Gore's Message to Climate Change deniers

reply to post by tyranny22


I hate to be the pessimist, but if GW is true, it will effect OUR lives, major effects will start being felt in the 10-20-30 year span depending on how much it continues to accelerate. Projections made 5 years from now for 10 or 20 years from NOW, are happening already. This is no longer a "for our grandkids" problem. Like it our not, this is going to be our problem if it turns out to be true.

Global warming, climate change, etc...

These are only terms they coined to "prepare" the masses for the change.
Remember that the earth is completing processional cycle, which occurs approximately every 25,765 years. Correct me if I am wrong but this cycle ends and a new one begins at around 2011 / 2012. I may be wrong.

en.wikipedia.org...(astronomy)

No one really knows what the effect of this could be, or perhaps they do

Anyways I thought you might find it intriguing as well that the poster for Inconvenient truth has some interesting features, notably the "smoke" exiting the stack.

earthscience.files.wordpress.com...
That to me looks much like an image of the Milkyway.
www.atlasoftheuniverse.com...

Point is, change is definitely on the horizon, I feel it, and I am sure you all do too. Now what is up with that?

Peace friends

Whether Global Warming exists or if it is man-made or part of a natural cycle may be up for debate, but one thing is sure; Al Gore lied and exaggerated (also a form of a lie) in his Documentary. Then, he gets awards for a poorly researched and documented product?

I have no issue with those who think Global Warming is man-made even though I tend to not agree. I think the climate is changing and Man plays only a small part with natural cycles being the main cause. The truth is that at this point we do not know for sure what is happening and are not likely to know for some time. We have at most 150 years of reasonable data and I think more like 50 years to be honest. Anyone saying they know when they have so little information is lying plain and simple. Too bad the scientific community has gone political and now lies like a town Mayor.

One thing I'm sure of is that Al Gore could give a crap less about the environment and if he is involved, its for power, money or attention. I'm sure as he flies his private jet to his mansions his heart bleeds for the environment. The saddest part of it all is that he is actually teaching children. This often proved liar, embellisher and spinner of the truth is trusted behind a teachers desk!

Interesting he chose a subject he never studied formally to increase his fame and fortune. He must have seen a weakness he felt he could take advantage of in this emotional topic. Find a weakness, exploit it and watch the money fill your bank accounts. I think that sums it up.

I also find it interesting that so much blame is placed on or felt by us here in the United States. Clearly, environmental problems are being solved here and it is nations like China and India where the real danger lies. Gore is clearly trying to use a ruse to lay the burden of guilt on those who are constantly improving the situation and he and his UN friends are ignoring where the real danger is. The reason for that is clear I think. You can't get guilt money by attacking the real problem; you have to find a way to lay a guilt trip on those who have the money.

Carbon Credits
Perhaps the documentation might become a good EBay item someday?

I do give him credit for inventing the Internet however
Sorry I could not resist.

reply to post by traderonwallst


Global warming is REAL! the question is what is causing it, I don't believe it is all man made, (pollution doesn't help) ozone layer but that's not enough to do some dramatic change in weather so fast. It's almost April and it is snowing in Vancouver, Canada (we don't see snow here, just rain) but the weather has been crazy. There are few reasons for that from my own person conclusion. There are tons of videos on Google.video and Youtube on all the subjects below!

- HAARP - the more I read about the research military is doing there with frequencies pushing the atmospher higher, I can't help but to say these people are playing god with a technology that even they admit not sure what they really do.

- Chem Trail - since this is a public knowledge and we now know we've being doing it for over 50 years can be a cause to all this. Nature is designed to heal it self but when one screws with it's natural cycle by controlling weather it works like a chain reaction will effect something else and so on...

- Lastly there has been a lot of talk about the change in our earths magnetic fields (which we can already see changing earths poles) some say because it is end of 26K cycle, some say planet-x (dwarf star) is getting very close to earth (visible from fall of 2009) and this will shift the magnetic fields on earth which will cause HUGE weather changes. Lot of other talks been about how the heating of earth is caused by the change in our cosmos! Interesting thoughts.



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reply to post by Blaine91555


Eh, carbon credits aside... people's denial of our global crisis is pretty sad. Whether man made or not, we need to work towards a solution (Carbon Credit is probably not that solution, I agree).

Lay off of the strawman and slandering. Quit attacking Al Gore. He's just the messanger, albeit a lame one.

Unless any of you are working towards helping make this world a better place, perhaps you should leave your criticism at the door.

I am a believer of both viewpoints, while on one hand we have done our part to dirty the air, something bigger is going on. Check on google, i recently read a thread mentioning how all the planets in our solar system have recently warmed up and some are even shining and spinning faster. Check it out and let me know. I will try to find an actual thread when i get off from work, gotta run.Big Brother counting my keys strokes...............lol.

Ok,
So I thought Id go ahead and post a few bits of info for all the global warming advocates on this board. First Here is a link to the wikipedia article on Dr. William Gray of C.S.U an outspoken critic of global warming his theory is that if global warming is actually happening which he says is possible but not likely human caused, it will actually help us rather than hurt us. I tend to agree with him, not only because Al Gore is just a politician with a political agenda, but because Dr. Gray has been studying the climate for forty four years.

The links, pardon me if they don't work correctly I haven't been posting here for very long.Dr William Gray - Wikipedia

The other article Id like you to see is an interview with Dr Gray from the publication Ram Republic I believe the article can be found here in the January issue on page 2

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reply to post by Sublime620


well sublime - I walk the walk as well as talking the talk.
I have only essential appliances, limited energy efficient heating and water, limited multimedia (TV, stereo, computer) and don't drive - instead I cycle (well not at the moment, but any other time)

When I first joined ATS I did a thread for people to examine their energy consumption by listing all their devices that consume energy - and guess what?
The silence was pretty deafening with only a few people daring to post - even the "green" people.

With that said, I feel I have a right to critisize as I am actually doing something positive, but for me it's about sustainability and general environmental awareness - it's not about the current fad which is the belief (slightly incredulous tone) that we miniscule ants running around throwing out a few farts can actually stop anything, let alone influence it.

2p

Originally posted by Kinesis
You people seem to come out of the woodwork and show your ignorance with a lot of pride.... Are your thought processes are so stunned,

Not nice! Careful ... the same easily could be said of you.

If this is some natural cycle, why is the air getting warmer

huh? A natural cycle can make the air warmer. It certainly has in the past. Apparently so can sunspot activity.

Originally posted by Kinesis
I'll just say to the moderators, courtesy shouldn't be offered to people like this who are just out to discredit the growing evidence, rather than building awareness to what's happening.

to paraphrase - 'don't be nice to people who disagree with my position' ... And you put it in bold type. Amazing.

Originally posted by forestlady
To the naysayers: Many of you sound VERY sure that there is no global warming.

I think most folks agree that the earth is getting warmer, but they disagree that there is evidence that it is man made. When people say 'global warming' most think of this term as meaning man-made 'global warming'. If you were to say 'the earth is getting warmer somehow' then I think you'd find more people in agreement. It's the pointing the finger at humans that gets people uptight. The evidence isn't there to support that.

Originally posted by budski
There were at least 35 major errors in the film AIT

Kinda reminds me of Michael Moore propaganda.

Originally posted by malcr
As usual the GW skeptics and debunkers are US based....nuff said ...

Lots of nasty anti-America rhetoric .. devoid of scientific evidence to back anything up.

Originally posted by stikkinikki
but man is responsible for the huge population of farting cows.

Actually, what you said was very appropriate. Farting cows is a problem for the climate warming. Really.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Carbon Credits

Blaine I agree with ya' 100%. Your entire post was great.

reply to post by Tguntony



Dr. Gray's area of expertise is hurricane prediction, not GW. None of his work is peer-reviewed approved; one person reviewing him said he's great at hurricane prediction but not at GW science.

reply to post by Sublime620


This thread is about Al Gore. It may have drifted far off topic but it was originally about Gore (See the title and read the OP). Mr. Gore's credibility is fair game on this one.

As to the climate change, I think man has played a very minor role. We are not capable of altering the natural cycles that are in play here.

We all want a clean and safe environment. Following these false leads and wasting money and resources makes little sense. The climate is changing, it has changed often in the past and it will in the future. Our money and energies would be better spent toward steps to fend of disruptions in our lives as a result. Unfortunately the environmental issues have been taken over by liars and nut cases with opportunists like Gore at the helm.

The solutions to our problems do not lie with celebrities, politicians and activist professors; they will come from separating politics and celebrity from science and removing the reasons for all the lies, money and spin. If people who have spent their whole lives studying this topic don't have the answers yet, why does it make sense to have people like Gore dirtying the water with poorly researched documentaries, filled with spin and half-truths. How does that help? It drives people away from the topic.

If people are serious about the environment, they need to get rid of these dividers like Gore and find a way we can all come together on how to insure we have clean air and water. Everything else will take care of itself through the same efforts. If someone thinks man is to blame for climate change their cause would still be served. Many are truly into the controversy and politics of it all though and they are blocking progress on the cause they claim to care about.

reply to post by Blaine91555


Whether Gore is wrong or not, the agenda is right.

We should move away from carbon power. We should be more responsible with our waste. We should take better care of our environment.

Are you saying this thread is about Al Gore, or this thread is to slander the hell out of him? There is a difference between talking politics and talking smack.


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Originally posted by Sublime620
Whether Gore is wrong or not, the agenda is right.

- what exactly is Al Gore's agenda? To take care of the earth or to further his own footprint in history books and to make $$?

- Al Gore LIES to get his agenda taken care of. He misleads people. He doesn't practice what he preaches. As BLAINE said - this muddys the waters and causes more harm for those who really want to take care of the planet.

Are you saying this thread is about Al Gore, or this thread is to slander the hell out of him?

- Telling the truth and exposing someone and their agenda isn't 'slander'.

- Exposing the lies and the manipulations that people around the planet are having to put up with from Al Gore is a GOOD THING. It frees those people from his clutches.

Originally posted by Kinesis

Originally posted by resistor
Climate change denier’s message to Algore, GET STUFFED!!!!!

Few are fooled by your globalist claptrap anymore. We recognize this global warming fertilizer, as we do Kyoto for what they are: colossal cash grabs on a level to shame the federal reserve. Take your private jet, and then your limo back to your mansion in TENN and STFU!!!

You people seem to come out of the woodwork and show your ignorance with a lot of pride. When are all the polar icecaps and mountain peeks supposed to be restored to levels previous to the 1950's? If this is some natural cycle, why is the air getting warmer and more polluted, year after year? Are your thought processes are so stunned, that you just don't realize that this actually getting worse? Is the smog disappearing over large populations, or is it getting thicker?


Mod Edit: Courtesy Is Mandatory.

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It is the beginning of spring where I live, and it is snowing right now. The Glaciers in the mountains near my home have increased in size over the last few years. I think your information is flawed.

reply to post by forestlady

Ahh, see you can say that but remember Al Gore's area of expertise is politics and manipulation. Most politicians will feed you any lie they can in order to further their political agenda. Al Gore has a Bachelor of Arts in government, he cannot claim to know anything more about global warming than what is told to him by scientists. Who appear unfortunately to only be looking for government grants.
I will research a few other major critics of global warming and post them here shortly.

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reply to post by FlyersFan


I haven't seen anyone expose anything. Just posts like yours that say such, and then move on.

Take issues with his policies, not with him. Then, after you've taken issues with his policies, then maybe, just maybe, you can reference his name in poor taste.

reply to post by Tguntony


IMO one of the main points about gore is that he has set himself up (invented himself if you like) as the champion of the environmental movement, and see's himself as something of an expert in GW and other environmental issues - whilst retaining an incredible amount of hypocrisy and doing untold damage and costing many lives, particularly in 3rd world countries thanks to his pushing and misrepresentation of the dangers and banning of cfc's.
Yes it needed to be done, but his precipitous action caused misery for millions and may actually end up being more harmfull in the long run.

Here's an interesting letter:

Michael Oppenheimer of the Environmental Defense Fund asks us to "congratulate" Vice President Al Gore for pressing the case for protection of the ozone layer (Letters, May 3). Apparently Mr. Oppenheimer's appointment to the Clinton administration has not yet come through.

Mr. Gore has been a major promoter of the blind sheep, blind rabbits, blind trout, plankton death and other scary (and, as The Washington Post pointed out, completely false) stories related to the ozone-depletion issue.

There was never an "ozone hole over Kennebunkport" as Mr. Gore contended last spring in the course of ramming through an ac- celerated phaseout of chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs). The infamous Feb. 3, 1992, NASA press briefing that spawned such stories was rife with misinformation and selective data. In fact, the NASA research team, headed by Robert Watson (who has secured his Clinton administration appointment) knew within two weeks of that briefing that stratospheric chlorine levels had dropped by 75 percent, and there would be no Arctic ozone hole. Yet the team withheld that information from a frightened public while the NASA budget was before Congress.

As a result of Mr. Gore's Senate histrionics, the country now faces a precipitous forced changeover to CFC substitutes that are known at the outset to be corrosive, less efficient, more expensive and, in some cases, known to pose health and safety hazards.

Thank Al Gore? Well, DuPont should, but I think I'll pass.

CANDACE C. CRANDALL
The Science & Environmental Policy Project

source

So as you can see, there is nothing new in gore's tactics, his lies and his scare story's.

He's just applied it to a different field.

Originally posted by Sublime620
I haven't seen anyone expose anything.

A few posts back it was stated that there were at least 35 errors in Al Gore's movie IT. here is a little taste of those lies and snares.

The head of the Weather Channel wants to sue Al Gore to force him to explain his 'carbon points' that he wants the world to run on, and to force him to put up or shut up.

reply to post by Sublime620


I'm in total agreement about us needing to take care of our environment. Any sane person would agree.

If I hit a tender spot with my opinion of Gore, so be it. His credibility is a fair issue as he has appointed himself an expert and leader on this topic. The reason for my response is that science is being ruined by politics and money. We used to be able to trust science and those in these fields were on a quest for the truth. Now, thanks to politicians like Gore and many others taking over the cause; we can no longer trust science and the spoke-persons are not any longer qualified.

Get rid of these clowns, get politics and money out of science and we can come together and make progress. If people want a clean environment in their future this must happen. As it is now, its just another divisive campaign issue that will never be solved, because they don't want it solved. Controversy produces votes, money and fame, so why would they want any progress? They don't; they want us at each others throats.

reply to post by aravoth


What I advise, is to take several pictures of the Glaciers near where you live. Make sure you date them, then over the years look back on them and see if there's any change. Just go with me on this one, what could it hurt?