel you are witnessing, you might want to consider looking further into it, and by accessing the profiles of members you feel are being overly or unfairly starred.

Thanks, and keep posting, the more you contribute to ATS in a positive and noteworthy way, the more likely it becomes anything you post will become noteworthy to some other members.

Thanks.

**********

Edit to add a recent example:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The referenced post there is something I considered to be a humurous post I made on a fresh Mason thread:

In it I claim I want to be a Mason, that alone would be hysterical to anyone who knows my online persona. I go on to say I am worried though because I am a convicted felon, a career criminal, a convicted sex offender, and a bed wetter, all of which are things that would cause the Masons to black ball (reject a candidate for membership) and would any of the ATS Masons put in a good word for me.

Yet in the post I note that being a bed wetter is likely the real deal breaker because of sleep overs.

This is extremely funny because anyone who knows me KNOWS I am not a bed wetter!

The post got significantly more stars than most of the replies to the thread.

Check it out and see for your self.

Thanks again.


[edit on 9/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Furthering the arrogance of ATS. I'm not here to care how many posts you've created or how many friends you've created while being here. All I was saying is I am not new to this site. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to learn more about the conspiracies that i know of and those that I dont know of.

You can put it as nicely as you want and even snicker as to how you think you've got away with talking me down. I don't care. I know BS when I see it and that just stunk the room up.

Originally posted by Say_It_Already
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Furthering the arrogance of ATS. I'm not here to care how many posts you've created or how many friends you've created while being here. All I was saying is I am not new to this site. I'm not here to make friends. I'm here to learn more about the conspiracies that i know of and those that I dont know of.

You can put it as nicely as you want and even snicker as to how you think you've got away with talking me down. I don't care. I know BS when I see it and that just stunk the room up.

Hey I am just trying to help you out find rational explanations for things you appear to be encountering, by the way I edited my above reply to you to provide an example of such a post I made you might not understand if you didn't know my posting history: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Believe it or not many ATS members try hard to be helpful and part of what ATS is about is members trying to help other members find rational explanations to either dismiss a potential conspiracy or facts to support one which is all part of what denying ignorance is about.

You are free to internalize that any way you wish, but the advice is sincerely offered.

Thanks.

reply to post by Say_It_Already


Hey, I can share your frustrations, I've experienced them as well. I can offer you some simple advice, don't know if you'll want to take it or not, I certainly didn't want to. Just ignore threads which you believe to be irrelevant, what else can you do?

Oh, and as for Proto, don't get too riled up over his posts, he likes to talk about himself a lot, it's his 'persona'.

reply to post by serbsta


I see where you are coming from and I stand corrected. If a valid point or suggestions is offered, like you presented, I will accept it. Thanks you, you are right.

Originally posted by serbsta
reply to post by Say_It_Already

 

Hey, I can share your frustrations, I've experienced them as well. I can offer you some simple advice, don't know if you'll want to take it or not, I certainly didn't want to. Just ignore threads which you believe to be irrelevant, what else can you do?

Oh, and as for Proto, don't get too riled up over his posts, he likes to talk about himself a lot, it's his 'persona'.

This is absolutely not true though as a small child growing up in a log cabin...

I think we have all experienced situations where some posters are heavily starred for things we don't agree with.

I bet in a thread just the Proto comment you made would pick up 3 or 4 stars because there are some people inclined to agree with the statement ( a true ATS mystery there) yet someone who didn't know my online persona might assume the 4 stars were for suggesting a member ignore threads that they don't like the topic or content.

So yes as always thanks for further illustrating my contentions!

Thanks Serbsta.



[edit on 9/8/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

reply to post by Springer


We have several dedicated servers running the latest and greatest hardware, several thousand dollars worth. I think the "investment" needed here is in your ISP, your service plan, or your router.

Springer...

Well i am glad to hear it, please forgive my poking/prodding methodology to get some answers to this problem.
After a good suggestion from ArMaP i have run tracert www.abovetopsecret.com in the command line and i have discovered the connection is going through 12 IP hops.....
xe-5-1-0-xcrl.lsw.cw.net
xe-5-3-0-xcrl.nyk.cw.net
twc.nyk.cw.net
ae-2-0.cro.nyc30.tbone.rr.com
ae-4-0.cro.dca20.tbone.rr.com
ae-1-0.pro.dca10.tbone.rr.com
then the connection hops through networklayer.com which is where the problems begin.....
tel-2.bbr01.eq1.wdc01.networklayer.com...slow/timeouts.
po3.bbr02.t101.at101.networklayer.com...slow/timeouts.
po7.bbr02.eq01.dal01.networklayer.com...slow/timeouts.
po5.dar02.sr01.dal01.networklayer.com....sloooow.
i don't really know where to go or what to do now,if i could find a way of getting to ATS without going through networklayer.com.
I guess i should direct my venom towards them from now on, sorry to all at ATS.
Any members with a deeper knowledge of connections?
I would welcome your input into how to circumvent networklayer.com.