WTC 7 Serious Proof of Controlled Demoltions

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by nicepants
No one reported a series of sequential detonations consistent with a Controlled Demolition. No one.

Really? Or just no one that you will consider?

"There were explosions. There were flashes. There was molten metal running down the I-beams of the basement levels like lava flows. I've never seen anything like it. Yes, planes hit the buildings - anybody who says otherwise is a moron. But the explosions - the rapid, symmetrical, sequential explosions - they happened," states 'Mike'.

www.whatreallyhappened.com...

graphics8.nytimes.com...

"States Mike"? Mike Who? I wasn't able to find that quote on either of the URLs you posted. Perhaps you could clarify where you got that quote from .

Originally posted by Griff
To sit there an exclaim "no one" is disingeneous, bordering on lying. And you know it.
[edit on 4/10/2008 by Griff]

I hadn't heard that "mike" quote before...but again, I'll need to see the source for that.

Reading through some of the responses, I see it being argued that there were no explosions reported at WTC-7. That is false. While the cause and nature of what was witnessed may be disputable, I submit these videos...








There is more evidence to support controlled demoltions than not.

You debbunkers, What if 911 was an inside job and was used as a pretext to invade Afghanistan, Iraq, and now possibly IRAN?

You should entertain the idea. I for one was a 'debunker' untill i read all the evidence and was made aware of all the stonewalling that was involved in impeding a proper investigation.

It was in short time that I became aware of the TRUTH that the official story was a riddle wrapped in an enigma topped with lies.


[edit on 10-4-2008 by IvanZana]

This just up on infowars...

www.infowars.com...

Very good read.

This thread is a good one but I just can't debate building 7 with anyone any longer and in fact, I just plain feel sorry for anybody who still believes building 7 was not imploded intentionally. No offense intended but this is a REALLY bad sign. There is a delusion like no other over the land.


The irony of it all is that many of these people are going to be singing a different tune probably sooner or later. (Next "terror" attack anyone?)

reply to post by IvanZana

Are you hiding the evidence to prove this point?


Is half of 9/11 truth just making up stuff about 9/11 due to political bias or anti-war feelings?

Oh. Are you making up 9/11 false information because you do not like the invasions? Did you know Iraq was not related to 9/11. Saddam was such a nice guy we decided he had to go after shooting at our planes for over 10 years, and not obeying the rules after he lost the gulf war.

This is 9/11 stuff, making up stuff due to political bias is not a good idea.
Evidence is best. WTC7, if you burn all day, you will not have much at the end. Fires not fought will destroy your building; the examples are countless. Ask a fireman.

Originally posted by beachnut
reply to post by IvanZana

 

Fires not fought will destroy your building; the examples are countless. Ask a fireman.

Nobody has been able to show ANY examples of any building that has been brought down by fire in the manner of World trade center 1,2,7

You know the world trade centers were brought down with controlled demolitions, why are you trying to insult peoples intelligence with lies and fantastic theories from debunked sources?


Can you show me 3 examples of fire destroying a steel structure over 30 stories. These examples must not have a rubble pile bigger than the tiny rubble pile of WTC 7.??



[edit on 10-4-2008 by IvanZana]

See below. Double post.

[edit on 4/10/2008 by Griff]

Originally posted by beachnut
Is half of 9/11 truth just making up stuff about 9/11 due to political bias or anti-war feelings?

I know this post wasn't directed at me.

First, I have no political biasnes. I am actually more conservative than liberal. Whatever those mean anymore. I guess right of the middle. I have no really huge problem with Bush anymore than I do with others. So, in other words, I don't believe I have a biasness. But, I'm open to the possibility.

Can you say the same?

and not obeying the rules after he lost the gulf war.

Oh, the "rules". And we've been so good at keeping those.

This is 9/11 stuff, making up stuff due to political bias is not a good idea.
Evidence is best. WTC7, if you burn all day, you will not have much at the end. Fires not fought will destroy your building; the examples are countless. Ask a fireman.

Please back that up. And I'm not talking about flimsy roofing steelthat collapses (partially) either. I want a full on collapse of a structural steel-framed building. Thanks.

Can anybody here please try and answer my last question from page 9? People always avoid this, among many other questions. I would really appreciate since on this site, I am labeled as a whacko or a possible govt. agent because I do not believe 9/11 was done by our govt.

reply to post by Comsence2075


Since you think no one has responded to your question. I figured I'd quote my post directly below your post on page 9.

Originally posted by Griff
reply to post by Comsence2075

 

About your question. Imagine if it wasn't our government but another government and our government is hiding the fact that they f'ed up and let it happen?

Would all the people involved in that other government be so willing to talk? Do we tell other nations what we've done?

I think you are focusing on our government and not encompassing another nation that doesn't give 2-sh*ts about our people. Why would they feel guilty and inclined to confess?

WOW! is all I can say there is overwhelming proof of C.D. listed here and I have researched it my self I truly believe all buildings were demoed. All the people on here trying to say otherwise it is almost like they absolutely refuse to look at the evidence it is almost as it they were to believe it was and inside job it would be to overwhelming for them so they just keep repeating the same stuff almost as if they have to keep telling themselves their right because it is just to scary for them to believe. Just my opinon

[edit on 10-4-2008 by Buddyweiser]

reply to post by IvanZana


Hey, this was mine...!

Reading through some of the responses, I see it being argued that there were no explosions reported at WTC-7. That is false. While the cause and nature of what was witnessed may be disputable, I submit these videos...

I'll let you slide this time Ivan. But don't forget the quotes next time there bud.

Originally posted by Griff
reply to post by Comsence2075

 

Since you think no one has responded to your question. I figured I'd quote my post directly below your post on page 9.

Originally posted by Griff
reply to post by Comsence2075

 

About your question. Imagine if it wasn't our government but another government and our government is hiding the fact that they f'ed up and let it happen?

Would all the people involved in that other government be so willing to talk? Do we tell other nations what we've done?

I think you are focusing on our government and not encompassing another nation that doesn't give 2-sh*ts about our people. Why would they feel guilty and inclined to confess?

I know you did but in three different threads, you were the only one to try and I appreciate it, but don't feel your answer explains it.

reply to post by Comsence2075


I will return in a moment to address some of your posts. I think your questions are genuine, but have gotten swept up among the work of some baiting trolls that really are not interested in the truth. Please stand-by while I go re-read some of your posts.

reply to post by Comsence2075

One of the biggest questions I have regarding all the theories of our government being involved in 9/11 is due to simple human nature...What I mean is if 9/11 was an, "inside job," it would have HAD to have been a HUGE cover-up from many people with knowledge in the highest ranks of our government, to news media, law enforcement, etc.

The truth is, that not very many people would have really had to know much at all. "Compartmentalization" keeps operatives involved in any operation from knowing the true nature of that operation. Many people probably had roles to play, certainly, but most had no idea what their work was done for.

Then there are those who may have some suspicions after the fact. But as you can see just by reading the board here, that no one is about to take any suspicions at face value. Therefore, no one has any real motivation to throw away their careers, and even possibly their lives on a hunch.

Then there are the people who might actually have some hard evidence. These people know without a doubt that their lives would be in jeopardy if they were to come out. After all, the perpetrators already just got away with murdering 3000 Americans. I also wonder, if there was more to the outing of the CIA officer by the Bush Administration. I believe this was a direct threat to anyone in the intelligence community who might know something, or who might come across evidence in the future.

We also must consider that even people with hard evidence, really have no outlet or forum to present it. All of the news we see on television comes to us filtered through six companies, maybe less.



Legally they wouldn't be able to present it thanks to the Patriot Act and regular old cronyism.

You may wish to take a peek at this as well...If 9/11 was a domestically complicit conspiracy, how did “they” mess it up so bad?





[edit on 4/10/0808 by jackinthebox]

Thank you for your detailed response. I will check that thread out tomorrow, I need to go to bed. Thanks again.

'Truthers' always ignore the question about how all the explosives were rigged for the supposed CD. It susually somelike like 'It doesn't matter. The point is that they were CDs'.

Aside from al the other evidence, this is the biggest thing that shows it obviously was not a CD. Nobody saw anybody planting anything ?????

There are firemen that have said building 7 had major structural damage from the towers and had major fires burning on virtually every floor all day. And you people wonder why it collapsed ????

Of course the firemen are lying. The video is all controlled byt the government. Anyone with real knowledge of the 'truth' is afraid to step up. blah blah blah

Originally posted by jackinthebox
Then there are the people who might actually have some hard evidence. These people know without a doubt that their lives would be in jeopardy if they were to come out. After all, the perpetrators already just got away with murdering 3000 Americans. I also wonder, if there was more to the outing of the CIA officer by the Bush Administration. I believe this was a direct threat to anyone in the intelligence community who might know something, or who might come across evidence in the future.

If such people exist, the information they have is the only thing that can protect them. Anyone with solid proof of this conspiracy should speak up...for their own safety. The media storm generated from something like that would be enough to protect that person from a sudden "disappearance". A whistleblower on a scale such as this would likely avoid serious punishment for their part, if any, in the conspiracy, so that wouldn't be a concern either.

In short, to suggest that there are people with solid proof of a conspiracy are out there, but afraid to come forward, is ridiculous. The only thing for them to be afraid of is not being heard!

reply to post by nicepants

The media storm generated from something like that would be enough to protect that person from a sudden "disappearance".

You mean the media storm that would somehow happen without the approval of the few corporations who control all national media? The same media storm that Phil Donahue started when he said going into Iraq was a bad idea?

The only thing for them to be afraid of is not being heard!

Tell that to the intelligence people who's lives depend on remaining hidden. Besides, are you telling me that you would honestly believe it if someone came out and said they helped plant bombs in the WTC? As much as I might like to, I don't even think I would believe them.

The only way any of this would come out, is if the people who knew something all came out at once. But compartmentalization makes that impossible.

EDIT to add: And also keep in mind that there actually are high ranking people who have come out against the official story, and no one seems to care. They know how this stuff works, but no one bothers to listen to them.



[edit on 4/11/0808 by jackinthebox]

reply to post by dirtonwater

'Truthers' always ignore the question about how all the explosives were rigged for the supposed CD.

There is plenty of evidence to suggest that a covert op might have taken place at the WTC in the weeks leading up to the attacks. Everything from widespread construction dust, to mysteriously closed off areas, to irregularities in security procedures.

There are firemen that have said building 7 had major structural damage from the towers and had major fires burning on virtually every floor all day. And you people wonder why it collapsed ????

Not only do I wonder why it collapsed when fire has never caused such a collapse before in the history of steel buildings, I also wonder how it collapsed so neatly.

Of course the firemen are lying.

Perhaps not, like when they told news crews that the building (7) was going to "blow up."

reply to post by dirtonwater



It was rigged during the time of the electrical shutdown just before 9-11.There is plenty of discussion elsewhere about this: The Towers were undergoing strange changes all over and drills and power downs as well. The explosives that cut the steel into sections was placed in advance of the DEW weapons used on the Towers.

The Towers were attacked not with ONE type of explosive, but many. The DEW is the ONLY answer that fits all the evidence. We see obvious explosions..undeniable..the Towers were turned into DUST by DEW. No other way. Look at that picture above showing the incredible expulsion UP and OUT of material being turned to dust right in front of our eyes..you can see it. Huge clouds of dust are NOT caused by a building weakening and crumbling to the ground from stress.

Why would a Tower falling and toppling, or even crushing, turn to dust? The bones of the victims were in tiny shards, many smaller than a toothpick..any reason for THAT in a collapse? Huh? How would a collapse blow a body up? MOST of the remains were in tiny shards. Only DEW can tear apart materials at that level and that speed. People who imagine tons and tons of explosives placed all over the Towers are looking at it all wrong: There were explosives and chemicals, yes. But the main event was DEW, from either a space or aerial platform. And you know what THAT means, don't you, boys and girls? Inside job.

Conventional explosives were used to make sectioning of the steel easier for fast disposal...they had it already planned to rush all the steel out of the country, and did so. But explosives in a quantity sufficient to turn the Towers into dust would have been more than obvious and impossible to hide. No, it was DEW courtesy of the Space Command and General Myers. The behind the scenes players spin it as an attack from the outside on our computers and not our fault. The truth is that it was all inside all the way, with Israel smakcking it's lip's and satisfied at the results; they had a major role in the actual set up and execution. Neocon Mossad folks are thick as flies now in Washington, and they are ravenous and dangerous.

Anyone who thinks that Israel and the Neocons would not sacrifice 3000, or three million, of US in order to rule the planet better wake up and smell the treason!! We were taken in a coup on 9-11, openly thrown in the face of the loyal American military men, who must be suffering badly now. Better to stay silent and keep their retirement, and life..or tell the truth and risk it all? No wonder we still are sitting here 7 years later discussing this instead of being able to replay the trial and execution of the perps from the Hauge.