World's largest experiment set to go off with a Big Bang

Uh, how about the fact that they are already using large particle accelerators? Just not as large as this one. Some of you people are as ridiculous as your theories. Wait a minute, were still here right? Or are we already in a time warp?

"Lets take a world wide vote"? Are you serious? We can barely accomplish a nationwide vote. Not to mention they are just going to scrap this multi-billion dollar project because a bunch of uneducated/miseducated tree huggers decide this is going to destroy the planet? OK then you have to repay all that money that was wasted.

Seriously.

Hmm I smell Half Life 2, pretty much someone takes over as ruler after this happens, and cities like City 17 and police who don't like anyone, and a coup d'etat afterwards.

Yeah, some people seem to have misplaced their textbooks, given up looking, and learned everything from half life. Understandably as that was a freaking amazing game!

Anyhow, no. No horrible black holes ripping the earth apart. No inter dimensional rifts opening up with Dr. Breen trying to kill you.

We would have seen some form of indicator in so many of the particle colliders that have been operated closer to these levels. There is no more reason to fear a black hole in this collider than there is in Barney's fear of cats. (If you don't get the reference I'm not helping you.)

With that being said... I'm having difficulty finding the thing...
Now, I'm here, so how do I get...



Sorry, too many HL references, couldn't help it.

Whatever happens I bet it will be pretty disappointing.

All of these "great" feats like nuclear power, the internet, fossilized proof of life on Mars, Hubble telescope, International Space Station, organ transplants, etc.. and what do we get? A bunch of protesting hippies, more porn than anyone could ever need, a really really expensive rock nobody cares about, some pretty pictures nobody cares about, an orbiting tin-can nobody cares about and a way to keep drunks drinking after they kill their own livers.

I kind of hope this thing kills us all. At least that would be interesting, momentarily.

Originally posted by gekko
27jd doesn't say where this quote is from.

Um, yes he did. Read again. I said it was from the source, meaning the news source that opened this thread. Guess I wasn't specific enough for a person explaining the physics behind black holes.

And I wasn't seriously saying that something bad will come of it like that movie. It was just funny to me because I just watched it and the next day I read of an experiment that sounds alot like what they were doing in the movie. However, it's also funny to me that a few of you are all so sure nothing bad will happen, when even the scientists who are actually working on it are not 100% sure. Yeah, we're smart, but I feel it's just a tad wreckless for monkeys to be opening black holes on their planet, even if those monkeys feel they have a firm handle on the universe. I dunno, guess it's just me.



[edit on 8-4-2008 by 27jd]

im saying right now i did not read the whole thread, so sorry if anyone has said something like this, but I recommend the book Angles and Demons, by Dan Brown (author of the davinci code.) it deals with all the moral issues of using an LHC and making "antimatter" a potential use of the LHC.
its on my list of favoret books

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i seem to remember when i was a kid that the horse and buggy was a lot of fun -----a lot more fun than the cars i've had to have to get me to work to earn a living after school was over.

now i don't have to work anymore i wish our kids would take our 2 cars and let my wife and i get back to the simple life we prefer.

flanked you are right about the money that scientists are allowed to waste on their research that in the end will probably be used to invent more lethal weapons to kill people with on a bigger scale

Unforseen consiquences.

Well I say lets go for it. Hell, whatever happens is going to be more exciting then what we got going on these days. Still, what if something goes wrong? Oh, well, because it will prove that there isn't someone out there that cares about us. Right?

I've actually read quite a few articles about this thing and seen some pretty cool stuff on the discovery channel about the construction of it and I'm actually pretty excited, and if it goes horribly wrong... well I can think of worse ways to die lol.

The plot thickens

Key scientist sure "God particle" will be found soon

GENEVA (Reuters) - British physicist Peter Higgs said on Monday it should soon be possible to prove the existence of a force which gives mass to the universe and makes life possible -- as he first argued 40 years ago.

Higgs said he believes a particle named the "Higgs boson," which originates from the force, will be found when a vast particle collider at the CERN research centre on the Franco-Swiss border begins operating fully early next year.

So thats what they are looking for!

I have to say it, lol.. and I am really surprise this hasn't come up .. Didnt that John Titor guy say something about this. LOL not that I believe the guy but, if you read it, its kinda creepy.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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But any of our lives could be snuffed out at anytime, whether it be from a heart attack or an aneurysm. We can't prevent our passing anymore than we can stop the sun from rising. When it's our time, nothing will stop that.

To worry about something like this killing us would be at best nonsensical, and at worst, ridiculous. These scientists didn't just throw this together with no forethought about what it would do when it was fired up. True, they don't know, but we don't know if we're going to die in our sleep tonight, now do we? If we did, would we even bother to go to sleep?

Something to think about. Sweet dreams...

TheBorg

Well if it destroys us all this year ... at least it will put an end to those 2012 theorists.

Then again ... maybe a black hole will be created that takes until Dec 2012 to grow big enough to take us out

What the heck ... we aint worth saving anyway.

would pretty much end all the recession worries too wouldnt it? lol

actually, if this thing creates a black hole that, as the one guy put it, goes into the earths core and sucks us in from the inside out...its the people living in the hollow earth that are going to be the most pissed rofl

Originally posted by 27jd
Wow, does this remind anybody else here of the movie that just came out on DVD, The Mist??

From the source...

The collider may also reveal more exotic phenomena such as anti-matter, the opposite of ordinary matter, mini black holes and even extra dimensions.

From the movie...

With the discovery that two soldiers from the Arrowhead Project committed suicide during the expedition's absence, the remaining soldier (Samuel Witwer) reveals that the project, an attempt to look into other dimensions, was the origin of the mist.
en.wikipedia.org...(film)

They called it the Arrowhead project, while the real life one is the Alice project. Man, I hope it doesn't turn out like that one did.

There were only one source link in your post, and that was to the wiki on the movie. No links to anywhere talking about colliders n' stuff. In retrospect I realized you were talking about the source for the original story. Anyway, I don't have any beef with you, sorry if you read it that way.

On topic; I personally prefer to base my guesses on what might happen on the actual knowledge that we do have, however limited it may be. Does anyone have any scientific reason to believe that "time rifts", "dimension shifts" or any other weird stuff could happen?

The scentists don't know 100% that the planet isn't going to be swallowed whole by the the Flying Spaghetti Monster once they fire up this machine. So what? I'm agnostic. I claim that no-one can know anything 100%. If anything, it's a good thing that they are somewhat humble about their own understanding of the universe.

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Originally posted by gekko
Anyway, I don't have any beef with you, sorry if you read it that way.

Nah, I didn't read it that way. I'm agnostic as well, and I'm not well versed in all the theories behind this or the actual experience scientists have with this technology. I was just sharing my surprise that I read this the day after watching the sci-fi movie where an experiment to look into other dimensions (Arrowhead project) led to the other dimension leaking into our own, and the creatures there were all pretty disagreeable. Good movie, except the ending is pretty horrible. This experiment in which the source article quoted one of the scientists as saying it could possibly reveal alternate dimensions, and is named 'project Alice' (through the looking glass, I assume), is just creepily similar to me. We both agree, nothing is 100%, and the thought of monkeys opening black holes in their own backyard, is just a little unsettling. Not that I think they should scrap it or anything, they have a better understanding of it than I do I readily admit, and I'm not one of those who turns into Chicken Little over everything I read. We'll just have to wait and see how things go.

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One of these times were gonna let genie out of the bag ,and poof.

Originally posted by Essedarius

This is such a horrible idea.

If the video game Half Life has taught me anything its that machines like this one will do nothing but create a dimensional tear that will allow evil aliens into our world.

good one

I see so many posters defending this action based on the fact that there are currently other particle accelerators in use, only not as large. Well, if those current accelerators are the same, only smaller, then why don't those give them the answers to the universe? Why does it have to be a supervillain size? The current particle accelerators are not the same as this one, and size is not the only difference. They expect this one to give the answers to our creation, our universe's creation, that is pretty big news, and news they cannot get with the currently used particle accelerators, there is no comparison to what we currently have and what this new super sized accelerator will do. We don't know what it will do. The scientists' don't know what it will do. One thing is for sure, we either get the answers to the universe, or undo creation. Either one is phenomenal.