What happened to the people on the planes on 9/11?

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by ULTIMA1

 

I assume NIST=NTSB?

Where any bodies from the plane positively identified? Sorry, I did not read the 9-11 commision report so I am not aware of any details.

I did watch CNN and BBC for a few days but they didn't say much other than al-queda did this and al-queda did that. How the heck did they know al-queda was responsible several hours after the incidents? Seems fishy to me.

Well they had the video of the terrorists boarding the plane from security cameras in the airport. Once they identified them they traced them back to being members of AlQueda.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Well they had the video of the terrorists boarding the plane from security cameras in the airport. Once they identified them they traced them back to being members of AlQueda.

That doesn't say much. They could grab a few stills of muslim-looking men and claim they belong to al-queda. Who will say otherwise?!

The same happened in the london bombings. They grab a few "muslims" from the video and claim they are responsible. The fact of the matter is the evidence in every case seems rushed almost like they planned everything in advance.

Normally a solid investigation takes months, not a few days or a few hours.

For anyone making the argument that DNA would be impossible to recover, please see this article. they identified remains from the Columbia orbiter, that crashed from 39 miles above the earth and made re-entry they hit over 3000 degrees

www.foxnews.com...

Some remains from the seven-member crew of the space shuttle Columbia have been recovered in rural east Texas, and forensics experts think the astronauts could be genetically identified despite the orbiter's disintegration 39 miles overhead.

On Saturday, Columbia's crew had no chance of surviving after the shuttle broke up at 207,135 feet above Earth. The spacecraft was exposed to re-entry temperatures of 3,000 degrees while traveling at 12,500 mph, or 18 times the speed of sound.

also see this for update, where it is pointed out that the Ireali astronaut's remains have been identified

news.bbc.co.uk...

Nasa has identified the remains of Israeli astronaut Ilan Ramon, as teams from the US space agency travel to California and Arizona to investigate reports of debris from Columbia landing there.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Well there is evidence to support the official story.

Actually there is very little actual evidnece to support the official story.

Their are reports that debate how the towers feel, indluding that fact that no steel building has ever collapsed from fire.

NIST never recovered any steel from building 7 for testing.

Their are no official reports thsat match any of the aircraft parts to any of the 9/11 planes.

Just to name a few things that are missing from the official story.


[edit on 3-5-2008 by ULTIMA1]

reply to post by goose



The space shuttle is a little less material than the world trade center and all its contents.

Ok figuring out who did it is not that hard. Its called Intelligence. You keep records on people who are a threat. When you have a plane blow up and then find one of the passengers was one of these people its not a leap to think he might have done it. As far as a few hours... there was speculation after a few hours. The actual investigation took months.

But really i am just done. Lets just agree to disagree.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Well they had the video of the terrorists boarding the plane from security cameras in the airport. Once they identified them they traced them back to being members of AlQueda.

Most of the hijackers from FLight 77 were not identified by DNA but by a process of elimination.
www.arlingtoncemetery.net...

The remains of the five hijackers have been identified through a process of exclusion, as they did not match DNA samples contributed by family members of all 183 victims who died at the site.

Originally posted by goose
For anyone making the argument that DNA would be impossible to recover, please see this article.

You should read the following from the NIST DNA experts.
www.nist.gov...

Due to the nature of the World Trade Center disaster, it quickly became evident that traditional methods for performing DNA typing were not likely to be fully successful in identifying all of the recovered remains. Traditional DNA ID methods depend on the presence of long, intact segments of DNA in order to accurately type the sample. The DNA in many of the samples recovered in this situation were so fragmented that these standard methods were ineffective.

In early November 2001, Dr. Robert Shaler, the director of the WTC DNA identification effort, contacted me and asked if I would be willing to develop some new DNA tests to help in the identification effort. I agreed to fast track our research efforts over the next several months and produce some test materials for his laboratory to try by January 2002.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Most of the hijackers from FLight 77 were not identified by DNA but by a process of elimination.

You are incorrect. The FBI did DNA testing and positively identified at least 2 of the hijackers:

The only two brothers who died at the Pentagon on 9/11 were hijackers Nawaf and Salem al-Hamzi. Remains of two brothers were identified by DNA: "The DNA results strengthened the hypothesis that two of the terrorists were brothers, as indicated by other evidence. Two of the terrorist STR profiles aboard the AA Flight 77 gave a sibling index greater than 500. To further test the hypothesis of maternal relatedness, AFDIL sequenced the HVI and HVII regions of mtDNA for these individuals. The sequences generated did match in HVI and HVII, which is consistent with a maternal relationship between the two men.

This has been discussed on the thread talking about Pentagon DNA.

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reply to post by ULTIMA1


Really I am not trying to debate the DNA issue, just pointing out that they can recover DNA from as bad or worse an incident and identify those remains.

Originally posted by Disclosed
Your link discusses DNA testing for the WTC victims. He was talking about flight 77. Unless you believe flight 77 hit the WTC towers.

You really should learn to read psot.

I answered the following post about recovering DNA.

Originally posted by goose
For anyone making the argument that DNA would be impossible to recover, please see this article.

Sorry my bad, I thought the post was about whether they could recover remains from such an incident where the bodies would be burned and dismembered and disintegrated by the impact.

Originally posted by Disclosed
You are incorrect. The FBI did DNA testing and positively identified at least 2 of the hijackers:

You are so wrong again its getting funnny to read your post,, not only can you not read but you cannot count. There were 5 hijackers on Flight 77 ONLY 2 were identified.

THAT MEANS MOST OF THE HIJACKERS WERE NOT IDENTIFIED.

Originally posted by goose
Really I am not trying to debate the DNA issue, just pointing out that they can recover DNA from as bad or worse an incident and identify those remains.

Please read:

" Due to the nature of the World Trade Center disaster, it quickly became evident that traditional methods for performing DNA typing were not likely to be fully successful in identifying all of the recovered remains. Traditional DNA ID methods depend on the presence of long, intact segments of DNA in order to accurately type the sample. The DNA in many of the samples recovered in this situation were so fragmented that these standard methods were ineffective.

In early November 2001, Dr. Robert Shaler, the director of the WTC DNA identification effort, contacted me and asked if I would be willing to develop some new DNA tests to help in the identification effort. I agreed to fast track our research efforts over the next several months and produce some test materials for his laboratory to try by January 2002."

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by Disclosed
You are incorrect. The FBI did DNA testing and positively identified at least 2 of the hijackers:

There were 5 hijackers on Flight 77 ONLY 2 were identified.

THAT MEANS MOST OF THE HIJACKERS WERE NOT IDENTIFIED.

Your own link said they identified the 5 terrorists by exclusion. I showed 2 positively identified by DNA by the FBI.

Why do you say they werent identified if your own link says they were identified?

Do you mean they did not do DNA testing to identifiy the other 3 terrorists? What arey ou trying to say ULTIMA1?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
" Due to the nature of the World Trade Center disaster, it quickly became evident that traditional methods for performing DNA typing were not likely to be fully successful in identifying all of the recovered remains. Traditional DNA ID methods depend on the presence of long, intact segments of DNA in order to accurately type the sample. The DNA in many of the samples recovered in this situation were so fragmented that these standard methods were ineffective.

In early November 2001, Dr. Robert Shaler, the director of the WTC DNA identification effort, contacted me and asked if I would be willing to develop some new DNA tests to help in the identification effort. I agreed to fast track our research efforts over the next several months and produce some test materials for his laboratory to try by January 2002."

...and with that new technique, they still havent identified 40% of the WTC victims?

Originally posted by Disclosed
Why do you say they werent identified if your own link says they were identified?

Do you mean they did not do DNA testing to identifiy the other 3 terrorists?

I am sorry, i keep forgetting how confused and immature you are.

1. My link states the hijackers were idintified (at the time) by exclusion. That means NOT FROM DNA, just assuming they were the hijackers because no other DNA matched theirs.

2. We have no DNA evdence for the other 3 hijackers on Flight 77.

So to make this simple. We have no DNA evidence that all the hijackers are dead.

Originally posted by Disclosed
...and with that new technique, they still havent identified 40% of the WTC victims?

Or all the hijackers, correct ?

this thread wants to know what happened to all the people on those planes that were hijacked on 9-11.... Its the month of May now.. you should really can the april fools jokes.. there in really bad taste too.. I mean really bad.. like shameful.... why if I could.. Id .... not funny.. not... no..

Originally posted by philjwolf
Its the month of May now.. you should really can the april fools jokes.. there in really bad taste too.. I mean really bad.. like shameful.... why if I could.. Id .... not funny.. not... no..

Yes i agree, people should stop posting the official story. It really is a joke and in bad taste.

To the OP I just read your thread and I have often wondered the same thing. Now I know I am going to get ridiculed for this but this is what I think. There is an underground tunnel system, if indeed they were taken to NASA HQ's then it is likely they were then transported underground. I don't know if anyone else has suggested this before but I believe that they would have been transported to DIA.