Are You Stockpiling Now? If so, what?

Originally posted by Archideva
A few days ago I made a pot of pinto beans. Took hours to cook. Got to thinking later about just how much wood I would need to acomplish the same task in a situation X senerio. Remembered during Y2K I put up beans of all sorts in canning jars that I had processed in my canner. This is an idea I will began to think about doing here in the next week or so.

You have to pre soak dried beans. I use to do it when i hiked the AT in NC and Tennesse. I would soak my dinner beans first thing in the morning and I never had a problem and i was cooking them on a portable alcohol camp stove.

So this thread now incorporates anything, not just food.

Ok I'll add my working approaches.


Guns: Can't get enough, manual action and semi-auto rifles with steel reflex suppressors and pistols with aluminum-steel mixed impulse suppressors.
Shotguns, I keep one for the sake of having one... it's a brand new italian pump action.
I store the weapons separate, all over the place... hundreds of miles, war caches, with other supplies. Tagged and protected in every way.
I have no wood stove in my apartment, but I have multifuel burner, kerosene lamps, chemical lights, cooking oil/lard lights can be fashioned, and have big amounts of fuses, bulbs and candles, plus some tactical flashlights and weaponlights with a lot of bulbs, accessories and batteries.

I have all I need to listen in to every communication on the airwaves, currently in use by anyone in the country, and enough to communicate through GSM and radio anonymously throughout an enduring scenario.

I have preserved water, mixed with certain percentages of pure 96% alcohol, to make it last quite some time.

Also have some three thousand beverage containers just because I haven't redeemed them for 2-3 years can be filled in for immediate use for water storage. Totally not planned for.

Have reloading equipment and components for all calibers known to man... and enough to keep a small army with ammunition.


But I want to tell you, that for "mysterious" reasons, nobody will gain from taking what they want from others, not even from stores.
Those that try will be punished, and not necessarily in the way you think. Therefore store everything you need.
When this thing goes down I will be in one of my four retreats, waiting it out on a roadblock with the entire family line which I will keep fed and armed. There are a lot of us. We have our own valley.

Do not overcomplicate matters. Not everyone will bring their family and neighbours and friends to your table. You will be fewer than you think, but also more than you think. Many will never make it. I don't even KNOW who my relatives relatives are, I have never met them and I don't care about them if I never meet them or hear about them. I know my relatives and will keep them with everything they need. I will not tell them that I have all we will ever need among all of us, I will simply tell them we have enough.

I will do everything that everyone else does, except from looting. I will go to the food handouts by the military, in the first and second locations.
I payed for them and I need them too, in order to stretch my supplies, because this will not be over for years once it starts. Once in a while I will give my good neighbours a can or two of bacalao (which will be rare soon), a small token or something, some light or heat, and that will be all. I do not have many good neighbours. Only 75% of them or so. But they will go a long way on the little I give them.


I will also get a blasting lisence so I can handle and buy dynamite, I see the need to buy a few tonnes of dynamite and collapse a couple of roads to cordon off our valley from both sides, after the coming crisis progresses far enough. Some few thousand people will be enclosed ofcourse, but better to have to walk across the mountain to trade than having random drivethroughs by any mujahedin wannabe with an armored vehicle.

I am stock-piling everything I can get me hands on for my family. The only thing I have going for me personally though is...nothing but protection as I will more than likely be in Peru when the $#!% hits the fan due to a kung fu retreat.

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You sound nuts. Like a cross between that kool-aid cult, Deliverance, and Charles Manson or something.

I hope, for the safety of everyone in your community, that the cops find you before some unwitting hiker lost in the woods/desert/wherever you live wanders into your yard and ends up dynamited to death.

It's one thing to have a few guns around for self defense, its another thing to be planning on blowing up roads and forming an army out of your family, which from the way you describe it seems to have no idea that you plan to haul them off into some valley and force them to leave their own families behind.

Folks, survivalism is about finding a way to survive and provide for yourself, NOT about eagerly awaiting the fall of society so that you can form your own mini-dictatorship in some remote countryside. Please, plan accordingly...


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Please attack the ball not the player.

[edit on 15-5-2008 by Jbird]

I have to agree that Water, Food, Medical Supplies and TP are 1000% more important than a large supply of guns and ammo.

Dont get me wrong, I sleep with a loaded Pistol tucked under the edge of the bed, and I occasionally carry a shotgun in the front seat of the Truck, ( Thats LEGAL in TEXAS Folks- And somtimes necessary in parts of Dallas ) but If I have to 'Empty' that pistol, its been a "really bad day", and someone will either now have MY pistol, or I'll have a new weapon 'dropped' just inside my doorstep. Kinda like a 'donation'

If it gets to a point where I'm havin' to go through 1000's of rounds to stay alive, ( even in a week ) its time for me to "scoot" and be the 'Rabbit in the Bunny Hole' for a while. Let everyone else go bonkers, and sleep off the winter.

I've come to the conclusion that I'm always going to be 'outgunned', but I wont be 'outsmarted' very easily.

Remember what 5 shot "BOLT action" rifles did in WWII? ( Audie Murphie The son of poor Texas sharecroppers )

They work just as good now.

Best Regards,

Blitzkreigen

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A gave ya a star for the call out. Some folks are over the edge from the start it seems. Good call.

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I would much rather have a tractor trailer full of TP than a boat load of other junk.

A very wise ATS user.

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I planted my first garden this year and was wondering if you could give me some tips on saving some of the seeds from this garden to use for my garden next year (such as drying or storing etc.). Also, what plants do you recommend for a fall garden? I would like to keep a continuous garden but expense keeps me from having a greenhouse. Any other suggestions you might feel useful will be appreciated.

If you want a greenhouse, consider this:

www.thefarm.org...

It looks incredibly cheap but similar instructions are everywhere on the internet so I'm guessing it works.

I've been going to Big Lots lately and stocking up on canned hams 1.5 lbs for 3.20 a can. Also they have cans of Olive and Canola oils for 3.50. Their corn flour and muffin mixes are only 1.00. Their cans of Chow Mein dinners are only 3.50 too.

I've been out of work for over 4 months now and everytime I scrape up some $$$ I go to the 99 cent store or Big Lots for cheap food.

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just keep an eye on the expiration date of those Big Lots and Dollar Store food items and rotate them in with your regular foods. No use stocking up if the stuff won't last long.

btw Big Lots is an excellent place for buying other "survival" type goods, tents, sleeping bags, oil lamps, and a variety of tools can be found there rather affordably. Dollar Stores are fine too, only thing is the quality of gadgets aren't always the best. But when funds are tight, it's best to be prepared than not all, so buy discount I do

Any survival thoughts include the basics, food, water, shelter, and a degree of personal protection.

As for huge stockpiles of ammunition, obviously only vivable in an area you intend to defend, more to the point will be enough for basic defence, and of course for those up to no good, they will be sniped, and their equipment confiscated. I suspect more than one moron will be wandering about with their ak and bandoliers, without a clue in the world.

All fuel supplies will be confiscated by the authorities ultimately, as will much of the food provisions in the local stores, particularly if martial law is declared.

So keep it as simple as you can, given the number of people you are trying to take care of. Hay burners are always good. Obviously the more you store, the more you have to pack, particularly if you are in a city and have to hike out. Seeds for when you establish a camp far from the maddening crowd, and if you are lucky enough to be in a secluded area chickens for eggs and meat. Just an old grunts view.........lol

KEEP IT ADVANCED.

And don't listen to the mask there.


If you are not advanced enough and heavily enough prepared, you will not outlast the enemy and will not outmaneuver the enemy.

Suppressors for all weapons, night vision goggles and scopes, eotech sights, multispectral camouflage, stores of ammunition, spare parts and equipment clothes food all hidden in multiple locations, NBC equipment waterpurifying equipment gyro-binoculars spotting scopes and advanced surveillance and encryption communication technologys, all of these things are needed in order to have a fighting chance against the government goons, and to have the technological upper hand against the massive numbers of the enemy.

You can think whatever you want, but as long as you have no idea even what the situation on the world political scene is, you have no idea what to do in order to be effective in your preparations, so don't tell people that their 5-round clip Mauser and their log-fire kettle will get them through the troubles ahead. You are either just bloody stupid, attempting to justify your own low level of readiness, or an agent of the enemy, whichever one of the enemy "sides" you are on. You think you are against the government and against loonatics, but you are actually working for at least one of them.

Don't worry about driving, you are best off setting up an area of control, or if the enemy is too numerous, flee and burn what is not digged down, and pick up your life at the next location where you have dug down exactly the same supplies and same amount of them. This will be a multi-year period.

Hi, Whats a Hay Burner?

Is it like a cast iron stove? Will it burn cow chips as well? Any ideas on where to see a picture of one?

As far as the Confiscation goes, I'm seeing that anything that even looks "evil military" may get you into trouble in the future.

That includes OD Green Footlockers, Military BDU's, Rainsuits, Medical Pouches, Packs, Heck even a Gas Mask or Bayonette could get you "Classified" as a Potential Anti Government Instigator, and they may run you up the UN FlagPole, or the Mexican Flagpole, whichever is running this country then.

For God Sakes, Dont have any "Dont Tread On Me flags " Or "Come and Take It" Banners...

I'm Not giving up My "Remember San Jacinto" Flag EVER!

Just a thought,

Best Regards,

Blitzkreigen

reply to post by Blitzkreigen


Sometimes a horse is referred to as a hay burner. It's also a pellet stove, i believe they are cast iron.


They have some info here; www.grassbioenergy.org...

And don't ever give up anything !


Hope the link helps answer your question.

Thanks for that Link!

I saw a Pellet Stove at BUCK stoves a few years back, and I have always been interested in them.

Thats a really informative site, and I will absorb some knowledge to help make a decision on the best way to go.

As for the Horse..... DUH! I shoulda' figured that out !

Unfortunately, a horse in not in the cards for me any time soon.

I already have 2 large dogs, and 5 cats and 8 fish eating like HOGS !

Perhaps some day, but I'll probably get Ducks, Geese and Rabbits first.

Thanks again for the Link, and the knowledge.

Best Regards,

Blitzkreigen


PS... I'm not giving 'anything' up very easily! 5th Generation Texan Here, raised by a Depression Era Grandmother, and I understand HISTORY.

Nope No Huckleberry here...


[edit on 25-5-2008 by Blitzkreigen]

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You are most welcome, glad i could help. Good attitude & knowing our history is what helps us. Now if we can all remember what our founding fathers told us. There's a thread that i believe may be of interest to you, in case you haven't already seen it i'm gonna post the link for you. It's a real eye opener !


www.abovetopsecret.com...

WOW,, you mean the Government is Lying to us and Deceiving us?

I had not seen that thread, I'm pretty new here like under 30 days.
I appreciate the link. I read a LOT of it, and it requires further investigation, but not at 3:30 am

Actually, I kinda gave up a LONG time ago on fixing this system.

When I was on a Military Base in DC for a few years, I saw more Fraud, Waste and Abuse, violations of EPA guidelines, OSHA violations, and a LOT of Governmental BACKSTABBING and Nepitism to the n'th degree.

If anyone ran a company like the Government runs its business, they would all be bankrupt and in Jail for FRAUD and occupational Safety and Health Code 'Negligence'. ( Meaning they knowingly put people at risk without telling them, but THEY knew the dangers. Money Talked, Innocents were Lost )

Dont get me started... lol... I have become "one with the way" now and it does not include beating my head against a wall to save the system.

Thats really a Great thread, and I will re- read it further in detail tomorrow, so I can have GREATER outlook for Memorial Day.

You can bet that I will be Remembering what My Grandfather fought for in WWII ( even after it was 'over' he still came under attack), what My Grandmother Taught me about How to live as a Christian, and what Morals and Values we were all supposed to inherit from the Greatest Generation and their hardships. Somewhere after 1960 we all went off course.

I'm saddened by the state of affairs today, and sometimes old houses need a remodeling job. At least a foundation repair, and stronger roof.
The 'Yard Fence' could use quite a bit of work too, as those damn stray dogs and cats keep sneaking through into my garden. It has not been maintained very well and is falling over from the footings.

I'm almost to the point of thinking "TENT", because you know how long it takes contractors to actually complete a job. You know it will be overbudget and way behind schedual. I know I can make it in a "Tent", its just sad to see the House fall apart. Insurance got dropped a while back, so its up to us to pay for it... one way or another..

I really appreciate you Posting that Link to Sizzle's thread.

I've decided that I cant save anyone else, but those closest to me, and I think we have mired ourselves pretty thick in Black Gumbo Mud, with no winch to free us. ( Someone stole it and sold it on the International /Corporate market.)


Best Regards,

And Have a Really Thoughtful Memorial Day !

Blitzkreigen


'Bad Dog' Moto Lives ! On top of the Highest Mountain in Texas.
Memorial Day 1992.


To Stay On Thread Topic... YES I am Stockpiling... EVERYTHING worth keeping! The List keep getting shorter, as I lose confidence in workmanship and materials available.

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Lol i love your wording, and understand completely where you come from.

I'm new here myself. Her thread is long and does require a lot of investigation, but real food for thought. I found it interesting, and am still checking out certain things. She has another along similar lines, if your interested let me know i'll post the link for you.

Right now as far as stockpiling goes, my main focus is on hierloom seeds and a good book about harvesting and processing your own seeds. For those that don't do this times may get very hard !