Recent trip to Area 51- Guards cross the line

Originally posted by DJMessiah
bknapple, how far did you and your girlfriend camp from the Area 51 location/border?

Could you please give the camera model/name that you used?

Does your camera use film, a memory card, or internal hard drive to store its videos on?

Have you visited the same location to camp at, or do you select a new location?

When you said you heard the noise of a "big gun being made ready to fire," was it the sound of a shotgun, or a magazine being put into a rifle?

The camera that was in your tent, why was it focused on your camp site, rather than at the sky? Were you expecting for them to come to your camp?

You mentioned that you went to that inn to get some drinks. Why did you not go back there, rather than sleep on a popped mattress that night?

These will answer other posters questions, but this guy atleast asked without outright accusing me of lying about a stupid camping trip.

1. We camped about a half mile away from the border. There is a turn off on GRL that leads to campfire hill. We camp at the base of campfire hill directly next to the road, you cant miss it.

2.The camera was a Panasonic SDR-SW20S, im sure you can google it. ( had to search through receipts to find the specific panasonic. lol)

3. The camera was using a SD card.

4.We have gone to the same location every time. Even some of our old stakes we couldnt get out of the tough ground are still there now.

5. Couldnt tell ya what the big gun noise was. Im no expert but I know they have big guns, and I know it was the sound I hear in the movies. So I put two and two together.

6. As said before, the camera is for security sake. If the camera were to get stolen, then theres no point for it. But In case my hiding it works, I can see who did what, and if there are other campers in the area, I can figure things out. Its hard to camp by area 51 without being noticed. I also said before that we never bring the camera hoping to find something in the sky. If something were to happen to look really cool, I might use the camera for that. But after this event, anything I took footage of, if it were important enough, wouldprob not stay with me for very long.

7. The reason we did not go back there was 2 fold. first, we would have to take down the camp site. I suppose we could of skipped that and come back for it in the morning.... But that point is moot because we left the Inn at closing. Had we come back, it would have been after they closed. This was in the middle of the week and the Inn closes up shop around 8 or 830 depending on who is left. As we were the last customers leaving ,we assumed they closed up pretty much as we left.

Hope that helped....

reply to post by justpassingthrough


I wasnt trying to be arrogant here. I was actually making a qlaum at my own lack of a social life. I hat clubbing and paly poker too much. So my girlfriend and I try to camp as often as possible. All my other guy friends are single so they are hitting the bars and clubs every night. I smply dont do that.

If someone has camped more then my, more power to them. I was just trying to emphasize the fact that I have gone there A LOT. More than your average bear. And the fact that one has researched area 51 for decades doesnt quite mean they ahve camped there 25 times or more. I have easy access living in Vegas.

reply to post by EngineerGuY27


No problem. thanks for the reply. hopefully more people will understand why there is no point to make this up. Esp with the fact that I have been posting here and elsewhere for a while and have shown I just dont make random stories up.

reply to post by bknapple


the moment i read that you had filmed them i thought "now hes going to tell some story on how he lost his camera or its broken" and sure there comes the story

I really don't get how this thread is still active...
Let's face it, his story has more holes than a celebrity sex tape.

1.
You leave a camera at your campsite, recording while your away?
First of all how much do you make a year? Are you a Sales Exec? I'm betting you don't even have a part time job... yet your expensive video camera means jack all to you?

Who would leave a video camera they paid for at a campsite while their gone?
Honestly, were you hoping to catch some Yeti Footage or something?
If nothing happened in 25 alleged camping trips prior what made this night so special you left a video camera at the camp site?

That doesn't add up, nobody just leaves their sh*t out in the open and unprotected like that, what if it rained? What if your car broke down on the way back there? Etc... and what were you going to do then?

Your camera could have been sitting there for days with no way to get it back... I'm sorry that really doesn't fly.

2. "our camp wood thrown all around in a 200 foot radius and our fire pit thrown away like it never existed. "

200ft? What so they picked up individual bits of wood and trekked 200ft north, south, east and west to scatter them?

Cammo Dudes are not the mafia ok? They don't leave "messages" saying "stay outta our business..."

These are men with real, dedicated jobs who have more pressing issues at hand, like patrolling the ridges to make sure no unauthorized people get in and manning checkpoints, not bothering a couple out in the woods some 30 miles from base who got no clue what their doing.

I can understand popping a mattress, as that would make most campers essentially p*ss off...

Because I've been camping. You ever slept on gravel or dirt for an entire night? Try getting more than a couple of hours of decent rest before you've got bugs crawling up where the sun don't shine and your covered in dirt. It's not pleasant.

But scattering the fire wood a good 200ft? You only have to collect it back together again and light it up, oohh that's tough.

And why 200ft? Where did you get this figure from?
You pull out a tape measure and mark the distances or something? 200ft sounds a little too exact for somebody who has zero credibility.

If the cammo dudes wanted you to be gone they would have simply taken your tent and mattress and you would have never seen it again. And you would have no legal recourse to sue them in any aspect because you can't prove anything.

3. So you come back to your campsite. It's trashed. You look at the footage on your "hidden" camera which apparently they never saw for some reason and saw cammo dudes scavenging your stuff?

And what did you do?
Lock it up and stay for the night!

There are so many things wrong with the conclusion you came to, it boggles the mind. If somebody had threatened me like that, physically vandalized my property and I was with my girlfriend, I can assure you I wouldn't stay for the night and wait for something to happen.

It's easy to tell your not an experienced camper or trekker, when sh*t happens when your miles from civilization you take it seriously, you don't go "Oh a minor hiccup, we'll stay for the night". You leave and make sure your better prepared next time.

Who brings one inflatable mattress with them? You've camped 25 times and you never thought of a back up? Most people bring foam picnic mats along with mattresses, so in case you have a leak you can at least sleep on something rigid.

There are so many inconsistencies and errors in common sense here I cannot see how any reasonable person here could have done the same thing you did in your situation.

4. I'm trying to keep this short I don't waste too much time on frauds so here's my final point to you.

You say the Cammo Dudes came back at 4am to rummage through your things again?
Ok, for once I see some truth in your story. I could understand them coming back to check if you had left or not. That is likely...

(Continued 2nd post)

BUT....

They went straight for your car and tried to pick the locks in an attempt to nab a camera they didn't even know existed?

Come off it.. that's ridiculous.
And the funny part is, nobody bothers to check inside the tent. Hmm, funny that they don't look to see if maybe that mysterious camera is inside the tent, no they head straight for the car.

Also what's curious is, they don't know that your there; YET they bothered to pick the locks like they're on a reconnaissance mission, rather than ram the butt of their M-16's through your window and open the door.
Oh maybe they were afraid the local county police were on patrol around there or something, or you'd sue them later on... lol

Your theory about parabolic microphones picking up what you said is not only absolute rubbish but also reaks of paranoia and tin-foilness.

First off, a little advice, there's no concrete proof as of yet to suggest cammo dudes have access to parabolics. Show me a link or something if your so convinced...

Second, they wouldn't use them in wooded areas, trees, bushes and plants block and absorb sound waves, making them a bad area to use parabolics in. These things don't work like they do in Spy Movies, parabolics need clear unobstructed paths to the target to be able to pick up anything audible. Pointing a microphone into a wooded area from a distance is not going to give much audio other than a garbled mess.

Flat, wide-open plains and deserts are ideal locations to use them.

I could go on picking at your story and finding more incredulous evidence that suggests you have no clue what your talking about, but I'll leave it that.

Sorry if I sounded harsh or somewhat offensive, I didn't mean that, but please stop trying to coerce everyone into believing a sequence of events that sounds like it's out of a 1960's sci-fi film.

[edit on 4/5/08 by The Godfather of Conspira]

Well, if true, didn't you read the signs?
Your story states you were "across the border".
And apparantly, have done so many times.
Camping on a military installation seems a bit arrogant, IMHO, if you are not prepared for the reaction.
Count your blessings you didn't get the standard treatment of capture, interrogation at the guard shack, and a trip in a police car.
I prefer to visit the area in daylight only, and not be a sheep camping amongst a wolfpack with vastly superior technology and firepower.

The whole Nellis area of influence is huge, and if you were to go "missing", you woulkd never be found, and I am sure county search and rescue would be told "their" extensive military search found nothing.

reply to post by The Godfather of Conspira



Whew, dont even know where to begin on this one. I get it, you don't believe me. Fine. But to come off as the experienced camper and to make me come off as otherwise is laughable. This is coming from the guy who thinks Area 51 is nestled in the woods, hence they couldnt have any spy equipment. Thats all I need to say. Most of your points wre answered, so I'll assume you didnt take the time to read them.

Originally posted by gotrox
Well, if true, didn't you read the signs?
Your story states you were "across the border".
And apparantly, have done so many times.
Camping on a military installation seems a bit arrogant, IMHO, if you are not prepared for the reaction.
Count your blessings you didn't get the standard treatment of capture, interrogation at the guard shack, and a trip in a police car.
I prefer to visit the area in daylight only, and not be a sheep camping amongst a wolfpack with vastly superior technology and firepower.

The whole Nellis area of influence is huge, and if you were to go "missing", you woulkd never be found, and I am sure county search and rescue would be told "their" extensive military search found nothing.

The story never once says we camped across the border. Double check please....

reply to post by bknapple


I never said A51 is in the woods. You claimed you camped in the woods near it. I was referring to that dubious piece of info.

And I see you didn't reply so swiftly to attack me discrediting your story as you did previously? What's the matter, out of ammo?

The only thing that's laughable here as far as I'm aware is a guy claiming a fantastical, wonderful, make-believe concoction actually happened, and as it so happens the proof and validation of this entire story was STOLEN.

Well la-di-da how many times have I heard this lemon being sold on ATS?
Bout 400 I'd say...
Nice try anyway.

You come off as everything but a person who has spent a week away from home. Your lack of basic camping skills and general knowledge relating the outdoors IS LAUGHABLE.
A guy who brings one mattress, keeps his valuables in his car and leaves camp for more than an hour.
Yeah I believe ya chum. Your a regular Tarzan.

There is absolutely no proof security guards at A51 have parabolics. Show me then if you believe that so staunchly.

Get real who did you expect to believe such poorly concocted piece of bs?
My 10 year old brother has better survival skills than you.


[edit on 6/5/08 by The Godfather of Conspira]

reply to post by The Godfather of Conspira


Where did I ever say I camped in the woods? There are no woods anywhere near area 51. It is desert. So since you cant get your basic facts correct about my story, I'll suffice it to say that you didnt care to learn the facts. So I'll ignore your obvious immature name calling. All I did was post a simple camping story about some pretty cool and out of the ordinary events.

Ignore everything, all except for the comment about how I must be lying baout how much I camp and Im new to all this. Again, you must of missed the posts where I state that I clearly know people at the A LE Inn from CAMPING there. Ive been there 25 or so times, they know me as practially a local there. On top of that I even have a trip posted 2 years ago about camping at area 51 on another site. I have been on this site for a while and never claimed any crazy story. Nothing about my post deserved your name calling tirade.

To me, this story holds no water. I know you back up you facts, but its just too much too swallow. I know you wont like that but its a gut feeling, and many people here get this feeling from reading it.

Then I turn to the question of "Why?"

In my humble opinion, This would be a classic maneuver from Groom Lake to attempt to keep people away. Go to public forums about Area 51, and claim abuse, or nightmarish stories involving security.

"Don't make it too bad, like kidnapping, or murder,but enough to make other people think twice about camping here."

I couldnt get the idea of "The Blair-ea 51 Witch Project." I'm open to movie rights...

My $0.02...

Originally posted by bknapple
All I know is that, lately, these guards are getting really close to the line between a private base, and public laws and rights.

If you are on the base grounds, which begin before you get to the signs, your rights are terminated. Hence the reason they can kill anyone on site with no warning. Despite all that I would still love to go there and do what you do. I planning on doing it in the near future.

Im not going back over this to get quotes, but I went to the Little Ale'Inn this past weekend. I made it a point to ask the three ladies working there if the had heard of this issue. All said no, that nothing like that happened. There was an arrest 6 months ago but nothing like what youre talking about.
If I had been smart I wouldve gotten the ladies names but I didnt want to come across like a cop. We talked about it at great length, what would happen if what you said happened, etc. The people at the Little Ale'inn are on great terms with the base and one look at the wall of military patches shows the love.

I'm not going to come out and call you a liar, or whatever, but I will say that the employees working heard nothing of this. And you can tell by the homely version of this tavern that if one knows, they all know.

For the record the lady I talked to was a relatively large, older greying woman. She was very sweet, and incredibly nice to put up with out patronage. She had an air of "Ive been here a wile and I know what goes on around these parts" to her.

reply to post by kthulu


The woman you talked to would be the owner. She didn't know because our waitress whom we told the story to doesn't work there anymore. She moved to Las Vegas. If you want to ask someone there who still knows, ask Cody, that would be the grandson of the woman you spoke to. He knows the story, he even gave us an extra sleeping bag to sleep on that night by mere happenstance. Tell him the story involved a couple where the girl eats her grists with cheese on them. He'll immediately remember.

As to why they didn't hear, who knows. They have to deal with a lot of stuff there and this was a little while ago now.

One thing I hate here on ATS is peoples tendencies to think everyone who posts is a liar. I have often said if I saw a UFO and even took a picture, I for SURE wouldnt post it here.

I understand that you believe what your saying to be the truth, but too many people think its false because too many errors in your story. Wether thats true or not, its still a reality here and you have to deal with it. One way or the other, reading your story was entertaining, and I wish you the best of luck.

I've given my reasons for why I might disbelieve you before, and for me thats about it. Even in that case it didnt stop me from going to the warning signs last Sunday.

I also see where it could happen. Take away the errors, and what he is saying is more believable than seeing a UFO, not that that crowd gets any more love here at ATS.

I hear alot of lies in my line of work. small ones, like "oh I like your Father in law! "or "That dress makes you look thin!" and big ones like "I swear I never cheated on you with your sister!" or "Los Alamos Hard drive?" What Los Alamos Hard drive?"
but most of them when I'm drunk at parties. unless they somehow affect me personally, or simply annoy me to no end, I just smile at the person telling it, and say "Wow. Thanks for sharing." and promptly excuse myself to refill my drink.

I doubt you're ever going to win over this crowd, even with a decent backup story. But I aint mad at ya, and if we ever wind up in Rachel, maybe we'll split a Cherea 51, and laugh at John Lears picture on the wall.

Now, wheres the bartender? I appear to have a hole in my sippy cup...

Originally posted by SystemiK
My god, I believe I could post claiming to have just eaten lunch and soon be beset with people claiming HOAX.

Do you have PROOF that you had lunch? Pictures? Witnesses?

And I don't want some 12 hour stool sample, either. That could be from someone else, or just some hoax!

reply to post by kthulu


Thanks for the post. I hear ya. When I posted it, I honestly did not expect nor want such attention/scrutiny. The errors you speak of, I believe I answered so many times. I just fail to see where I made errors in my story. The only error I made was taking the camera and locking it in a car after all that had happened. My story never changed. But thanks for giving it a shot.

How easily can you get to Rachel, Vegas local here so its fairly simple for me.

reply to post by bknapple


How did you determine it was a "very large gun" simply by the sound of them "making it ready to fire"?

Originally posted by bknapple32
reply to post by kthulu

 

How easily can you get to Rachel, Vegas local here so its fairly simple for me.

Was this a statement or a question? It can be read both ways.

We just went north on 93, and turned left on 375. As you know, its about an 1 1/2 hour drive.
BTW, a question popped into my head when making that turn onto 375. Is that abandoned building that offered Alien Jerky the building called "The Fall-Out Cafe" as seen in Indiana Jones 4? Seemed like a good fit.
I'm not a Vegas local, I was just there this weekend to get married, and see the sights. The idea popped up about going to Area 51, since my father in law is as much a nut as I am about the place, and we decided to go for it.
Rachel was our first stop, then the mailbox, then the signs.

It was probably the best part of going to Vegas outside of getting married.

I thought about posting my photos and experiences here but it was no where near anything Above Top Secret. Kinda like they say about the Star Trek 4D ride, if you arent into that sort of thing, its just going to be a waste of time and money.

err..if what you said was a statement then...uh yeah I agree.









[edit on 19-6-2008 by kthulu]