Blackwater : Right-Wing Conservative America, Whether You Like It Or Not...

Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
This is of course a private military organization that is not answerable to the American public like the rest of the military and Government. This is because the rules have been changed on us and I am certain it was done somewhere within the regular laws with a "bait and switch" tactic as a "necessary" thing to be set-up in order to "secure democracy" because the politicians said so.

These are highly trained killers that answer to no one other than the Government, plain and simple. Do you get that? Answerable only to the Government. The Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine's are answerable to the American people if enough of them throw a hissy fit or threaten to oust a politician over some policy they promoted and or drafted.

This is a whole new military organization speaking metaphorically here in that it is only owned and answerable to the money that pays it's paychecks, whoever that may be. The Government controls it but we the citizens are footing the bill for it, somewhere.

[edit on 3-5-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

The people in blackwater are mainly ex special forces. And the people that go their are typically dissatisfied with the situations politics put them in. I have trained with blackwater and every person i have met in there would never turn on his country. As a highly trained profession would you rather make 50,000 a year and have no choice on what missions you get sent on or get 100,000 for entry level positions for a 6 month tour and get to choose whether you accept a mission or not. In 2007 I was sent on a covert mission in Africa where we (the US) launched tomohawks and 5in shells into countries which posed absolutely no threat to American citizens. If I had the choice I would of never gone there. I really hate to see blackwater members get painted in this light as everyone i've met has the best intentions for his country the same as American troops.

To the poster above who said blackwater got denied the facility in southern california, it did not matter. Socal is where I trained with them at. They simply "rent" out a facility instead of owning it. The worrisome part for me is blackwater was used during katrina to control rioting. Our troops are not allowed to be deployed within our own borders for civil unrest as per the constitution. Seems mercenaries were one hell of a loophole there. I seriously hope if blackwater ever got the call to put down civil unrest they would not only refuse the governments call, but oppose it.

reply to post by eikmun

Blackwater is not your average mercenary group and they have been hired to do direct combat missions. Also they now train US military forces. So saying they lack the training the military does is worrisome because the directly train the military in several key areas. Granted when Iraq kicked off they did start highering police which backfired. Police are trained in completely different manners than troops are and it shows on the combat field. Thats why gangs send in members to the military to come back and train the gangs, that way they have superior tactics to police and can overwhelm them.

I love the part phrase

Blackwater Worldwide
Blackwater USA in 1997 by Erik Prince and Al Clark. The company has a wide array of business divisions, subsidiaries, and spin-off corporations but the organization as a whole has aroused significant controversy.The Iraq War documents leak showed that Blackwater employees committed serious abuses in Iraq, including killing civilians.Altogether, the documents reveal fourteen separate shooting incidents involving Blackwater forces, which resulted in the deaths of ten civilians and the wounding of seven others, not including the Nisoor Square massacre that killed seventeen civilians. A third of the shootings occurred while Blackwater forces were guarding US diplomats.

I absolutely disagree. I am about as conservative as you can get and i don't support rouge organizations like blackwater.

Based on what I know, I believe i know the individual being interviewed. New Orleans was "intense" to say the least.

"This is a totally new thing to have guys like us working CONUS (Continental United States)," a heavily armed Blackwater mercenary told us as we stood on Bourbon Street in the French Quarter. "We're much better equipped to deal with the situation in Iraq."

Blackwater mercenaries are some of the most feared professional killers in the world and they are accustomed to operating without worry of legal consequences. Their presence on the streets of New Orleans should be a cause for serious concern for the remaining residents of the city and raises alarming questions about why the government would allow men trained to kill with impunity in places like Iraq and Afghanistan to operate here. Some of the men now patrolling the streets of New Orleans returned from Iraq as recently as two weeks ago.

Officially, Blackwater says its forces are in New Orleans to "join the Hurricane relief effort." A statement on the company's website, dated Sept. 1, advertises airlift services, security services and crowd control. The company, according to news reports, has since begun taking private contracts to guard hotels, businesses and other properties.

I haven't heard anything of this sort in our talks regarding N.O.

But what has not been publicly acknowledged is the claim, made to us by two Blackwater mercenaries, that they are actually engaged in general law enforcement activities including "securing neighborhoods" and "confronting criminals."

This however was a quite frequent topic. Usually with details that don't sound as nicely packaged as "securing neighborhoods" and "confronting criminals", though most often as a result of the "confrontation" with the "criminals".

Here is a hint. If it were not a national emergency, we would have seen the word "citizen" come up in place of "criminal".
But then again Blackwater would not have been there.

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Dwight D. Eisenhower exit speech on Jan.17,1961:




Not all conservatives are rabid...

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Blackwater is part of the Military Industrial Complex. It's not about Republican & Democrat.
Blackwater has been used by both parties, so don't get it twisted as a "Right-wing Radical Organization".
This is made clear by the fact that Blackwater continues to be used today in the Middle East.

Blackwater mercs can be found in every hot spot that the US Military is located - Egypt, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tunisia... the list goes on and on. They are contracted to do the dirty work that the US Military is not able to do under the rules of engagement. It's thought that they work hand in hand with the likes of the CIA and other covert agencies.

Thanks for the OP in bringing this up.

Because of "bad press" over the past few years, Blackwater has changed its name at least three times that I know of...you can't run from the truth forever!

I read that book, very good, and I like the author. I don't like Eric Prince, brainwashed billionaire choir boy who thinks he's fighting the dark ages crusades against the muslims.

Originally posted by filosophia
I read that book, very good, and I like the author. I don't like Eric Prince, brainwashed billionaire choir boy who thinks he's fighting the dark ages crusades against the muslims.

I know more about Blackwater than I do Eric Prince. He really does sound like the robotic crusader archetype for the brainwashed, doesn't he? Was he a former Navy Seal? I think I read that somewhere. Most of these operators are former special forces. Its scary to ponder how much latitude they now have as defense contractors, when they had very little oversight as special forces operators to begin with. Sounds like open season to me!!

When i was serving with the australian special forces I was involved in a tricky little firefight in which Blackwater mercs saved my arse from hot #, they are shadowy and very suspicious but all in all i give thanks to Blackwater boys that kept me alive. However, I am eager to know exactly how they new where my team was and what in gods name was it that made them put thier arse on the line to save mine.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Wanna here a secret? Conservatives don't like government. I can tell this first hand. No way on Earth that this is right wing, people misconstrue the image of a conservative alot.

Okay digle digle

reply to post by DimensionalDetective


Blackwater has no authority in the USA and cannot operate without authority from a government source. Here in the USA they are restricted to what they can and can not do. The same as Wackenhut or any other contractor. I know a blackwater instructor and the media has blown things out of proportion in many ways. They arent a bad bunch of guys. Most people dont know that during Katrina, Blackwater, not all, became sworn in as law enforcement officers to patrol the area.

very interesting.

DimensionalDetective
Starred and Flagged Friend..

People BETTER be paying attention to this company, because when the sh** hits the fan, they will likely be at the head of the class in cracking down on domestic dissent, and they don't have to play by the rules of law, just like our ruthless gov does not. Only these guys are mercs and killers.

I saw where they were recently denied a training camp in so-cal---Thank heavens for that.

These guys are bad news, big time.

I don't necessarily agree.

The people in Blackwater are quite often not like your normal police and military. They often come from units that recruit people who are more individualistic and free thinking.

Should "the government" decide to crackdown on domestic dissidents in a physical way - Blackwater will likely be full of people who are not having that. People who fight for freedom generally don't want to fight to end freedom unless they are brainwashed. Refer to my last paragraph to understand why the people in Blackwater are less likely to be brainwashed than other armed groups that receive federal funding.
However, that Chris Kyle book WAS full of propaganda...so who knows..?

SyrianAssassin
When i was serving with the australian special forces I was involved in a tricky little firefight in which Blackwater mercs saved my arse from hot #, they are shadowy and very suspicious but all in all i give thanks to Blackwater boys that kept me alive. However, I am eager to know exactly how they new where my team was and what in gods name was it that made them put thier arse on the line to save mine.

Because they are mysterious cool guy bad a$$es that actually will put their lives on the line for the lives of others. If they weren't, they wouldn't be in black water. Refer to the mysterious cool guy part to understand how they knew where you were.

(actually, they probably just happened to be operating in the same area, but the mysterious cool guy explanation is much cooler)

Maxmars
I love the part where the phrase ... "can readily be expanded to supplying brigade-sized forces for humanitarian purposes, peacekeeping and low-level conflict." comes up!

When your business is training to kill, or kill those your against, the word 'humanitarian' should not be in your vocabulary.

By the way, the fact that this is an 'unauthorized' book doesn't make it any less an exercise in butt-kissing the new right-wing boy toys.

LOL. You think domestic military is "right wing?"