What happened to the people on the planes on 9/11?

reply to post by Lightworth


Comments and/or photos of Flight 77/Flight 93 wreckage

www.911myths.com...

www.spiegel.de...

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Link to Ms. Foreman's story...

blogs.scripps.com...

and if that link doesnt work....

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Funny....Willie Brown doesnt say it was Condie.....

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reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


I'm not sure it is important for him to confirm who it was, though it would be nice, the one thing you can't deny is he was warned.
He does say his security people were warned for him not to fly that day. Who do you think warned him? Maybe the tooth fairy???

As for the flight 93 landing at Cleveland airport, there were more people reporting the flight landing there than just one reporter, including passengers that were at the airport.

It has long been though by many that all of the passengers were loaded onto the one plane, flight 93, then it was reported that flight 93 landed at Cleveland airport, read this news release I found stating that the plane that landed at Cleveland was thought to have 200 passengers aboard a plane that was carrying a bomb.

Here is the strange thing, the report says the passengers did not disembark, they were still on a plane believed to have a bomb on board. Here is the link to the news article.

www.newsnet5.com...

whats funny to me is Bush's job that day. Cheney's in the bunker giving out commands, doing who knows what and Bush is sent to the elementary school to read a story and he still doesn't even get that right and sits there scared out of his mind with the book upside down. then later tells the media he saw the first tower get hit when he was really inside with the children when the first tower was hit.

We got the bin laden family being allowed to fly home when everyone else was grounded. We got a mysterious plane above washington dc, restricted airspace during when everyone was grounded and that plane is not in the official story and to this day theyve never gave any kind of explanation for it.

Flight 93 was communicating with Cleveland. Other planes in the area of 93 saw Flight 93 in the air. Flight 93 said there was a bomb on board. Flight 93 then proceeded to ..Cloak itself? ... Radar no longer picked up Flight 93 and it proceeded to start to turn. Another airline saw it and claimed it was now headed directly towards them. Air Traffic control can still no longer see Flight 93. Then a woman, new in the recorded conversation says to the Flight that reported seeing 93 "do you see any activity to your right?' ... like smoke?" a little bit later he confirms, yes I do see smoke. It looks like a puff of grey smoke. " He did not see the plane go down.
So, Supposedly it was chaos on Flight 93 but they manage to cloak the plane from air traffic control and then do a turn around and then they disappear and some lady comes in from nowhere telling the pilots where the look for the crash site and low and behold, smoke!
But no plane.(or fire)

Remember, air traffic control lost their track on them but they were still visible to another flight in the air. How did that woman know where to look? Some kinda intuition? Gimme a break.

Dont even get me started on the 'crash site' that looks like a small bomb hit the surface. No luggage, no body parts (confirmed by the coroner on hand) no plane wreckage, nothing bigger then a 'phone book'. have you seen Crashes of 757s?? Lots of body parts, plane parts and luggage. Planes dont vaporize on impact. Thats why the conspiracy of it being shot down came in. and the range (7 miles or so) that the debris was scattered. Totally unlike a plane that crashes, which should only scatter about a mile or so.

But it wasnt shot down either. One eye wtiness said the 'plane' (for lack of a better word she says) went directly overhead of her and wasnt nearly as big as a 757, that it flew up over the trees, banked a turn, and crashed behind them. Exactly where the site actually was. She claimed it was as low as the power lines, then it goes up over the trees to then dive and crash. she said the FBI questioned her and kept telling her what she saw was a 757 and she kept saying it wasnt.

Did the plane land in Cleveland along with the Delta flight? Did United confirm that Flight 93 had landed in Cleveland? Why did the whole Cleveland airport get shut down due to a bomb threat? Thats a pretty convenient coincidence. One anonymous source claimed the people in the airport were forced to leave on foot and if they tried to leave in a car they could be shot. what is that about?
Did they claim that Delta evacuated a couple hundred people but Delta only had 60 passengers and United 93 had 200?
Did a witness claim to see United 93 land in Cleveland?

reply to post by goose


Yes, he was warned to be careful, not to cancel his flight. Its an established fact that the State Department had issued a travel advisory...for the Far East. Why his security people (and it was HIS security people, not the Federal Government) that warned him to be careful.

As for the Cleveland story, you are right, more than just that one reporter, reported it. And if you bother to check, EVERY ONE of those stories all go back to the SAME Associated Press bulletin that the AP pulled off of its wire just as soon as they realized it was wrong and it was Delta 1989 that had landed, NOT United 93.

Unfortunately, when I try to "quote" dumble's last post, ATS wont let me...so Ill address a couple of his inaccuracies.

The Bin Laden family did not leave the US until after the no-fly orders were lifted. Yes, they were picked up and gathered in one spot in the days after 9/11, so the FBI would have the chance to interview them. Only then, were they allowed to leave the country, AFTER flights were allowed to resume.

Half the stuff posted about Flight 93 was inaccurate, the largest pieces of Flight 93 left were the mangled hulks that used to be the engines. According the witnesses first on the scene there was clothing hanging from some of the trees. After the search was completed, it was estimated that about 90-95% of the aircraft was recovered.

Good grief, doesnt anyone do any research anymore...or do they just pull crap off of conspiracy sites?

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by goose

 

Yes, he was warned to be careful, not to cancel his flight. Its an established fact that the State Department had issued a travel advisory...for the Far East. Why his security people (and it was HIS security people, not the Federal Government) that warned him to be careful.

As for the Cleveland story, you are right, more than just that one reporter, reported it. And if you bother to check, EVERY ONE of those stories all go back to the SAME Associated Press bulletin that the AP pulled off of its wire just as soon as they realized it was wrong and it was Delta 1989 that had landed, NOT United 93.

So they released a travel advisery for the far east, funny Mayor Willie Brown's flight was to New York. There is no mention of him traveling any further than New York.

Well I went to the state department website and searched for travel alerts and warnings for Sept. 2001 and could not find any of either. But, I do agree someone got some warnings since Newsweek reported many of the top brass at the Pentagon had canceled flight plans for that day. So if no warnings were released to the Joe Q Public for that day, where did all of these warnings come from that caused so many to cancel their plans?

Whether you believe the official story or not, it is clear that someone knew something was up and did not notify the American public, many people in a position to know, took the necessary measures to protect themselves and left the American public unaware and unprotected.

As for the flight 93 Cleveland Airport mystery that is still being investigated and it is true it could be a mistake, but you do have the first report coming from a Mayor of the city and the journalist who reported it saying it came from the Associated Press. At any rate it does warrant investigation. See this link on how far one reporter has taken that investigation.
www.newswithviews.com...

www.infowars.net...

Mike McCarron, assistant deputy director at SFO, said the Federal Aviation Administration "routinely" issues security notices about possible threats. He said two or three such notices have been received in the past couple of months, but none in recent days. – San Francisco Chronicle 9/12/2001

www.prisonplanet.com...

Top Pentagon officials were warned and cancelled flights on September 10th

NEWSWEEK has learned that the state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip.

Pentagon officials cancelled September 11 flying plans day before

On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns.

www.newswithviews.com...
Mayor White's first press release which identified the plane as Flight 93 was withdrawn; see here. In an effort to find out why this news item was withdrawn, people contacted Liz Foreman who was responsible for posting this on behalf of WCPO. Ms. Foreman provided a response, see here. Apparently there are those who choose to believe she is lying. Without her sworn testimony under oath in some forum, readers will have to decide if she is being honest in her explanation of the chaos of the day. She states the news came from AP (Associated Press), but unless someone has some pull, it would be very difficult to track down that lead.

[edit on 9-5-2008 by goose]

Originally posted by goose

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by goose

 

Yes, he was warned to be careful, not to cancel his flight. Its an established fact that the State Department had issued a travel advisory...for the Far East. Why his security people (and it was HIS security people, not the Federal Government) that warned him to be careful.

As for the Cleveland story, you are right, more than just that one reporter, reported it. And if you bother to check, EVERY ONE of those stories all go back to the SAME Associated Press bulletin that the AP pulled off of its wire just as soon as they realized it was wrong and it was Delta 1989 that had landed, NOT United 93.

So they released a travel advisery for the far east, funny Mayor Willie Brown's flight was to New York. There is no mention of him traveling any further than New York.

Well I went to the state department website and searched for travel alerts and warnings for Sept. 2001 and could not find any of either. But, I do agree someone got some warnings since Newsweek reported many of the top brass at the Pentagon had canceled flight plans for that day. So if no warnings were released to the Joe Q Public for that day, where did all of these warnings come from that caused so many to cancel their plans?

Whether you believe the official story or not, it is clear that someone knew something was up and did not notify the American public, many people in a position to know, took the necessary measures to protect themselves and left the American public unaware and unprotected.

As for the flight 93 Cleveland Airport mystery that is still being investigated and it is true it could be a mistake, but you do have the first report coming from a Mayor of the city and the journalist who reported it saying it came from the Associated Press. At any rate it does warrant investigation. See this link on how far one reporter has taken that investigation.
www.newswithviews.com...

www.infowars.net...

Mike McCarron, assistant deputy director at SFO, said the Federal Aviation Administration "routinely" issues security notices about possible threats. He said two or three such notices have been received in the past couple of months, but none in recent days. – San Francisco Chronicle 9/12/2001

www.prisonplanet.com...

Top Pentagon officials were warned and cancelled flights on September 10th

NEWSWEEK has learned that the state of alert had been high during the past two weeks, and a particularly urgent warning may have been received the night before the attacks, causing some top Pentagon brass to cancel a trip.

Pentagon officials cancelled September 11 flying plans day before

On Sept. 10, NEWSWEEK has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns.

www.newswithviews.com...
Mayor White's first press release which identified the plane as Flight 93 was withdrawn; see here. In an effort to find out why this news item was withdrawn, people contacted Liz Foreman who was responsible for posting this on behalf of WCPO. Ms. Foreman provided a response, see here. Apparently there are those who choose to believe she is lying. Without her sworn testimony under oath in some forum, readers will have to decide if she is being honest in her explanation of the chaos of the day. She states the news came from AP (Associated Press), but unless someone has some pull, it would be very difficult to track down that lead.

[edit on 9-5-2008 by goose]

Investigated by who? AP admitted their bad report long ago. And long ago, it was discovered that NASA had a KC-135 that had to land in Cleveland (which created confusion). There is NOTHING to investigate, Cleveland was figured out long ago.

And yes, Newsweek had a "scoop" that "top" Pentagon officials cancelled a trip. One problem, absolutely NO evidence exists of any kind that any trips outside of the Far East were cancelled, PRIOR to the hijacked airliners slamming into their targets.

And once again, Willie himself says he was told to be careful...not to cancel his trip.

And again who warned him, the state department did not issue any warnings about flying in the US, Mayor Willie Brown was headed to New York.

Who would take the time to pick up a phone and call his security personnel and warn him to be careful about flying on 9/11/01? Shouldn't that fact alone be investigated? Who made that call and why? Your idea that it was because of the far east warnings just don't make sense when you know his destination was New York.

Any why if it was due to the far east warnings, be so secretive about the whole thing? Even before 911, I am sure security personnel would have had the skills required to ask who was on the other end of the line, and why the mayor should be careful, and was this some kind of threat?

If the danger was strong enough to warn the good Mayor about flying to New York, then again why not warn everyone? Who picked up the phone and made that call and made sure that the Mayor knew to be careful about his flight to New York?

reply to post by Oouthere


No its not enough...no steel building contructed like the towers has ever been hit like that...second where do you people get that there were no engine parts....there were engine parts at the Pentagon that matched perfectly to the Rolls Royse engine used on 757s....and then the rest of the MATCHING wreakage....You people look through a prism of conspirancy because that is what you want to see...

reply to post by dumbeddown

reply to post by dumbeddown


Perhaps, the commercial planes were hijacked by these said men who were pawns in the big picture only later to be blown out of the sky. NORAD had 80 minutes of lost time to account for these planes.

But of course, they were real people who lost their lives that day. I remember transcripts of people calling loved ones saying they were flying low, they saw buildings, then the calls dropped. Horrific.

But to fantasize that they are still alive somewhere is dishonoring their experience and disrespectful to their survivors.

Originally posted by dumbeddown
I believe they were flown to an undisclosed location where they are still at today, or where they were killed in secret... Perhaps underground. I truly believe the people in those planes did not die on those planes that day. If we located them we could blow this thing wide open and save this Country and hopefully those lost people.

I think this whole thing is an interesting theory. However, I still feel that it is only a theory. I do not believe the official story 100 %, but I won't be convinced until experts actually agree on another version. A lot of experts can have each of their opinions, but there needs to be one single well-documented story left that connects all of the theories before I will consider it the truth.

What I find a little peculiar is that you believe that if we "blow this thing wide open", the country will be saved. I think this is one of the biggest reasons why nobody has gone deep into it and unravelled the whole story. If what you're saying is so clear to see as you believe it is, then I'm surprised nobody has the guts to prove it in real life apart from writing a single article or two to clear up a minimum of the mystery. The thing is, the country won't be saved if this is ever solved as the opposite of the official story. If it turns out that this was in fact an inside job, that everything was set up by Americans and that the victims were killed by their own countrymen, the country will most likely be more lost than ever.

To whom it may concern,
   Last night I sent this letter to a Florida newspaper urging them not to oppose Wexler's impeachment efforts.  I also dropped a copy of it to the Honorable Senator Karen S. Johnson of Phoenix, Az.  News has it that she is interested in getting to the truth behind what happened.  I have told many many people about this horrific experience starting moments after I regained my composure to report it to my roommate on September 6, 2001.  I am seriously considering making a small booklet out of it and passing it around to raise awareness of the diabolical nature of what was done on that fateful day.  I feel it is my unspoken, but understood duty to do this for the many souls who stood on the brink and perished amid awful fears and unnamed terrors on that sunny morning.  It would also be great if you could give me any feedback.  God bless you. MEM
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Dear Sun-Sentinel,

Please do not oppose attempts to hold impeachment hearings for President Bush and Vice President Cheney.  It is my hope that you will ponder what I am about to say and then reach your own conclusions.  This letter is partly from my own experience and totally from my sense of doing what is true and right and what is for the greatest good for the greatest number of people.  What  happened to me is most definitely for a reason and if I fail to KEEP telling others, I thwart that purpose.  What I relate to you is exactly what I have told friends, colleagues and many state senators and representatives of the State of Colorado.  Since I work at the state capitol, it gives me an opportunity to share things with officials who have offices there.  I have been reprimanded by my senior supervisor because what I said really upset some unnamed people.  I was told to only say, "Hi" or "Hello" and "Good day" and leave it at that. 
Here's what I told them:  Five days before 9/11/2001, just after noon, I was praying on my knees about my own little life's problems.  Afterward I arose, looked at my watch to see how long I had to catch a quick nap before I needed to be at work.  I had a couple of hours.  I laid myself down diagonally across my bed and lowered myself down to the pillow.  But as soon as the tip of my nose touched the pillow I was falling at a high speed FACING UP.  And I was not in my bedroom either!  I didn't know where I was!  I looked around--but there was no point of reference--just solid blackness.  It sounded like I was in a violent wind tunnel and I could feel the pressure of wind pushing me up whilst the awful force of gravity was pulling me down.  I was bamboozled and panicked.  I felt as if I weighed a ton and I flipped myself over to see where I was falling.
  When I was flipped, I was facing down and it was solid black too--for a split second.  Then, in the dark appeared a bright orange dot--the size of a pinhead.  When it got bigger I though it was flat.  I literally thought it was the lake of fire the Bible talks about!  I got scared beyond comprehension!!!  It seemed like my eyes were literally bulging out of my head as I was on my way down to this fiery thing.   I screamed at the top of my longs.  It seemed like both my lungs were extending out of my mouth I was screaming so hard!  But as the thing got bigger and was the size of a pancake I saw it had bumps coming out of the middle and moving out towards the edges!  It looked just like the mushroom of a nuclear explosion!!!  The thought instantly came to my mind: "I'm in the world's BIGGEST chimney!!!!"  I knew I could not be there--but I was there.   I could see the darkness.  I felt "solid" like I was there!  I could feel the wind trying to push me up.  I could feel the sinking feeling of gravity pulling me down.   I could see the fire ball.  I could hear the noise of wind.  For all practical purpose I was there--wherever "there" was.  One second I was in Denver.  And in another second I was falling in this "chimney" that I perceived was of an UNGODLY height!  it seemed too horrible to be real--but I had to do something fast!  I HAD to get the eyes of my body opened before I got killed.  I fought to get my God-forsaken eyes opened--it seemed all the harder because I was squeezing them shut from terror!  But I won!  I won!  As soon as my eyes popped opened I was face down on the pillow.  I immediately jettisoned myself backwards off the bed and landed on the floor--on my hands and knees!  I was deliriously and and furiously and ferociously angry with God!!!  I rose up and struck the mattress with my right tightly clenched fist with every ounce of strength I had--and I screamed at God: "Don't you do THAT to me!!!!"  I jumped up and ran around in a circle.  I was astonished to the point that I felt "hollow" inside.  I thought I was even going to collapse and die right then and there!  When I came to my senses  and realized something so pathetic could happen to me without me even having to go anywhere!  It was sobering--to say the least. I apologized to God for striking out against him and raising my voice. 
   And I immediately ran over and told my roommate what had happened.  The only thing I knew, I knew it intuitively--without knowing how I knew it.  I knew I was in a manmade object--like a chimney.  And I knew it was awfully tall.  And I knew that the fireball came from the bottom.  That's all I knew.  I didn't know where this building was or why there was a nuclear fireball in it.  It was just so pathetic that I believed I could have easily died and they would have found me dead from natural causes.    Now listen to this:I am a Republican.  I pride myself in being objective, analytical and critical.  I hate conspiracies and rumors. So when a few days later the WTC event happened, of course I was shocked, but I did not connect it with anything, because I did not know what to think.  The thing that surprised me most, though, was how TALL the towers were.  I had worked in mutual funds for 6 years in the 90's as a file clerk and we used to get visitors from the WTC.  But, believe it or not, I had NO IDEA what the World Trade Center buildings looked like.  I just didn't.  I was horrified at the height of these structures and amused that something so famous was somehow out of my knowledge.  Anyway, a few days later I was watching the news and they showed a clip of the towers smoking.  They looked exactly like chimneys!!  That's when my vision came back to mind.  And I started really thinking....Gosh!  Is it possible that I was in one of those buildings even though it hadn't even happened yet!!???  As time went by, I became convinced of it.  Because what happened was "REAL" to me.  Of course I could not prove it...but still it was real.  I could not and cannot explain it. . .but still it was real. 
    Now, I voted for Bush TWICE.  And when Michael Moore's Fahrenheit movie came out, I scoffed and refused to go see it.  I kept saying, "Call a cigar a cigar."  It was my way of saying, Reject conspiracies.  Just the facts mam, sir.  I heard three rumors.  Each seemed stupid, silly or ridiculous to me.  One said somebody or some people slid all the way down on the side of the WTC like it was a sliding board.  Yeah, right!  Another rumor said Satan's face could be seen in the billowing smoke clouds. (Uh, huh! Uh, oh! )   Still another rumor said the Jewish employees of the WTC were told not to come to work that day. I did not know that the new owner of the towers was Jewish (and, I'm told dual citizenship in Israel).  I did not know they arrested Israelis (200 of them) and sent them back to Israel without charging them with anything.  So I rejected these tales out of hand--remember, Call a cigar a cigar?  I took the U.S. government's explanation of what happened, hook, line and sinker.  I also heard Bush was at an elementary school and sat there and did nothing when told what was going on.  Still, I voted for him come election time.
   Now, in 2005, towards the end of summer, I was at a large bookstore.  I was going up to the third story when, at the top facing the stairs, there was a book with an awful title, Eric Hufschmid's,"PAINFUL QUESTIONS ABOUT 911"  I walked over to it, but was afraid to touch it.  I hovered around it like a moth around a flickering flame.  Something inside me was screaming, Open it!  Open it!  But part of me was saying, NO!  No, you don't want to know what he is going to say!
   But I reasoned that I could as easily put it down as I had picked it up if it was full of BS, you know.  And, besides, I'm objective, right?  If there is another side to the story, why not see both sides of the story?  So I opened it...with misgivings.  Oh boy!  As soon as I started reading about the towers all going down in their footprints at or under 10 seconds flat, my heart began to sink like a stone in water!  I got weak and I could feel tears welling into my eyes.  The idea that it was an inside job was a twist that was worse than the idea that someone else did it to us!  I went over and sat on a couch and read a little more.  Molten pools of steel long after 911.  The author pointed out that kerosene could not generate enough energy to create molten pools of steel--not even for a day,let alone months!  I was in shock.  I had to put this book down and get over to BlockBuster's.  I suddenly wanted to see Michael Moore's film--for ONE reason:  I wanted to intuit Bush's reaction when he was told.  In myself, I knew that I would be able to tell if this was news to him, or if he already knew.  I got home and popped the DVD in.  When Bush was told...oh God!  Oh God! Oh God!!!   I started to cry!   He knew already!  I knew he knew.  He knew already. It was ONLY a 'progress report'.  He was deliberately wasting time.  I was devastated.  Everything that had happened to me that seemed like an isolated paranormal experience came together to confirm that the debacle was a highly planned domestic war game or ruse of some diabolical sort.  And for me, for the first time, under the duress of the surprise I showed belligerant impiety towards God.  I blamed the perpetrators for that.  But it all led me into focused research into the 911 incidents.  No bodies on the lawn of the Pentegon.  No bodies in the Shanksville, PA field--no plane either.  The report by the Cleveland Mayor that flight 93 had 200 people on it when it landed at Cleveland Hopkins International airport and that the people were led off the plane into the NASA Hangar--but never came out. And 93 flew back east WITHOUT the people.  The new owner of the WTC  'blurting on a PBS intrerview that they decided to PULL the 7 building at 5:20 that evening "and we watched it go down."  (Check this out on YouTube)  A 47 story building cannot be rigged in a mere 5 hours.  It takes weeks, even months to put the charges in the right places to make the building fall right.  This means that serious preplanning and preparations took place. FEMA even slipped and stated that they flew into NYC on the 10th!! Then there is the Secretary of Transportation's testimony that Cheney did a "standdown" order on whatever it was that was coming into the Pentegon (Also on YouTube, Google Norman Mineta/ Cheney Stand down).
   Well....I better wrap this up.  What I'm basically getting at is I believe an investigation into the extent of deception by this administration is totally in order.  Bush and Cheney have refused to testify under oath about their doings on 911.  Bush has refused to talk about what he was doing unless Cheney is in the room with him.  This all smells entirely too suspicious to me.  If nothing was done wrong, fine.  But if there is a trail of complicity, don't we need to get to the bottom of that?  Nothing worse has ever happened on our soil than what happened in 2001.  The half has not been told.  IF you would, reference "911pressfortruth.com."  Please ponder it.  And then draw your own conclusions.  Thanks for taking the time to read and consider.




Anonymous
Denver, CO

Originally posted by Breifne
reply to post by SteveR

 

What about those on the highway that saw something else - the Hotel film must have! This is thee most important evidence. Was there not several vehicles and lamp posts damaged by the 'craft' on that highway?

Where are they?

Brei

FBI has 81 tapes of Pentagon, withheld due to "Nat'l Security"
Micheal Moore is demanding to see them, may mention this in his next 9/11 film coming soon.

Originally posted by Lightworth
I'd like to see the "plenty of plane wreckage found." Can someone kindly point me in the direction of such convincing evidence? Does anyone have a copy of the NIST Report who can pinpoint where they supposedly used the word "vaporized" in describing either the Pentagon or Shanksville, PA planes or both? Anyone with at least half a brain knows it's not possible for anything to vaporize so completely even in a high speed impact.

[edit on 7-5-2008 by Lightworth]

The wingspan impact is obvious in this photo crater. Here is the funny lol part. Google earth sat photo from 1999 clearly shows the shanksville wingspan slit already there. The round hole in center of slit was not in that old google photo. Gov't is saying that the plane nose dived into a slit hole, and wings disappeared into this slit. Only the fuselage impact changed the 1999 photo adding a hole in center of prior slit. Many believe a plane crashed there long ago and left an imprint, perfect area to stage a crash impact. However this prior slit did not show fuselage hole, maybe a Delta winged Stealth crashed there ?.........lol.

An impact on top of prior impact or into old slit is what you are left with, if you believe official story that bodies were swallowed up in 1999 google earth slit hole of exact same length as 2001 photo. FEMA were on scene quick, they saw no sign of blood, bodies, samsonite luggage, Atta indestructable ID, ect.

This was only site to recover black box ? Strange . WTC7 was not affected by fuel from planes, no plane hit, however molten steel in basement as well. Where is burning grass fire ? Pilot dump his fuel completely ? Video of smoke plume is weak fireworks show compared to other impact fireballs, a cesna crash maybe ? Video seems staged, smoke is behind a barn, no visual on ground of fireball. Smoke plume quickly disappears like cigar puff.

reply to post by dumbeddown


United Airlines Flight 93 supposedly nosedived straight into the ground like this, into a slit hole same length as supposed wingspan impact, google earth shows slit was there long before 2001, hole was made after:

Here is the weak smoke plume, no ground visual. Straw Grass seems to self extinguish, supposedly just too wet for fuel fire ? How long did the other impacts burn w/o grass ?

A metal scrap yard is located a whole 4 blocks from impact crater......hmmmm.

The engine submerged partly in the dirt hole fits perfectly in a backhoe scoop...........hmmmm.


(Flight 93 was equipped with two Pratt & Whitney PW2037 engines. Photo source: clemson.edu)