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Originally posted by PatchesOHoulihan
In the case of flight 93, let's say the evil conspirators really did order the shoot down of the plane over shanksville. The pilot is just following orders and knows he has done nothing wrong, but when he opens his newspaper the next day, or in the following weeks, the story he will read will be the one about the passengers fighting back. The pilot may well be compartmentalised, as may be all the ground support crew (including the weapons crew - "Hey, you fired your missiles?") but they are not unaware of the story which is being reported afterwards.
How about the humble worker who has to place this weird looking bit of beat-up kit in a field in shanksville, only to see on tv in the months after 9-11 that self same bit of kit being claimed to be the fdr from flight 93? Does he still remain in his 'compartment' unaware of his part in the deception?
Originally posted by PatchesOHoulihan
In the case of flight 93, let's say the evil conspirators really did order the shoot down of the plane over shanksville. The pilot is just following orders and knows he has done nothing wrong, but when he opens his newspaper the next day, or in the following weeks, the story he will read will be the one about the passengers fighting back. The pilot may well be compartmentalised, as may be all the ground support crew (including the weapons crew - "Hey, you fired your missiles?") but they are not unaware of the story which is being reported afterwards.
How about the humble worker who has to place this weird looking bit of beat-up kit in a field in shanksville, only to see on tv in the months after 9-11 that self same bit of kit being claimed to be the fdr from flight 93? Does he still remain in his 'compartment' unaware of his part in the deception?
Originally posted by PlaneIP
There were 4 tankers airborne that day...2 in Northern NY and 2 off of the coast about 30 miles south of Manhattan. We were the only game in town that day close to everything.
Originally posted by TXRabbit
Again - What about the family members? Why are they not raising bloody hell and demanding formal investigations, follow-ups, hearings etc into everything that happened that day.
Originally posted by PlaneIP
so ya got "Pilot Hadji"
Originally posted by bovarcher
('ah...one of your live warhead missiles is missing, sir. You must have fired it...')
Air Force investigates mistaken transport of nuclear warheads ...
Originally posted by bovarcher
Hi - interesting and informed post, if you are who you claim to be. Would you be prepared to go on the record under your own name? Sorry to put you on the spot, but this would lend your testimony incomparably greater credibility. One of the rules of investigation is you never, EVER give any credence to an 'un-named source.' They ain't worth squat, and are synonymous with fraud.
Most investigators who have been to the site, looked at the facts and interviewed witnesses agree there is no evidence of a F93 shoot-down which stands up to scrutiny.
Then there is the FDR. Those who continue to propagate the shoot-down theory as a rule are unaware of USAF movements or the precise whereabouts of potential interceptors on 9/11, and do not understand in detail the SOP of air defense interception.
4. If there was a shoot-down, why manufacture a cover-story involving passenger mutiny communicated by multiple cellphone calls by a number of different passengers to their wives/husbands/relatives, all on the record? And how and why would the FDR be fabricated? Why bother? Most prople would support a shoot-down in the circumstances. Indeed it would have given credibility to the effectiveness of the Air Defenses, and deflected a lot of subsequent criticism. For the shoot-down theory to have any legs, this anomaly needs to be explained
If there HAD been a shoot-down and it HAD been admitted, then we can be certain that these forums would be full of CTs claiming '93 shoot-down a lie!!! Passengers actually brought the plane down!!!' year after year, ad infinitum. You know how it works.
Originally posted by _Del_
Civil Air Defense wasn't exactly a priority at the time. Planes didn't sit around fuelled and armed ready to go at a moments notice. There were very few alert aircraft available anywhere in the country.
I won't debate how "retarded" the practice was, but there are several good reasons against having masses of fighter's on standby around the clock. In retrospect, there are good reasons to have more available than were.
Originally posted by TXRabbit
reply to post by Maxmars
lol I'm sure if you dig deep enough you'll find out that shapeshifting grey reptiloids from the planet optimal prime brought it down with their invisible cloak beam.