Who believes 100% we have been visited by aliens?

I remember reading the dulce book about 5 years ago which changed my outlook on UFOs and aliens.
Before reading the book i had know idea that they could of visited us and be in communication with us, us being the military and gov.
While i was reading it i was thinking that we must be getting close to knowing the truth.

5 years later and while i still read up on the subject everyday i can no longer honestly tell people "they are already here"

Why?

After reading into the subject i no longer believe the dulce book to be true, mainly because of the photos and video that we have are just drawings of the supposed pictures and a remake of what the video may of shown.
Also with the amount of hoaxes on the site and such little evidence to back anything that may be believable may mean that they really arent here.
It could just be experimental craft with the cover story of UFOs.
With so many people claiming to be in the know but say they cant provide evidence just makes me believe that the stories from people in the 70s 80s 90s may just be the same thing but without this website there were less people to interrogate them and too many people wanting to believe without evidence.

Most people say it started with roswell but others say it started 1000s of years ago so if we havent found out the truth by now i,m pretty sure we never will.
I hope to be proven wrong and will never stop trying to find out what is going on but until people stop writing stories and start providing evidence i have to say i am sitting on the fence.

reply to post by neo2012


I can by no means guarantee that 1942 was our first visit, but from the evidence to date it appears to me that the most rational explanation for the Battle of Los Angeles was extraterrestrial visitation.

I'm open to alternate theories, and will subject these theories to the evidence existing upon request. (The thread is linked in my signature)

I hope that helps

-WFA

p.s. from personal sightings, I also 'believe' (I use that word with much reluctance) that some craft I have seen in the skies of Earth are not from this planet.

I do. From the cave paintings of 10s of thousand years ago (some of the most telling evidence IMO),to all the recent sightings and everything inbetween. There's yer evidence. Yep,loads of fake stuff around,but that still leaves the ones that aren't. I've seen one of their ships with my own eyes,so I do KNOW for a FACT that they're hear.


And I don't care what someone thinks of that. I know it,for a fact. And I know it to be fact.

Only completly blindsided people think we're alone in this cerazy old mixed up place. Completly blindsided.

reply to post by neo2012


Hi neo2012,
I'd have to say YES I do believe 100% ... because of personal experience. I'm not some 'loony-toon' who see's every anomoly in the sky as total proof, far from it, I'm actually quite sceptical about many reports in this field.

I've only seen one thing that could have possibly been a UFO (in Dec 1994), although that is not the thing that made me a believer because it may have had another explanation that I'm not aware of.

However, an experience I had in (1995), left me a total convert because it was up close and very personal ... and to date there is no other possible explanation. I have two old threads about the experience (you can find links to these threads on my profile if you want to read them).

That experience literally changed the way I look at everything (in a good way). As I said, I am not one of the many crazy's that regularly seem to crawl out of the woodwork; and people can believe or disbelieve me as they wish ... it's irrelevent to me ... but I think my account has been helpful to a few people because of the down-to-earth (no pun intended), approach I have to the whole thing.

I don't know if 'they' live amongst us or not ... or whether the military/governments are privvy to extraterrestrial technology ... the only thing I am certain of is my own experience ... and only then when all other possibilities had been dismissed.

I think it's unfortunate that there are so many hoaxers concerning UFO's and Aliens because people (especially on sites like this) are becoming desensitized *spelling* to the whole thing and we are in danger of dismissing the real sightings/encounters/abductions (along with the wind-ups) as just more dross.

I was only thinking the other day as I read another thread on the UFO/Alien Forum, that was getting slated without mercy that it's quite likely this has already happened many times over! (like the saying goes 'we need to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater').

Woody

reply to post by neo2012


I absolutely guarantee you there is something to all this. Does the answer mean "aliens" from another planet? I'm not sure. I tend to not give credit to Roswell because that particular case has so much "baggage." Undoubtedly, there is tons of disinformation originating from private and gov't sources. There is misinformation coming from private and gov't sources. And then there are the hoaxes.

If you look at the evidence you'll find there is just no way for a "super organization" to be hoaxing sightings, abductions etc on a world wide scale. On the otherhand, it certainly doesn't make much sense for aliens to spend their energy to come to our little star system just to mutilate cows, abduct people, land in random fields, perform erradic manuevers in our atmosphere etc.

We have all heard numerous theories... aliens integrating into our society. Aliens concerned about our spirituality. Environmentally friendly aliens concerned about our planet's ecosystem and natural environment. Aliens working with our gov't or a "shadow gov't" in some exchange program. The more I think about these theories the more I'm inclined to throw them all in the trash.

Take a bear, deer, or some wild animal for example. Instinctively they fear humans. On some basic level they know humans are just "above them." They have no chance of ever understanding our motives. How can they understand the necessity for us to build a road through their habitat? How can they understand that we possess knowledge and know more about them (characteristics, habitat) than they know about themselves? We know where their habitat is and our trying our best to not disturb them as we go about our business.

There are many "unexplained phenomena" in this world. Ghosts, Nessie, Bigfoot, Aliens, Fish falling from the sky... to name a few. The one thing these phenomena all have in common is that they are all STRANGE and unexplainable. That definitely has the hallmarks of something "above us." We catch glimpses of "them" here and there in various forms. Fundamentally they are so superior to us that we really can't understand them, where they come from, what they're up to etc? Kind of like the bear.

Technicaly speaking until I see aliens/ufos with my own 2 eyes I will not believe 100% but the arguement your making is silly. How can thousands of people be wrong and the government right? Does this really make any sense to you(????) because it doesn't to me!

Any half-way rationale person that examines even a small portion of the evidence presented will or should quickly come to grips with the situation or at least get a clue.

The same can be said about other paranormal events such as ghosts, bigfoot, sasquash, giant octopus/squid, bermuda triangle, etc...etc. In most cases there truely is an abundance of evidence!

For starters we should all cut down on our hectic schedule and devote some time into this stuff. Watching the nine-o-clock news and thinking your informed is becoming laughable!




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i think aliens have visited us. they prob have visited us before roswell. i bet aliens even created humans.

100% not visited but they have secret bases below ground

I think the answer of this question will vary in relation to geographic origin.

According to Steven Greer, countries that possess nuclear weapons have greatest frequency of vists (US, Russia, UK, China, France etc), whereas neutral - 'less significant' countries have fewest visitation or sightings.

In Ireland, we are well aware of the UFO phenomena, but sightings are rare and less reported. It's also a subject that is not taken seriously here.

Anyone buy into the 'nuclear' issue - that smaller more neutral countries do not appear on the UFO map?? Do the ET's therefore provide for the true missile shield in case of launch?

P.s. I'm on the fence regarding the ufo thing (50%).

Brei

I do not believe us to be alone in the universe i just cant 100% believe that we have been visited.
If the evidence was in such abundance then why is the subject still laughed at, why do we still not know?
After reading the disclosure project a few years ago i thought again this is going to give us our answer but look what has happened, steven greer seems to of gone mad. Also he is always claiming to be in touch with scientists who have free energy machines and yet you never hear anything again( i do believe these machines to exist but believe greer is just trying to gain publicity for his disclosure book etc by claiming to be months away from showing the public a working model)

I have seen things before that i cant explain, a black triangle moving silently, 2 disks chasing each other in daylight, a strange light performing very very quick movements, and yet no one can say that they are definitly ufos.

I want to believe, and have done in the past, but the longer this drags the less likely it is to be true.
With all the technology we possess we still cant come up with 100% proof

100% believer here.

I used to read all the "Devil's Triangle", "Chariots of the Gods" and Big Foot and Loch Ness monster books when I was a kid so I was already 50% there.

Then I saw a UFO...which pushed me to the %80 believer stage (not 100% yet since it was unidentified) but it was seen by others in the area, along with a person who was with me at the time.

Then I started reading and looking at UFO pictures...then the Internet came along, BINGO...pushed me to 100%.

Originally posted by neo2012With all the technology we possess we still cant come up with 100% proof

Our technology is akin to children playing with toys compared to entities capable of interdimensional travele. The visitors may not even be nuts and bolts users. It maybe closer to the paranormal than space travel.

Perhaps our cognitive abilities fall short of even being able to understand
the cosmos. There are an infinite number of dimensions and frequency's that may harbor sentient beings.

We can't define life with our primitive understanding. Intelligent life may be flowing in our veins disguised as something ordinary.

I won't go on about how and why I am a responsible, rational, very will educated person, except to say I am an ex-marine, have my BS in Structural Engineering and am a Stanford MBA who has run as many as 6 banks; that my 53 years of life experience goes way beyond that of a "Potted Plant" as I have referred to some here. You who notice my post can take or leave what I say..it really changes nothing.

Last week I made a post and this will be the last time I will mention it to the air. I saw a blue-orange glowing space craft not of this world 100 feet away flying down the canyon above the Kern River and the next day an 8 or 9 foot tall winged reptile like being in morning daylight about 120 feet away that flew down into the tree line when I saw it. It looked right at me and was not afraid of me.

I am not a trekkie, not a ufoist or nut. There are beings on this planet that are humanoid but far advanced than humans and to which we are like exhibits in a zoo.

I have no pictures, no proof; although the “craft” was seen by the others that were camping with me but they are all dead now. You can believe what you want.

Originally posted by MajKarma
although the “craft” was seen by the others that were camping with me but they are all dead now. You can believe what you want.

You saw a craft last week while camping and your fellow campers are all dead now. I'd like to hear more about this incident!!

thanks
whaaa

My post may not be a popular one but I do have another take on the UFO situation. I have seen things in the sky also. They may be aliens but they could be something similar.

I have had a few experiences with the dark side aka, demons. I have known them to take on all kinds of shapes and are able to manufacture all kinds of phenomena.

I am not discounting the whole UFO thing but I do believe or know that the dark side also does the above. It is not beyond their capacity to create fiction in this way. On the other hand, it would not be beyond them to use actual aliens. I have had quite a bit of experience and have heard unbelievable testimonies regarding demons. It could be a joke they are playing on all of us.

I'm 100% sure they're here and allways have been here - they probably look at us as in the same objective fashion that we use to look at plants, meaning they find us about as intelligent & interesting as a shrub.

Originally posted by whaaa
[We can't define life with our primitive understanding.

I fully agree with this.

Even our scientists are myopic and demand that water be present for life to exist. Energy is life. Life can be in many forms.

And yes .. I fully believe that we've been 'visited' for tens of thousands of years. Heck .. I wouldn't be surprised if we were 'seeded' and are just a science experiment for some alien kid in school somewhere.

Cave drawings .. bible references .. sumerian references ... it's been going on a long time.

Originally posted by neo2012
I hope to be proven wrong and will never stop trying to find out what is going on but until people stop writing stories and start providing evidence i have to say i am sitting on the fence.

That's a fine place to be. The view is really excellent.

Seems like a lot of people just can't take "I don't know" for an answer. They feel like the have to decide - today - whether or not aliens exist or have visited the planet. I just want to tell them to chill out. Look at both sides of the argument. Recognize the strength of the information, but don't ignore the huge holes in the proof.

There's no hurry. Either a definitive event will happen that will answer some questions -- not all the questions, by any means -- or it won't. And you'll get old like I have, and get no closer to the answer, and maybe you'll even die without ever finding out. That's the way the cookie crumbles.

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Originally posted by MajKarma
I have no pictures, no proof; although the “craft” was seen by the others that were camping with me but they are all dead now. You can believe what you want.

You know, I have no reason to doubt what you saw. I've read UFO literature for decades, and your sighting is by no means the weirdest thing ever described.

But does it mean "aliens" are afoot? I don't see how it's possible to make the jump from point A to point B.

As noted above, our level of both perceptual and technological development may be severely limiting our ability to comprehend what these things even are. I personally think that "aliens from other planets" is a kind of dull, unimaginative explanation. There are so many other possible options when considering these things, including the nearly unbeatable "I don't know," that I don't see how people can just decide that it's aliens. Even if the aliens stepped out of their ship right in front of you and told you they were from Epsilon Eridani, unless they give you some real good proof, you can't reasonably even believe THEM! Why should you? Why can't aliens (or something or someone pretending to be alien) be complete liars?

There's also the idea that there is more than one explanation. Yeah, some flying saucers might be aliens, but that doesn't mean they all are. And some descriptions of encounters are just so damned weird that (assuming they're accurate, and there's no reason to assume otherwise) they just don't make any sense at all. So baffling that even the explanation of "aliens from space" is just too ordinary and mundane to explain them.

Weirdness, man. That's what it is. "Alien?" Well, that has yet to be proven in any way, shape or form.

I'm making this percentage up on the spot, but by my opinion, I'd say there's a 75% chance that aliens are visiting Earth or have visited in the past (or sent intelligent probes). I'm also willing to admit that maybe all the UFO activity is caused by our own stuff, but I doubt it. And even if that's so, then there's still a terrible technology coverup.... things that could change the world are being kept secret!

[edit on 3-4-2008 by GrayFox]