Who believes 100% we have been visited by aliens?

Believe 100%

There's just too much evidence - even if not "Proof"....

I'm curious, is there a chance that ufology is more related to religion than we think?

We'll throw some evidence, lets say a bible, some artifacts and some pictures. The rest (about 95%) is down to you: its called 'faith'.

Our faith in UFO's is just that - until they are identified or we know exactly who / what is driving them, then we are just exercising 'faith' in something we do not know enough about (hate to be the skeptic here). For example, it's almost impossible to seperate a true contactee from a complete hoaxer until they tell you who they are - prior to that its 'I'm bought', 'I want to believe', etc. Watch the last hoaxer site (still posted) and you will see what I mean.

Based on what I have seen on this site (for only a short time) when a so-called insider starts to develop their story (Alice in Wonderland or not) they are chased down like no other rabbit I know.

The thirst for knowledge is almost tantamount to feeling if they don't get their little fix for the week, they will stop believing - fear of being alone - ATS is their confession box, their church.

We are not alone?....Ahhhhh...thank God, (or whoever).

i believe aliens have been here. i know several people who have had some kind of UFO sighting

Originally posted by Nohup
But does it mean "aliens" are afoot? I don't see how it's possible to make the jump from point A to point B.

Well, assuming that his/her story was true (and you're right, there's no reason to assume it isn't) I'd say that 'Aliens' is a logical and rational conclusion in that scenario. After all, we don't have sample specimens of large reptilian winged humanoids utilizing disc shaped craft that were born and bred on Earth, do we? (No offense to those who believe such, I'm speaking of evidence for such in the 'mainstream' public mass media sort of way)

I'm really not trying to be sarcastic here. I actually think in this case (especially if there is evidence to back up the claim, but it's not necessary for a theoretical...) Aliens is the simplest answer.

Originally posted by Nohup
As noted above, our level of both perceptual and technological development may be severely limiting our ability to comprehend what these things even are.

I absolutely agree, they could be a lot of things. But since science has now proven the existence of other G class stars, and extra-solar planets in orbit around other stars, and has provided us with an enormous estimate of the universe's size, isn't it much easier to rationalize the 'Alien' argument than to go any further until you've refuted it? (When investigating a case)

I'm just saying, skepticism extends to the ETH (extra-terrestrial hypothesis). At some point in our investigations, when all of the terrestrail options have been excluded, we MUST as skeptical researchers turn then to the next most likely possibility. That's the ETH. I'm not saying it's the right answer, I just think it's important to include the hypothesis in order of possibility (in the perspective of known science). That's how we get from point A to point B, it's the next most logical solution.

Originally posted by Nohup
I personally think that "aliens from other planets" is a kind of dull, unimaginative explanation.

Now here we agree completely! In fact, after the discoveries pertaining to our known universe over the past 2 decades, I'm really wondering how ANYONE is still holding to the old Carl Sagan slogan 'Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence' as that slogan no longer seems to apply to the ETH. The evidence is out there, and the better our telescopes get the better we're able to see it. Sagan's axiom still works in general terms, I suppose, but as far as the ETH goes, the hypothesis should no longer be considered that extra-ordinary. It's really just the next step in logical reasoning.

Originally posted by Nohup
There are so many other possible options when considering these things, including the nearly unbeatable "I don't know," that I don't see how people can just decide that it's aliens.

Yes I'll agree with this too, however with note. That note being that sometimes it's the next most rational explanation. But in general yes I agree. In fact I'm still investigating the Battle of Los Angeles, because I don't 'know' it was an Alien Spaceship, even though at this point in my investigation it seems like the next most rational possibility.

Originally posted by Nohup
Even if the aliens stepped out of their ship right in front of you and told you they were from Epsilon Eridani, unless they give you some real good proof, you can't reasonably even believe THEM! Why should you? Why can't aliens (or something or someone pretending to be alien) be complete liars?

While it's very true that you shouldn't necessarily believe they were from Epsilon Eridani (nice choice by the way, beautiful name for a system ), you COULD safely assume that they weren't from Earth. That's a big distinction that I feel was missing in your text.

Originally posted by Nohup
There's also the idea that there is more than one explanation. Yeah, some flying saucers might be aliens, but that doesn't mean they all are. And some descriptions of encounters are just so damned weird that (assuming they're accurate, and there's no reason to assume otherwise) they just don't make any sense at all. So baffling that even the explanation of "aliens from space" is just too ordinary and mundane to explain them.

I agree, however it does remain the most likely explanation, once terrestrial explanations have been exhausted. You're right, it might not be the right theory, but in my view it's the most likely.

Great post Nohup I agree with a lot of what you said there.

-WFA

Not have been, but are being visited by aliens.

Highly likely in my book, but I wouldnt like to say for sure either way.

I think the real question is:
Who believes 100% we have been visited by our own common sense?

There's virtually endless amounts of information about this subject with proof all across the board from all areas and walks of life. All the base technologies of our modern advancements for the past 100 years was most definitely from other(alien) sources.
Wake up.....your common sense!!!!!!

I not only believe we have been visited, but that we are owned by something beyond our wildest imaginations. That something is operating in the back ground of our projected reality.

Originally posted by WorldShadow
I not only believe we have been visited, but that we are owned by something beyond our wildest imaginations. That something is operating in the back ground of our projected reality.

This is the most evolved and intelligent thing I've ever heard anybody say here at ATS.
In the movies, "The Matrix" is a concept based around computers and AI. I have an understanding that reality is being directed by a much more advanced technology than just computer chips and nut and bolts. This could be called a "dimensional matrix". For the most part, this panet's knowledge is limited to the technology that we can observe only in this dimension of physical plane. The concept of time and space as well as the laws of physics are much different in other dimensions and most certainly can be munipulated.
There is soul capturing physics and technology that we have not even grapsed much of a hint of information on thus far. Yet we base our lives upon those ideas and religions that try to explain our lack of knowledge of this situation.
The truth is still out there....
Meaning that we still have a whole lot more truth to find......

Originally posted by WorldShadow
I not only believe we have been visited, but that we are owned by something beyond our wildest imaginations. That something is operating in the back ground of our projected reality.

Someone beat me to this but YEP. WorldShadow.. you are brilliant!



PS: sorry for the one liner -- interesting observations realanswers -- and worthy of contemplation Not sure if I agree with you on everything but good food for thought nonetheless!




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I would never claim to know that aliens are or are not visiting our planet. Unless I had witnessed them directly and I could be certain that no trickery or deception was involved, it would be arrogant of me to make such a presumption in my opinion. The word "know" is very powerful. It implies an utmost certainty in a factual truth. Seeing as how I can't technically even prove that I'm sitting here right now and typing this, using the words "I know" with respect to alien visitation would be a bold claim indeed.

So, what can I honestly say that I believe, or more to the point, that I know? What I do truly believe is that something is happening, and what I know is merely that I am one of those experiencing this unknown “something.” Knowledge of what that "something" is and what it implies as yet continue to elude me. There are a number of possibilities, all of which I have seen, heard, and/or read multiple examples of evidence in support of. Off the top of my head, these include, among others:

• A new psychological or social phenomenon about which we know too little to quantify, explain, or document systematically enough to explain all of its facets.
  
• A highly secretive program conducted by some government (or other) agency, and utilizing hallucinogens, hypnosis, and other means in order to conceal its operations, personnel, purpose, and nature by causing its subjects to recall their experiences as alien in nature.
  
• A new phase of human evolution about which we know too little to explain or rationalize thus far.
  
• A spiritual phenomenon of some sort, perhaps not in compliance with currently accepted physical laws or reality constructs.
  
• Some form of temporal and/or interdimensional attempt at contact which we have misinterpreted as being alien in nature.
  

The plain truth is that neither I nor anyone else (save for cases of genuine, direct contact - and even then, we have only our senses and memories on which to base our conclusions, which for all we know might be lying to us) can know with absolute certainty which, if any, of these possibilities is at play in the purported alien visitation phenomenon.

So in answer to the OP's question:

My belief in the possibility that aliens are visiting Earth is 100% Likewise, my belief that people are genuinely experiencing something - myself among them - is 100%

However, my belief that aliens definitely visit the Earth and/or interact with human beings is, as with many other possibilities I am forced to consider on a daily basis, 50% because I "don't know." I want to, though, and can only hope that one day I will.

I am 99+% certain that we have been/are being visited. Absolutes are difficult to accept. I have heard us compared in many ways to the intelligence of our visitors, like we are plants, cows, apes in the zoo, etc compared to "them." Perhaps, but those plants and animals have no cities, automobiles or flying devices as we do, so while the I.Q. difference is vast, it is sometimes overestimated. Sure, their craft can leave our best fighter jets in the dust, but I don't see any flying cows. Our technology would seem magical to humans of just a few centuries ago. We are in the middle of a technological explosion, most likely aided by what I call "Roswellian Technology." I am old enough to remember when our T.Vs and radios had vacuum tubes in them. If one merely considers the many, many different varieties and levels that life can exist here on Earth, it very logically follows that there are virtually endless possibilities in the universe.

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I think we have been visited, but maybe a total of 5 times or something really small. You see 100,000 UFO pictures / videos a year, I bet less than .5% are real.

Hey if you really want to make your opinion count, take the POLL...

Take The POLL

You don't have to vote, but I'm pretty sure all options are covered to make this poll one of the better more accurate ones... However, more people need to cast a vote for it to be of any value... !!!

As far as this thread is concerned I voted yes they do exist along with aliens and they do visit...

peace!

Even if someone personally hasn't seen a UFO they believe to be not of this earth...

The Drake equation, pretty much sums it up beyond doubt mathematically IMO, that intelligent life is out there in more numbers then most think.

The equation is here if anyone hasn't heard of it.

en.wikipedia.org...

100% believer here. I have been to Egypt, been inside pyramids and have seen drawings of Greys, and discs shaped objects. Good Thread!

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neo2012,

Have you read any of Sleeper's threads, especially this one....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

He goes into great lengths about his own UFO/ET experiences which are very profound and I for one believe what he is talking about. He has a book out too called, "In League with a UFO". Also, at the bottom of his posts he put up a Blog from one of the experiences that he had at one point....GREAT READ!!

Of course, everyone should believe in UFO's/ET because it's obvious that we as humans on this planet are too immature and savage to have gotten this far without help. Of course, it's our soul, in the end, that will survive it all and things will get better. I mean, of course ET has been with us since we've been on this rock. We can't be so naive to think we are the only ones in the entire universe or even this SOLAR SYSTEM for that matter! Look at the pyramids, do any of you REALLY think we actually built all those thousands of years ago.....RIGHT

Great thread OP and I hope you read Sleeper's threads and blog, you'll like it.


Purduegrad05

Originally posted by Ramb0
100% believer here. I have been to Egypt, been inside pyramids and have seen drawings of Greys, and discs shaped objects. Good Thread!

Ramb0,

I posted my response which included a line about the Pyramids before I saw what you wrote.....you were really inside the Pyramids???!!!!! I thought that was forbidden or something?? Did you take any pictures of the drawings on the walls? Was there any writings of any kind inside the pyramids?? It's plainly obvious that the Pyramids were not of our creation and I LMAO when I see that show, "Engineering Egypt" on TV that tells how we think the Pyramids were built.....what a joke, LOL!!

Anyway, I hope you can post some pictures or something, that would be great. But I take your word for it.

Purduegrad05

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I sure do, I have no doubt they have been here as long as us, if not longer

in fact i wonder if there was ever a post in ats with examples of ancient to midevil art, and having a discussion from there....

if not i'll upload some examples tomarrow and start one myself

damn my spelling

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by MajKarma
although the “craft” was seen by the others that were camping with me but they are all dead now. You can believe what you want.

You saw a craft last week while camping and your fellow campers are all dead now. I'd like to hear more about this incident!!

thanks
whaaa

What I wrote was "that last week I posted my story"; I was referring to an incident that happened on a camping trip in 1969 and yes, the 3 people that were with me have since died, 1 cancer, 1 auto wreck and 1 killed in action while on tour in Viet Nam. However, no, I don't think I will tell you more about it...please step back behind the rope Sir. lol

I'm 50% sure it's aliens and 50% sure that it's the Establishment up to no good.

Too many unexplained factors.