Meet the Dead Hijackers

Ultima.

1. WHERE did I state ALL were identified through DNA.

I stated SOME!

I showed you HOW.

I showed you how the others were from process of elimination.

Did you read ANY of the literature I posted on my Pentagon DNA thread?

Again.. you do not want to believe the evidence presented to you. I'm really ok with it. Most truthers that have done their homework do not hold on to this theory. You are supposed to be one of them.

I have given you all the evidence that is necessary... lets go over it just one more time so you can get back to providing me with ANY evidence that they are alive.


1. Hijackers names on flight manifests
2. Several of tickets bought with credit card under hijackers names.
3. Rental cars found in airport parking lot rented to hijacker.
4. Video of hijackers at security check points
5. Hotel records
6. Phone calls from flight attendants stating the approx. location of hijackers.
7. Cockpit voice recorders showing some sort of a struggle.
8. Martyr videos from several hijackers.
9. A good bye letter from one hijacker to his girlfriend
10. Not ONE hijackers has come forward to say they were:
a. falsely accused
b. not dead.
11. DNA evidence.
a. brothers at Pentagon were discovered
b. some..again some of the hijackers DNA at other areas were found and
matched with collected DNA from the FBI.
c. the remainder of the DNA evidence that could not be matched with victims, would be assumed that of the hijackers.
12. Saudi government admitting that many hijackers were in fact Saudi's.
13. Family's of all the hijackers haven't seen their kin since prior to 911.

This is not even all of it. But this should be more than enough for you to go through. Ultima... please provide YOUR evidence that they are alive. I have done more than enough for you. Page after page of evidence, sources, etc. Now this is the final time, step up and provide YOUR evidence. If not, you have shown not only me, but everyone reading this thread that you have ZERO evidence.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious1. WHERE did I state ALL were identified through DNA.

So you agree that all the hijackers were not identified through DNA?

Where is you evidence to support your claim that all the hijackers are dead?





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I can't stand having to repeat myself over and over again. It's like talking to Ivan about flight 93. Look at my post with the 13 points of evidence. Take them one by one and research them. It's ALL VERIFIED.

Unless I see some sort of a response from you with some evidence to support ANY of the 19 hijackers still alive, you are on ignore. I feel like a broken record.


You claim to have done more research than most, yet you have offered NOTHING.

READ MY POSTS. READ MY SOURCES. Tell me how many hijackers were identified through DNA...DO IT! You want the truth? Stop relying on the debunkers in here to do your homework!!!! If you did, you would come to the SAME EXACT conclusions I have.

Get to work Ultima.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
I can't stand having to repeat myself over and over again.

Now you know what i feel like when talking to most of the people that still believe the official story.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Now you know what i feel like when talking to most of the people that still believe the official story.

That's all you got?

Well, for someone that says that they don't have a theory about what happened on 911, you CLEARLY summed up your position in that one sentence. You do not believe the official story....yet 6 and a half years AFTER, and all the research you have done... you can't offer any insight as to what you believe happened on 911... only that it wasn't what the official story states.


So, should I wait for you to post your evidence regarding the hijackers?

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
..yet 6 and a half years AFTER, and all the research you have done... you can't offer any insight as to what you believe happened on 911... only that it wasn't what the official story states.

The main reason i do not have a theory is because i do not deal in theories, i deal in facts and evidnece. A lot of evidence has still not been released by the main investigating agencies.

I have been doing a lot of reaseach, something that the people that believe the official story seem to have a problem with, mostly because it might go against what they have been told in thier safe fantasy world and they might have to face reallity that somethign other then what they have been told happened.

All the research i have dsone shows there is more evidence that questions the official story then supports it.

That also means the official story would not hold up in court be because there is reasonable doubt.




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So, are you going to provide evidence that shows the hijackers are alive? Since this is the Meet the Dead Hijackers thread.

Thanks

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
So where is your evidence that they are all dead?
[edit on 25-4-2008 by ULTIMA1]

So where is your evidence they are all alive?

Ultima, I like you (honestly). Your a good guy who has served his contry honorably, IMO.

I mean this sincerely; the so-called truth movement is a con. If you don't start dealing with evidence-based truth you're going to find yourself repeating the same claims over and over and over again to a diminishing audience until you and a handful of other 'die hards' find yourselves talking to the same handful of people (each other) holding on to a myth while the 9-11 profiteers will have long since moved on to some other fear-based con.

Your not doing yourself or the so-called truth movement any good by making arguments (IMO) that are totally counter to the person you actually are. Which is to say thoughtful, intelligent and thought-provoking.

If your faith believes in 9-11 being an inside job, that's great! No issue there and I don't think anyone here would quibble with that.

The contention comes from claims that are, I'm sorry to say (not trying to be deliberately offensive), completely absurd. I'm not saying your absurd. I am not saying your ideas are absurd. I am saying claiming the hijackers are alive is utterly absurd. Claiming FLT 93 never crashed or might be another plane (with utterly zero evidence to that claim), is utterly absurd.

I mean this honestly; if there is any conspiracy to be found in 9-11 the truth movement has succeeded in making it impossible to find. These clearly absurd claims only serve to cast the 'movement' in the most unfavorable light possible.

And this has been going on for more than half a decade.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
So, are you going to provide evidence that shows the hijackers are alive? Since this is the Meet the Dead Hijackers thread.

Right after you provide evidence they are all dead, since people have been asking you since the start of this thread but you still refuse to do.



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Originally posted by ULTIMA1
All the research i have dsone shows there is more evidence that questions the official story then supports it.
[edit on 27-4-2008 by ULTIMA1]

But yet, you provide none of the information you have uncovered, other than blanket claims that the "official story" is false?

Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
Ultima, I like you (honestly). Your a good guy who has served his contry honorably, IMO

I mean this sincerely; the so-called truth movement is a con.

And still serving my country and supporting our troops, thank you.

The biggest con is the official story since thier is no real evidence to support it. I will state one more time, there is more evidnece that questions the official story then supports it.

Also anyone with basic intelligence and common sense can see the official story is full of holes and questions.


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Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
But yet, you provide none of the information you have uncovered, other than blanket claims that the "official story" is false?

I have providede evidence many times but most peope refuse to accept it, even if its form professional and goverment research sites.

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ULTIMA, you wrote to the Captain about evidence of dead hijackers (he IS the OP, remember?) and asked where his evidence was.....top of page 4, this thread. Can you read it, please?

Originally posted by weedwhacker
ULTIMA, you wrote to the Captain about evidence of dead hijackers

He believes all the hijackers are dead, so why does he have a problem with providing evidence when asked by people?

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I am not attacking your personally Ultima... but dude.. can you comprehend English? How many times do I have to list the evidence for you? Or are you trying to piss me off so I will ignore you... resulting in you NOT having to supply evidence?

Won't work.

You have been supplied evidence... and you refuse to read it, comprehend it, see it? What ever. It's there.

Refute it if you want.

I predict you will NEVER supply us with evidence that any of them are alive.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
But yet, you provide none of the information you have uncovered, other than blanket claims that the "official story" is false?

I have providede evidence many times but most peope refuse to accept it, even if its form professional and goverment research sites.

Which is more likely:

1. Your presented evidence is spot on, 100% iron-clad proof and most people take a look at it and are just plain idiots

-or-

2. You provide evidence that most carefully look at and find serious flaws with?

Your jet engine sim thread is a really good example. No argument about your effort or desire to provide something new into the discussion. It's just that your assertions were widely found to be incorrect.

There, like here, your bottom line position was/is you have access to other research (which you don't include or highlight) that proves your point.

It's a circular logic argument that is plainly obvious and makes reasonable, thinking people ask the obvious questions (which they do and are told they are stupid for asking).

So, can we agree that there may be some aspects of 9-11 that you would like to see explained more to your liking? Can we also agree that the hijackers are plainly, painfully, obviously dead? Can we agree that if there is a conspiracy, it’s not with the dead hijackers?

Can we agree that it is much more likely to find the truth by focusing on the 99% we do know, rather than focusing on the 1% we don’t?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by weedwhacker
ULTIMA, you wrote to the Captain about evidence of dead hijackers

He believes all the hijackers are dead, so why does he have a problem with providing evidence when asked by people?

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He did!

At the top of this very page, in this very thread.


Let me quote it again:

1. Hijackers names on flight manifests
2. Several of tickets bought with credit card under hijackers names.
3. Rental cars found in airport parking lot rented to hijacker.
4. Video of hijackers at security check points
5. Hotel records
6. Phone calls from flight attendants stating the approx. location of hijackers.
7. Cockpit voice recorders showing some sort of a struggle.
8. Martyr videos from several hijackers.
9. A good bye letter from one hijacker to his girlfriend
10. Not ONE hijackers has come forward to say they were:
a. falsely accused
b. not dead.
11. DNA evidence.
a. brothers at Pentagon were discovered
b. some..again some of the hijackers DNA at other areas were found and
matched with collected DNA from the FBI.
c. the remainder of the DNA evidence that could not be matched with victims, would be assumed that of the hijackers.
12. Saudi government admitting that many hijackers were in fact Saudi's.
13. Family's of all the hijackers haven't seen their kin since prior to 911.

Originally posted by CaptainObvious
How many times do I have to list the evidence for you?

Untill you list some actual evidence that all the hijackers are dead, not just opinions and statements.

Originally posted by SlightlyAbovePar
c. the remainder of the DNA evidence that could not be matched with victims, would be assumed that of the hijackers.

All that and stiil no real evidence that the hijackersa are dead. The main thing that ruins all the evidence that was lsited, that all the hijackers are dead.

the DNA evidence that could not be matched with victims, would be assumed that of the hijackers.

Correct me if i am wrong but ASSUMED does not mean verifiable evidence that the hijackers are dead.

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Okay Ultima, I am sorry to say I can't take you seriously any more.

Over the past several weeks I have been really trying to reach out to you. To find some common ground that we could agree on. I have tried really hard to side step any put-downs, etc. I have taken your positions seriously and at face value.

This thread, at least to me, proves you really aren't being intellectually honest and aren't really interested in discussion.

You have your faith, and that's fine.

However, this thread has dipped into absurdity and is now an exercise in who will keep talking the longest, no matter how ridiculous the argumentative positions become.

I am not going to 'ignore' you as this is the weak way out. I am going to refrain from engaging you as I have finally, begrudgingly, realized you’re only interested in preaching your faith.

Thank you for your service to our country and best of luck!