Shards of the Illuminati

Originally posted by Bernard the Monk
Maban, what is your opinion on the teachings of mormonism? Do you speak icelandic (ikkje,ikke)?

I actually know it decently well, and I have my... reservations about it. I think some good ideas got modified and/or changed from what they were but it instills good ideals like most every other faith, so it is not bad per my definition.

I speak about as much Icelandic as a rock. I'm a Seattleite, I speak English, and tech, that is about it.

- Maban

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I could not have said it better myself! Truthfully, I could not have.

- Maban

would not you holding your tongues, for fear of mens judgements on this "hidden" information, orginisational structure, Current Doctrines, Past deeds, and misdeeds, power and influence exertion methods within the weakest beast system show disbalance and distrust? as if you did this it would interlink physically those who sew discontent.

Also not revealing it may cause it to become into outer darkness, as the whole account is not transcribed, due to as you say lack of analog ability.

perhaps you can show me how this doesnt all draw from the reptillian brain?

And perhaps you could show me if in any way, relates to Elijahs prophecy if i have your precepts correct.

A new thread you might be interested in www.abovetopsecret.com...

Second line...

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Originally posted by leomurray
would not you holding your tongues, for fear of mens judgements on this "hidden" information, orginisational structure, Current Doctrines, Past deeds, and misdeeds, power and influence exertion methods within the weakest beast system show disbalance and distrust? as if you did this it would interlink physically those who sew discontent.

Also not revealing it may cause it to become into outer darkness, as the whole account is not transcribed, due to as you say lack of analog ability.

perhaps you can show me how this doesnt all draw from the reptillian brain?

And perhaps you could show me if in any way, relates to Elijahs prophecy if i have your precepts correct.

Again, not answering for Maban, but...

I don't think he is holding his tongue. This is an unprecedented opportunity we have been given by this organization and if you read through the thread you can see that Maban will answer almost every question.

I think the 'truth' is not something that is being purposefully withheld, rather it's something that cannot possibly be understood by mankind at our current stage of development.

Imagine placing an infant at the controls of the space shuttle only moments after he is born. Even though he may spend his life seeking, searching and yearning for the knowledge of how to travel to space, just simply dumping it on him and handing him the keys would serve no purpose.

The Truth is not something that can just be said, written, told, heard, etc. In my opinion it is something that is so overwhelming it would probably take several lifetimes to even begin to comprehend it.

In the meantime in order to help the infant realize his goal and purpose in life there are those who keep the space shuttle ready, fueled and maintained until the child has grown and absorbed all the necessary knowledge and experience to be able to fully realize his potential.

There are sentinels who keep it ready, and their are guardians like parents, teachers, family etc. who guide and direct the child as he grows, gently nudging him in the direction of perhaps math, science or aviation without forcing it upon him.

In my mind that is what the Illuminon do. Our race, though young, has a beautiful destiny. People like us will probably never realize it in our lifetimes but there are a select few that stand by to occasionally nudge or poke us in the right direction.

As for the Remnants, I can't speak for them either but my impression is that they would take the baby, strap it in the seat, and hit the ignition button and then stand around scratching their heads going, "We just gave him what he wanted."

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Originally posted by leomurray
would not you holding your tongues, for fear of mens judgements on this "hidden" information, orginisational structure, Current Doctrines, Past deeds, and misdeeds, power and influence exertion methods within the weakest beast system show disbalance and distrust? as if you did this it would interlink physically those who sew discontent.

I do not reveal certain information, not because I fear its repercussions, nor do I fear what discontent may be sewn by them, but I do not reveal information for our own safety, our own protection and that of our cause. Were some of our adversaries to learn our true involvement, we woudl transcend the title of hindrance, to existential threat.

Also not revealing it may cause it to become into outer darkness, as the whole account is not transcribed, due to as you say lack of analog ability.

Despite how it may "appear," I know what is fact, and what is fiction. I am deeply apologetic that I cannot share all, that all can not know us for whom we really are, you think that I do not wish this? Indeed, I do; I have for many years now. But the cost is too great. I know many here advocate and even demand full disclosure, but even they cannot begin to grasp the implications nor repercussions from such an act. It woudl likely tear the world apart, something which we woudl no sooner attack the people. We would dismantle ourselves long before we allowed our actions to jeopardize humanity.

For now people will have to settle with what are known quantities, and continue to seek the unknown. Besides, answers do not lie in truth, they lie in the search for truth.

"Were a schoolboy given all the answers, woudl he truly learn anything?"

Perhaps you can show me how this doesn't all draw from the reptilian brain?

I will agree that this is most certainly not glamorous, and certainly is not an "enlightened" way of doing things, we have no delusions as such. But, it is what this world requires of us. We are not heroes nor legends. We are not the guardians you want; but the guardian you need.

And perhaps you could show me if in any way, relates to Elijahs prophecy if i have your precepts correct.

I will reiterate that I am no expert on Christianity, Judaism, Mormonism, or any other such system of beliefs. The only I can be held accountable to is that of my own, wish is a derivation in itself, of Buddhism. Although, to answer your poignant question, I will say this.

All history, spiritual or factual, is based off reality, based off of truth. Many such events have transpired and have yet to transpire according to sacred scripts. However, these should never be taken as literal meanings, many are analogous or symbolic in a sense. Much of what was, what is, and what will be is obscured by the limits of human knowledge and comprehension. We are apart of something much greater than anything ever imagined, it is not until we accept this realization, this revelation that we truly take a step closer to true spirituality.

You ask what I think of Elijahs Prophecy, I say this. This is one of the few more precise and accurate prophecies, however many have made it out to be what it is not, what he is not. Many may ask how come this foretold event has not yet come to pass, I say, because it has yet to happen. Not all is clear until foretold events have already transpired, and their true meaning is unveiled to all. It is only then we can say with all due certainty and without equivocation that we now know what was foretold, and what indeed became of it, has has transpired from it.

- Maban

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I shall look into it when I have time available to me.

- Maban

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Maban -

Is the future a foregone conclusion or is it something that is sort of 'hazy' with possibilities and likelihoods?

Science fiction sometimes uses a plot device whereby a character travels into the past and disturbs the 'timeline' or whatever.

Does our future change depending on what choices we make or is much of it predetermined?

Sorry for the vagueness. I'm not sure what/if you can tell us on this.

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It woudl appear that you and I are now on the same page.
In point of fact, i believe we are not only reading the same sentence, but the same words in unison. Impressive, to say the least.

- Maban

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Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by Maban

 

Is the future a foregone conclusion or is it something that is sort of 'hazy' with possibilities and likelihoods?

The future is akin to a tree. The roots our past, numerous in shape and form. The Trunk our collective present, singular, and finite. Our futures many, shapeless and perpetually forming, growing before us. As we determine our circumstance, as we progress our present, we formulate new futures, and with them new possibilities. Some things are inevitable, but many many more are not.

Science fiction sometimes uses a plot device whereby a character travels into the past and disturbs the 'timeline' or whatever.

Indeed this is a reoccurring trend, one which I will address in a U2U once you have read and responded to my initial one.

Does our future change depending on what choices we make or is much of it predetermined?

Our future is what we make of it. Those things deemed to be inevitable, those things which are deemed fixed, will be unmovable. Not by thew will of god nor the heavens, but by our will, our will that it cannot be willed to move. We change only that which we think we can, when our abilities and potential are far greater then we perspective.

- Maban

Thank you for answering my question,

Originally posted by Techsnow
Well I read through a lot of this thread and most of what Maban had to say and tbh I feel like I just read a bad novel.

What about it made you come to the conclusion as this? I'm interested to hear in more detail what you don't like or believe about it.

You should elaborate more. It would help us all out.

Originally posted by Maban
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Originally posted by emsed1
reply to post by Maban

 

Is the future a foregone conclusion or is it something that is sort of 'hazy' with possibilities and likelihoods?

The future is akin to a tree. The roots our past, numerous in shape and form. The Trunk our collective present, singular, and finite. Our futures many, shapeless and perpetually forming, growing before us. As we determine our circumstance, as we progress our present, we formulate new futures, and with them new possibilities. Some things are inevitable, but many many more are not.

Science fiction sometimes uses a plot device whereby a character travels into the past and disturbs the 'timeline' or whatever.

Indeed this is a reoccurring trend, one which I will address in a U2U once you have read and responded to my initial one.

Does our future change depending on what choices we make or is much of it predetermined?

Our future is what we make of it. Those things deemed to be inevitable, those things which are deemed fixed, will be unmovable. Not by thew will of god nor the heavens, but by our will, our will that it cannot be willed to move. We change only that which we think we can, when our abilities and potential are far greater then we perspective.

- Maban

What if people are going into the past and effecting our present but we don't see the instant change that it makes or maybe we see it like..............
.......Lets says somthign goes into past and does somthing and we feel/see/sense the reaction of that action as a natural disaster, war, storm, flood, virus outbreak.....
so in reality we see these things that just happen because things just happen but in reality they are the effect of the cause in the cause/effect relationship.

Not saying people can time travel but I keep my mind open so I know have the ability to have this thought.
Someone who is close-minded doesn't even have the ability to have this thought because it does not fit what they " know"......so they essentially stop that branch of knowledge preticular to that subject/idea/though from growing and expanding and then when it does that it means that they think they have found all there is to know about that.
We have the ability to create our own destiny's somewhat because we can control opening our mind and allowing these ideas in to formulate and mix with our previous thoughts in order to move foward.

Maban,

Would you kindly share your views on what Fear is?
This might be a trivial one for you but I'm still gonna risk asking it.
Through my life I noticed that processes/decisions influenced by fear
tend to end up ..imperfectly. Have you had same experiences?
How do you manage/handle your Fears?
I have some military background - never, not a single time was
this subject addressed properly, or in-depth. Are you trained for this?

Best regards.

Early social groups, that came together did not require governing, they were too busy surviving and working for the group to commit deviations that would require the will of the group to be imposed on the individual.

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Then what was the need for the Tribal Councils and Elders then? Isn't the truth of the matter that most early tribal councils were made up of the elders, and that this was a right due to their advancement in years. Basicaly saying, "you've made it this far so you must know what's best for the rest of us." In effect that is a form of governance, being that the average person in a tribe had no say in the decisions made or whether or not they would follow the decree of the council. Esentially giving you a Geriocracy (for all intent and purpose). Unless of course you include the best hunter or things of that nature.

Or maybe it starts to look similar to some Native American Tribal Councils where you had the elders and a Cheif, which was the end all and be all. A "Geriocratic Chiefdom?" Not that I have the answer, but I think that a return to Tribalism may well put us back into any form of Oligarchy, Aristocracy, Monarchy, insert any form of Despotism here "_____________." After all that was the natural path it took the first time around.

the other is based on the need to control the populace at large.

To some extent don't you feel that just about all leaders whether "Governments" or "Tribal Councils" (if you can see a differance) at some level or another have some particular need to control certain aspects of the populace? At the very least to ensure general order in their social structure.

One is based on natural order and natural meritocratic leadership,

A Meritocratic form of Governance may be less than desirable also? Yes, logically I would want the best at the helm. Yet, (slippery slope, I know) it starts to push in the direction of Eugenics and all that this train of thought gave us (is my concern). Don't get me wrong I abhorrer mediocrity but I think that if the only people that qualify for postion or title are those that excel in a given feild then we have done away with peoples choice by and large. In affect only allowing them to chose who excels, and not who they see fit to govern accourding to their mind.

Not being cute or trying to slamm you. I just wanted to poke at this notion a bit.




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In a way yes, in a way no. We often make sure one simply falls victim to their own misdeeds. We typically spread rumors and convince power people otherwise about decisions. We keep them wary of each other. Whenst I said "backstabbing" I did not mean in a physical sense, but more metaphorical. They back stab each other by making new deals, weaseling others out of money or power through slight of hand and secret negotiations.

I understand the metaphor, I mean by saying such and such screwed you over, that's the potential for a gang war which results in something like Iraq.

That is actually quite a complex situation, which has much history and politics involved. Something I admire about he Russians, they're not ones much for conspiracy. If they don't like you, they won't stab you in the back, they will just plainly stab you in the chest, after they've told you exactly what they intend to do. I'm not sure I woudl call it honor, but they make good blunt realists, something even I can come admire. That said, they keep good secrets, but they prize brute force or cleverness over deceit or misdirection.

- Maban

Yeah, I've heard about the Russian attitudes toward taking people out and how forward they are in it. I know South Ossetia was a USSR territory and Georgia has alledgedly carried out war crimes against the Ossetian people, making Russia get involved. But I would assume some of them are Remnants or NIA, right, after what Litvinenko said about Chechnya and the terrorist connections?

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I have mulled over your reply to my last questions and I have nothing more to say. My questions are exhausted and, more significantly, I feel our dialogue is complete. To be uncharacteristically succinct, we’re good.

Thank you for your time.

Goodbye and good luck.

KT

Originally posted by eventHorizon
Maban,

Would you kindly share your views on what Fear is?
This might be a trivial one for you but I'm still gonna risk asking it.
Through my life I noticed that processes/decisions influenced by fear
tend to end up ..imperfectly. Have you had same experiences?
How do you manage/handle your Fears?
I have some military background - never, not a single time was
this subject addressed properly, or in-depth. Are you trained for this?

Best regards.

I think Fear is one of the true sins. Fear originally was a genetically developed trait that would flood primitive man with neurotransmitters in a situation where he may have to fight for his life or escape as quickly as possible.

Fear is a tool used by those who try to exert their power and influence over you and in almost all cases results in 'imperfect' decisions.

I think the military does a disservice by brushing over the topic of fear in BCT.

Fear is powerful. If you can make your enemies afraid of you then you can exert power over them. If implied fear doesn't work then you use applied fear - or terror.

I don't think there is any way to completely eliminate it but there are ways to channel it.

The problem with fear is that at some point those you try to control learn that if they are no longer afraid then you have no power. An example is the suicide bomber. A man who is not afraid to die is a man who can't be conquered.

Imagine if the world's population awoke and decided as a whole that we will not fear those in power any more. What if we realized that this physical existence is only a tiny part of our true existence?

Some people see our physical existence as akin to 'hell'. Our bodies and minds are trapped in the painful limitation of physical existence. By that viewpoint and considering the worst that can be done to us by those in power is to end our physical life, then their power through fear diminishes.

What if death is a 'release' into an eternal paradise?

I don't know what it takes to get to that point, to let go of all fears, to refuse to let another manipulate you through threats of imminent harm, but I think it sure would be nice.

I found something that seems to relate in some strange way to many of the things we have talked about in this thread.

Quantum Photosynthesis

I don't know if any of you are nerds like me but this article really blew me away!

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What if people are going into the past and effecting our present but we don't see the instant change that it makes or maybe we see it like..............
.......Lets says somthign goes into past and does somthing and we feel/see/sense the reaction of that action as a natural disaster, war, storm, flood, virus outbreak.....
so in reality we see these things that just happen because things just happen but in reality they are the effect of the cause in the cause/effect relationship.

We still truly do not fully understand temporal mechanics. However, according to current theory this is a little "strange," like something from the quantum world where there are non-linear time lines.

According to modern quantum mechanics and temporal mechanics there is no "time line" but alternate universes, parallel universe. Each time a possible change is made in a universe others are created from that base universe, with essentially an infinite number since the beginning of time. In theory one could "slide" to another universe, but they would not be changing anything. Instead what you do has happened in that universe so nothing essentially changes, but the changes which do occur simply make more parallel universes. The trick is finding you way back to the right one. This theory prevents the grandfather paradox best, while still recognizing a sort of linear time, even though mathematics shows us that time has dualities, and should not be linear.

- Maban