Project Camelot's NEW 4hr long interview with John Lear

reply to post by gottago


gottago....are you serious??

Or, are you just trying to be obtuse?

If obtuse, or trying to be humorous....you failed, miserably!!

Folks....the Moon rotates, about its own axis...

A 'day' on the Moon is the same as fourteen days on the Earth. A 'night' on the Moon, same....14 earth days.

These are averages, of course, because the Moon rotates on its axis, as it orbits the Earth....and is illuminated, by the Sun, to provide what we call the 'phases' of the Moon.

So, and no apology to Pink Floyd....there is no 'Dark Side of the Moon'....because, like Earth, all of the Moon is eventually exposed to the Sun....just happens differently than what we see here, on Earth.

(OK...the poles, North and South, on the Moon....they receive less sunlight....just like the Earth's poles....)

There is the 'FarSide' of the Moon....because it is tidally locked, we see only one hemisphere....need spacecraft to view the 'farside'....

BUT....the bloody thing rotates!!!!!! But it is tidally locked, so we see only one hemisphere!!

Gosh! Doesn't anyone understand science? Or astrophysics!?!?!

WW

Originally posted by gottago
The moon always shows the same face to us; it does not rotate on its axis, it rotates around the earth.

Run down to the craft shop and pick up a couple of styrofoam balls, a big one, and a little one. Stick a sharpened pencil in each one and hold the pencil with the balls pointed up. Put a dot or some kind of mark on one side of the little one. Now...try to move the little one around the big one, while keeping the mark facing the big one at all times. You can't do it without rotating the pencil....otherwise known as the axis.

Try it, you'll be surprised I'm guessing.


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Me...me...(waving my hand wildly)...I do. Or at least I pretend to...

All this arguing...Lear's gotta be lovin' it. On that note, I'm not gonna give him anymore satisfaction. Bye, all.

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seagull!!! Don't go!!!! Tippie Hendron implores you!!!!



WW

Originally posted by Springer
WeedWhacker, I would love to learn more about the "simulator bunk" as you put it. Seeing as how you are currently a pilot, you are very qualified to speak on the issue.

Maybe you could put together a solid post about how it's not only possible to crash planes into buildings in a simulator, but you've done it yourself. A video of you doing it would be stellar!

Cool - so WeedWhacker I suppose your up to this task?
How soon can we expect a video?

Peace

dAlen

Rotation and orbit

The moon rotates on its axis once every 29 1/2 days. That is the period from one sunrise to the next, as seen from the lunar surface, and so it is known as a lunar day. By contrast, Earth takes only 24 hours for one rotation.

The moon's axis of rotation, like that of Earth, is tilted. Astronomers measure axial tilt relative to a line perpendicular to the ecliptic plane, an imaginary surface through Earth's orbit around the sun. The tilt of Earth's axis is about 23.5 degrees from the perpendicular and accounts for the seasons on Earth. But the tilt of the moon's axis is only about 1.5 degrees, so the moon has no seasons.

Another result of the smallness of the moon's tilt is that certain large peaks near the poles are always in sunlight. In addition, the floors of some craters -- particularly near the south pole -- are always in shadow.

The moon completes one orbit of Earth with respect to the stars about every 27 1/3 days, a period known as a sidereal month. But the moon revolves around Earth once with respect to the sun in about 29 1/2 days, a period known as a synodic month. A sidereal month is slightly shorter than a synodic month because, as the moon revolves around Earth, Earth is revolving around the sun. The moon needs some extra time to "catch up" with Earth. If the moon started on its orbit from a spot between Earth and the sun, it would return to almost the same place in about 29 1/2 days.

A synodic month equals a lunar day. As a result, the moon shows the same hemisphere -- the near side -- to Earth at all times. The other hemisphere -- the far side -- is always turned away from Earth.

People sometimes mistakenly use the term dark side to refer to the far side. The moon does have a dark side -- it is the hemisphere that is turned away from the sun. The location of the dark side changes constantly, moving with the terminator, the dividing line between sunlight and dark.

The lunar orbit, like the orbit of Earth, is shaped like a slightly flattened circle. The distance between the center of Earth and the moon's center varies throughout each orbit. At perigee (PEHR uh jee), when the moon is closest to Earth, that distance is 225,740 miles (363,300 kilometers). At apogee (AP uh jee), the farthest position, the distance is 251,970 miles (405,500 kilometers). The moon's orbit is elliptical (oval-shaped).

www.nasa.gov...

You beat me Internos.

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Well, for example here there's apparently a slightly different take on it

The Earth’s moon rotates (spins on its axis), every 27.32166 Earth days. It revolves around the Earth in the exact same period - every 27.32166 Earth days. Because of the synchronization of revolutionary and rotational periods, the same portion of the moon’s surface is always directed toward the Earth.

www.physlink.com...

anyway here,

Hello Byron

Thanks for your question. The answer is actually 'Yes the moon does turn on
its own axis' and 'yes, we do see the same surface all the time.'

You see the moon turns on its axis at a rate that means that it turns once
every 29.5 days - it also takes 29.5 days to travel around the Earth. As a
result, we always see the same face of the moon.

If you have trouble visualising why this is true - pretend that you are the
moon. Find an object like a chair (you will pretend that the chair is the
Earth). Now move around the chair so that your body always faces the chair.
As you move around - you will have to turn your body so that it faces the
chair. You have to turn your body a full rotation every time you do a full
circuit of the chair.

I hope this helps you.

Cheers

Cameron Millsom

www.newton.dep.anl.gov...

there's a nice explanation that makes the point.


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That is good that you mentioned that, because that is exactly what was said in my original post.
I really immediately thought why the difference, but you made it clear now, thanks.

The Moon's orbital period is 27.322 days. Because of this motion, the Moon appears to move about 13° against the stars each day, or about half of a degree per hour. If you watch the Moon over the course of several hours one night, you will notice that its position among the stars will change by a few degrees. The changing position of the Moon with respect to the Sun leads to lunar phases.

www.windows.ucar.edu...=/the_universe/uts/moon1.html&edu=high



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Here's an example of a non-synchronous & synchronous moon orbit with the earth and sun.

Moon Trick

It's very tricky and I still wonder how it does it so perfectly everytime.

Sorry I can't embedd but you can view it at youtube with my hyperlink.

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Hi Solarskye , a clear video, amazing isn’t it?
You can ask yourself if this really good be just a coincidence, but I think it isn’t.

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Wow, still out there after all these years... I mean Mr Lear not
the thread.

I gave up on the video about the 40min point.
I didn't want my ideas worked over by the master of secrets that
might be secrets.

He got the 64% right but that does not mean much of an atmosphere.
There is another gas law equation for that I would believe.
Mars has storms that pile up sand as far as I can tell.
But Mars does not hold on to much atmosphere either.
The Moon's atmosphere must be ether thin if thats all the 'dark matter'
thats in between gas atoms.

ED: Tesla says all planet Moons do NOT rotate on their axis.
The is because the rotation is gradually pulled back to a dead stop.
(Reminds me of a song.. but what...)
He diagrammed it out.
My question is why aren't the planets considered moons of the sun
and not rotate.
Mercury has no rotation on its axis. Definitely rotation denied by the sun.
Did something cause the Earth's rotation?

ED+:Series of Dreams
Which is a good Tesla conspiracy song.

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It's not unique to just the earth/moon system.

Most inner moons of planets have synchronous rotation, so their synchronous orbits are, in practice, limited to their leading and trailing Lagrange points.

Source

Although this article doesn't specifically mention which moons it does appear that most planets do have synchronous moons orbiting them.

Satellites are an example. Their antenna has to always point to the earth while orbiting.

Originally posted by budski
We've all got to make a living - I think that JL stumbled upon a very good way to earn a living through CT's, and some of his stuff was truly rivetting.

I would suggest that you offer proof that JL 'makes a living' from CT's I would settle for even 'makes a decent buck'

You think he gets paid for the Camelot interview? Do you have a list of his published books we can check out? Yup he had one paid gig last year in San Jose as a speaker... and made ALMOST enough to cover the expense of him going there...

But this translates into making a living how?

May I suggest you get some facts before making such a claim?

Thanks a million

We DO have a number of JL/ ATS Tin Foil hats available... that never quite took off.... now that there is a 'parting of ways' perhaps they will become a collectors item...

I simply thought the project camelot people did an amazing job!

not taking away from John, its just that two people interviewing him asked all the questions I would have without all the bad bumper music (take that C2C )

It was really cool to be able to see him all chillin in his office pulling out random photos and stuff from everywhere thanks to the OP this made todays data entry awesome!

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Doesn't anyone understand science? Or astrophysics!?!?!

This isn't the astrophysics thread... and I thought you were a pilot, not an astrophysicist so I hardly think you have the qualifications to state what the Moon does and does not do... [IMO of course ]

Now how about Springers challenge? You have made claims about the 'simulator' can you verify this for us as Mark asked? I for one would love to see it



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Originally posted by Solarskye
Here's an example of a non-synchronous & synchronous moon orbit with the earth and sun.

Moon Trick

It's very tricky and I still wonder how it does it so perfectly everytime.

Sorry I can't embedd but you can view it at youtube with my hyperlink.

[edit on 5/6/2008 by Solarskye]

Well, as before:
(Since comment is pending approval at Utube I'll put down an approximate post.)

Tesla said all planet Moons do NOT rotate on their axis and
eventually come to a permanent stop if they ever did have rotation.
This is because the rotation is gradually pulled back by the planet.
He diagrammed it out.
My question is why aren't the planets considered moons of the sun
and not rotate.
Mercury has no rotation on its axis.
Definitely rotation denied by the sun.
Did something cause the Earth's rotation?

Originally posted by seagull
All this arguing...Lear's gotta be lovin' it. On that note, I'm not gonna give him anymore satisfaction. Bye, all.

Well not sure about that... but the video viewing rate has gone through the roof... and despite the fact ATS is only mentioned fro 2% its at the front... and attention span in the 'general populace' being what it is these days.. I am willing to bet ATS is getting a lot of interest, judging by youtube posts... if just to drop in to see what all the fuss is about...

Mind you I COULD be wrong... but with all the recent flurry of active on other boards regarding ATS... well as they say there is no such thing as 'bad' publicity

You know, when I started watching this video, I thought that the man was crazy. But I have to say, he has some excellent points. I note that when I am writing up on subject such as UFO's and Religion and so forth, I can pretty much say what I want and make my point. However, I note that when you go into issue such as Politics and Isreal, ATS don't seem to want to let you say a lot. I will not repeatr the word as it seems that some people can not take being told the truth, but when you make a point that involved America kicking the worlds ass and your are told that you are a f**l it is a big time offence. The mind wonders. Where aall the issues going on on this board, it is funny that when you hit a nerve on a subject matter such as Isreal, it is a massive no no. Therefore, Mr Lear, I see your point.

You mean this documentary is 4 hrs. long? Jeesh! That's longer than "Gone With The Wind"!
Will just have to skip "Dancing with the Stars" tonight and see if I can finish up this interview.. So far, it's very entertaining because John Lear's a lot of fun to listen to!