Bees vanish- all life has 4 yrs to live on Earth

Originally posted by rikriley
You say this thread bugs you are you saying honey bees are bugs?

No. I never said anything resembling that.

This was a statement thought to be said by Einstein, but no proof has been made that he actually said Bees vanish-all life has 4 yrs to live on Earth. On the other hand there is no 100% conclusive proof that he did not make the statement. Some scientists say ten years and everyone has their own opinion on the matter.

Not good enough. Stick to FACTS.

If you think it is a hoax the Honey Bees dying so be it and if you think the statement needs a question mark duly noted.

PLEASE do not put words in my mouth rik rikey. I never said the honey bees dying was a hoax.

As far as 80% of all insect pollination is completed by honey bees, it can be argued either way some schools of thought say slightly less. It depends on what scientist, bee keeper or bee you talk to, but to bee sure the honey bee is very important to our survival. You say shenanigans, thanks for your vote of confidence of me bringing this serious issue of the Honey Bees disappearing to the for front. Rik Riley

What WERE you trying to do with this thread? Spread disinfo and fear? If it was confusion then you have succeded.

[edit on 5/6/08 by stikkinikki]

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Not disinformation, but to instill fear is correct of losing our precious Honey Bees. So why don't you contribute something more constructive rather then your destructive comments about me and this thread? I made my statements about Einstein in a few places in this thread and I stand by them.

If the answers are not good enough for you go play some where else and start your own thread. Over 17,000 hits in a week somebody is taking this thread serious unlike you stikkinikki. Keep on attacking me and this thread it will only make you look more ridiculous. By the way you are the only one that seems to be confused about the reasoning behind starting this thread. Rik Riley



[edit on 6-5-2008 by rikriley]

The world has enough problems and the advocates for trying to do something about it are fighting a sea of disinformation put out there to muddy the science.

Let's put it this way...

It's kind of like the boy who cried wolf. If you keep making up fake stories no one will take you or the REAL environmental problems seriously. You could have edited the title to something like, "If all the bees die, will all life perish?", or something similar, but you chose to give your thread an alarming title for what reason I do not know.

Four years? Is this Olympics or World Cup related? Think about it.

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You are so correct it was intentional to put an alarming title on this thread with CCD and other viruses that have spread. Scientist in U.K give it until 2018 the disappearing of the Honey Bee if the present trend continues at the current rate.

I do not think you have read any of the websites I have referred the readers of this thread to or you would not be attacking so aggressively. You may change the title to what ever makes you feel good. You think you are so smart saying I am crying wolf, tell that to thousands Of Bee Keepers and scientists around the world they would laugh you out of the room. Rik Riley

www.hese-project.org...






[edit on 6-5-2008 by rikriley]

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Hi Siren, believe it or not the Honey Bee is big business accounting for $285 million annually in the U.S. just from honey and beeswax not to mention the billions of dollars in pollination contribution.

I agree, so when the honey and beeswax, etc. start to decline then we will know that the bees have declined. If anything, the price on some of the honey has decreased which means competition has increased. Some time ago, I had read about the bees disappearing and I believed it, I no longer do. It may be that they are disappearing so that people can start their own business.

It also could be a control issue. They want to control the seeds by making them non reproductive and the honey bees is just another link in their chain.



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It would depend on what part of the U.S. or foreign country to the U.S. you are located. I see prices rising for honey but that can also be do to the higher prices of diesel and gasoline for transportation. Parts of the world have not been hit as hard as the U.S with CCD but many countries have been affected with immune disorders of the Honey Bee.

It depends from my information gathered that the Honey Bees are affected by the CCD when pollinating genetically modified crops verses organic crops. The ultimate factor on the price of honey is supply and demand and yes scientist and Bee Keepers are saying honey bees are disappearing and dieing off, but from your observation you say different.
Rik Riley




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I think it is more an issue of control. I think food will replace the wage system. Instead of working for the dollar people will be working for food. Why would they go to lengths to engineer plant life to prevent it from generating seeds. They want to take herbal remedies off the market and want to prevent people from being able to take care of themselves and feed themselves when the SHTF. When people started to store seed, the Honey Bee dilemma cropped up. So what they are saying is: you can store seed, but, they will control the pollinator. If there is a problem, it has been manufactured.

If they started seed vaults, you can bet your bottom that they have a Bee Hive (vault of sorts) somewhere. Could that be where all the Bees have disappeared to?

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You bring up some very good points for example Monsanto on the issue of genetically modified soybeans controls the particular soybean they engineered and patented. So the farmer now loses control of his or her crop. I do want to thank the almighty Creator that Europe does not allow genetically modified crops.

For example if a farmer plants a regular natural soybean and Honey Bees cross pollinate from a genetically modified patented soybean crop next door Monsanto says foul and wants restitution. Believe it or not their were people coming onto farmers fields checking to see whose seeds or beans were being used or planted.

For those controlling the commercial or corporate Honey Bee population I do not know maybe the NWO knows. The next thing will be genetically engineered bees created of the disguise of creating a Super Honey Bee resistant to all these types of viruses. Those who control or own the Honey Bees control the you guessed it, the pollination of those crops that provide food for the world.

Those who control the food can control who receives food and who does not and in other words they could control the populations and their minds.
Rik Riley



[edit on 8-5-2008 by rikriley]

Originally posted by stikkinikki
Bonus: show me the peer reviewed literature or other accepted source that validates this gem in the OPs OP (rikriley):
[edit on 5/5/08 by stikkinikki]

Peer review implies that clear, critical and logical thinking has been applied. I thought such behaviour was frowned upon in this website.

The cold hard facts are yes the bees are dieing. They became Roundup ready and started producing an insecticide in there gut. Bees love corn silk and this is one place to start looking. The bats are in decline and so are the North American song birds. The oceans have garbage islands as large as Texas and some reports are saying it has now grown to twice the size of the US. It starts off shore of California about 79 miles and reaches almost to Japan. China had there's too at least half as large as ours. It is killing the sea life. There is an agenda that is larger than this. It's all purposely being done. And there is more...

Nothing is what it seems.
Most people in America are overwhelmed with so much to do while evil people plan to reduce the population between 80-90%.
If you can't understand what I am telling you there is a reason.
Every thing is going according to their plans but, it has been slowed up.
They are in no hurry just let things take their course while they use the soft kill. The bees are just one of a bunch of programs they are running.
4 years left hmm..
well that rolls with many other beliefs about 2012.

In an earlier post here someone mentioned that bees may be living in abandoned houses. This of course gave way to my humor as I got visual.
I pictured bees laying around on couches, sipping sodas and watching big screen plasma TV's. LOL

Well today I did see 6-8 honey bees in the garden on the cucumber flowers. Also there were about 3-4 Bumble bees on the squash flowers. I just sat down and cried!!!

I was beginning to worry maybe God had RAPTURED the bees!

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The Honey Bees are still with us and we realize how precious a life form they are to nature and to the existence and future survival of the human race. I pray to the Creator that large corporations do not patent the making of a Super Bee resistant to viruses for the reason they could control the Honey bees and could determine if your crop is pollinated if other Honey Bees die off or disappear.

Yes I believe the viruses can be beaten back that attack the Honey Bee and keep them out of the exclusive control of huge corporations that want and are controlling the modified food crops farmers grow. Rik Riley



[edit on 23-5-2008 by rikriley]

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The European Honey Bees are the only species which seem to be affected by the magical disappearing act. These honey bees we speak of were thought to have been indroduced first to this continent by the settlers of the Jamestown colony. The way they farmed using the honey bee was said to be a nuisance to the Indians who occupied the area and provide some of the early friction between the settlers and the Inhabitants. This introduction of a fierce pollinator to an environment void of such produced effects on the environment. They promote pollination of plants native species normally don't visit. Invasive species took over their land winters were hard for them.

Maybe the "Creator" is balancing a human error recognized by Indians in the early days, Maybe he's just now getting around to answering their prayers, maybe they thought of the introduction of the bee to their land as you think of those who develop hybrids to introduce.

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[edit on 26-5-2008 by azblack]

I read this thread with interest and remembered perhaps a little known disease that originated on the Island where I live.

ISLE OF WIGHT DISEASE
In 1904 a mysterious illness began to kill honeybee colonies on the island, and had nearly wiped out all hives by 1907 when the disease jumped to the mainland, and decimated beekeeping in the British Isles. Called the Isle of Wight Disease, the cause of the mystery ailment was not identified until 1921 when a tiny parasitic mite, Acarapis woodi was first described by J. Rennie. The mite inhabited the tracheae of individual bees, and greatly shortened their lifespan, causing eventual death of the colony. The disease (now called Acarine Disease) frightened many other nations because of the importance of bees in pollination. Laws against importation of honeybees were passed, but this merely delayed the eventual spread of the parasite to the rest of the world.

Link to the above:-
en.wikipedia.org...
You will need to scroll down the page to see the article.

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Hi azblack, you bring up some interesting points you are correct the Honey Bee was not native to the Americas and praying to the Creator does not necessarily give you a yes or no answer right away and may give you what you did not expect now or later or nothing at all in life.

Not only were the Europeans invading the North American Continent so was the European Honey Bee as you stated. Another thing that the American Indian did not ask for is small pox and the saturating of the small pox virus into their blankets they wore and used for warmth. Do I hear the word genocide when it came to the American Indian and all of this was done in the name of Freedom and land grabbers.

The Earth has a way of balancing things out some of the time and sometimes it does not especially when the human race has there hand in it and our Honey Bees are like the canary in the coal mine telling us something is not right. When the FDA chief, Ralph Roachman back in 2007 said bees are dying from genetically modified crops we had better listen to what he has to say. If this is doing this to the bees what is the modified or genetically engineered crops doing to the human immune system when we humans eat the food?
Rik Riley



[edit on 26-5-2008 by rikriley]

The bees in our area seem to be declining. This winter the local farmers were commenting that the price of honey and royal jelly would be going thru the roof due to this. It seems the prices on everything is thru the roof right now so I cannot say for sure I really notice those things being more expensive. I also do not purchase fresh honey or royal jelly from any local keepers.

I was told by someone who regularly buys royal jelly and honey from a local keeper that he is greatly concerned because bees create things that give natural needed immunities to each area of the country that is key to their particular geographical location. I had never heard this before and was quite suprised but I don't see any reason why it isn't true.

With the amount of illness in our area this past winter, all our natural medicine buffs didn't seem to have the ability to fight off stuff as well as in previous years. This guy claims it is due to the lack of regional royal jelly.
Honey had to be shipped in from other places as well.

Perhaps another example of how mother nature cares for us, but thru ignorance and even malice someone or something is taking away natural antibodies that are key for our wellbeing.

I have two friends that are bee keepers. Both have told me of whole hives disapearing overnight. No dead bees however, just disapeared.

Originally posted by rikriley

When the FDA chief, Ralph Roachman back in 2007 said bees are dying from genetically modified crops we had better listen to what he has to say.

I missed this tidbit of information.

I had thought since the bees use sonar and the bats use sonar, then with the dolphins beaching themselves........Sonar again.........

Do you have a link that I could find out more about what the FDA guy said? If not I will do a bit of googling.

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Hi interestedalways, it is a sad day when our crops are one the culprits of the disappearing Honey Bee. I suspected that modified or genetically engineered crops would be one of the major factors of killing our Honey Bees in America before I even read any of the articles and statement by FDA Chief Ralph Roachman of the fact.

Again if GM crops will do this to the Honey Bees what about humans and why have there not been more protests about the matter? Europe absolutely bans modified crops why is that maybe they know something we American citizens do not. Rik Riley







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Thank you for the link I will read up on it. For some reason I must think it is tied in somehow to make way for Monsanto's terminator seeds. Problem, Reaction, Solution..........

Sad indeed.

Did you notice this at the end of the article?

The story above is a satire or parody. It is entirely fictitious.

Not to take away from the content, which seems legitimate. I did the same thing by linking an article saying conspiracy theorist were "officially insane" I didn't even catch the name Ivory Towers as the author, but in the article you linked I did catch the name of the Doctor to be Felix Minderbender!!!

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