Americas 14,000mph secret transit system

This secret train system has been around and worked on for quite some time. BTW - Great movie script about it - LIE TZAR
I'm from West Virginia and all through my life growing up there were rumors about a secret base for government under the Greenbriar in White Sulphur Springs. Well, it turned out to be true. But how do you think the government were going to get there? Ont he secret rail of course.

reply to post by shearder


Why are we stuck on this 14K mph figure?

Also, why be so concerned about G-force. There's no need for rapid acceleration or rapid deceleration is there?

Unless this shuttle is like Quaker Puffed Wheat.

I think the main thing is the physics and mechanics of building the tunnels. We already know that there are boring machines. So even if it's not likely it's possible.

It's almost completely impossible to speed up something on the ground to 14k. Plus, all the passengers would turn to a nice pancake after 14G would hit them around that time. Standard pilots are usually working around 7-9G. The best pilots from Hungary are flying around 11G. And that's the final threshold. And these guys are trained for this. So I don't think so that standard scientists without any proper training just simply traveling with 14k. Or if yes, here are the two stations on that line.

1. Secret Military Base A51
2. Terminus - Morgue

I didn't read all of this thread but seeing how this tunnel comes close to me, 70 miles the way the crow flies, my question is this. What did they do with all the maternal that was displaced by building this tunnel?

Roper

This seems very unlikely as the g-forces would simply crush the passengers unless acceleration was extremely slow over a long period of time.
14000 mph = approx. mach 18.4

The space shuttle reaches 17000 mph (mach 22.4) by the time it reaches orbit and look what happens to the astronauts and what they must go through to train for this.

Seems to me this is just another pie in the sky urban legend.

Originally posted by Dark Crystalline
It's almost completely impossible to speed up something on the ground to 14k.

Almost completely? Citation, please. The limit is probably much slower than that, btw.

Plus, all the passengers would turn to a nice pancake after 14G would hit them around that time. Standard pilots are usually working around 7-9G. The best pilots from Hungary are flying around 11G. And that's the final threshold. And these guys are trained for this. So I don't think so that standard scientists without any proper training just simply traveling with 14k.

Citation, please?

Excuse me, but let's all consider reading the whole thread or a good part of it before posting.

There's no reason that any such system, however fantastic has to go from Zero to 14,000mph or whatever the top speed is (probably about MACH 3 inside a pneumatic tube, though I have no data) besides doing it gradually.

The only acceleration that pilots experience, after taking off, or in diving or climbing, is turning. This system would have very gradual, if any 'turns' that need to be taken at speed.

Though I doubt any such speed would be required, posting commentary without anything to back it up isn't helpful.

In addition, please consider doing some research. The fastest G ever experienced was FORTY-SIX G, that's 46G, in a rocket sled and the test pilot John Stapp lived.

Thanks.





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Why would be necessary for someone to be in the other side of the country in 20 minutes??? They could have bought a Concorde and do that in 2:30 hours if they paint it gray no one would dare to speak about the sound barrier braking noise or whatever...

they had phones and video conferencing at that time...

I can understand that for cargo/special cargo this may be useful, but would be much cheaper to build a single mach 4 or 5 prototype and use it for this service...

I don´t buy this idea.

fred

I think I recall William Cooper talking about this I dont have the resources here to check it out but it would be useful if someone could post a snippet from his "behold a pale horse" book or maybe what phil schneider had to say about it. (both I might add died in very shady circumstances)

also what bout oil drillers I dont know how far down they go but wouldnt these tunnels be subject to possible discovery or breakage due to drilling for water/oil i noticed that one of the maps put it through west texas which is full of oil pumps.

cant help but think of the bank when reading this thread. if you catch muh drift....

Originally posted by Badge01
Yeah, it's not g-force that's a limiter.

Actually, g-force is a limiter.

Originally posted by Badge01
You'd just accelerate slowly and since there are no sharp turns, presumably, the passengers would never feel the speed.

You're right, the passengers wouldn't feel the speed; however, speed and acceleration are two very different things.

Originally posted by Badge01
With pneumatic tubes and a minimum of complexity, I'd think problems of friction and breakdown would be the real limiters of any such system.

That's why a vacuum would be necessary in the tube. It would take far too much energy to pneumatically "push" the VHST with high pressure air.

Originally posted by Badge01
Also, why be so concerned about G-force. There's no need for rapid acceleration or rapid deceleration is there?

There is if you want to reach a very high speed, and then slow back down, within a limited distance.

Originally posted by Badge01
There's no reason that any such system, however fantastic has to go from Zero to 14,000mph or whatever the top speed is (probably about MACH 3 inside a pneumatic tube, though I have no data) besides doing it gradually.

Again, pneumatics work with air pressure. The system would want a vacuum (lack of air pressure) to reduce friction, and to stifle the sonic boom.

Originally posted by Badge01
The only acceleration that pilots experience, after taking off, or in diving or climbing, is turning.

They certainly feel the acceleration if they hit the afterburners, and one doesn't need to climb, dive, or turn to do that. Anytime they accelerate, or decelerate enough (over a limited distance) they'll feel it; and that "limited distance" is proportional to the change in their rate of speed.

Originally posted by Badge01
In addition, please consider doing some research. The fastest G ever experienced was FORTY-SIX G, that's 46G, in a rocket sled and the test pilot John Stapp lived.

I'd kindly suggest that you do the same.

There's no such thing as "The fastest G ever". Speed and acceleration are two different things.

Then there's Kenny Bräck. He survived a crash where his car recorded 214 g. There are also people who survive gunshot wounds, but it's generally not considered to be a good idea to shoot someone; and make no mistake, g-forces can be quite deadly.

Also, the rocket sled was designed to test aggressive deceleration, simulating a crash/stop, not sustained g-forces over a sizeable amount of time. He may have survived high g-s, but they were of very low magnitude. Once the magnitude of time increases, the rules of human tolerances change quite dramatically.

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Here's something important to keep in mind when rapidly accelerating. G forces act on the human body and to help counteract those forces, pilots and astronauts must wear G-suits so they don't black out.

aviators and astronauts who are subject to high levels of acceleration ('G'). It is designed to prevent a black-out and g-LOC (g-induced Loss Of Consciousness), due to the blood pooling in the lower part of the body when under G, thus depriving the brain of blood.

A G-suit does not so much increase the G-threshold, but makes it possible to sustain high G longer without excessive physical fatigue. Pilots still need to practice the 'G-straining maneuver' that consists of tensing the abdominal muscles in order to tighten blood vessels so as to reduce blood pooling in the lower body. High G is not comfortable, even with a G-suit. In older fighter aircraft, 6 G was considered high, but with modern fighters 9 or even 10 G can be sustained aerodynamically[citation needed] making the pilot the critical factor in maintaining high maneuverability in close combat.

G-LOC has resulted in a number of fatalities in which the aircraft and crew are lost.[citation needed] There is a need for high-G training and this can be accomplished in a man-rated centrifuge training system.

wikipedia

Why is everyone trying to figure out how a train would go 14000 using conventional means of travel? What about the possibilities of frequency? Sound waves? They already did a TV show on discovery on this Last Sunday night.

Ok,WOW,this thread has really took off,I glad.Back to the main topic,Ive heard people on here talking about inertia problems,reasons why people would need to be transported from coast to cast in 21 minutes,etc.Well as I stated inertia is overcome by many ways.

1.Paced accel/decel-w/ math you will find that in 10.5 minutes you will excell to bout 9000mph and in 10.5 minutes decel to stop,that is a very high number in all likelyhood the train doesnt reach that speed.But by those numbers you reach NY from LA in 21 minutes.
2.Inertial damening/canceling-If we have this tech to travel on magnetic fields at Mach 18.3(its 18.3,not 18.4)then you prolyhavethe tech. to compensate for the g's.
Now to the point of WHY you would want to travel that fast and quick to a location,when you can buy a Concorde?Well it takes time to board,take off,reach cruising altitude(since it is illegal to sonic boom under 30000 ft.)decsend,landmunboard-your talking over an hour!
Now these tuneels are used to transport very important people to very secrt bases-so they have a great need for rapid transport,not to mention for war time-wouldnt it be great to be able to move cross country in less than 22 minutes?

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This is to Darkcrystal-We are not speeding it up on the ground,but in a vaccum,underground..the vaccum it what allows the high speed.

reply to post by Cyberbian


Escape velocity i.s acctualy 18,600 mph I believe.

If the U.S has trillions of dollars to fight a pitiful war then the cost of this is nothing. Suppose each mile costs 10 Million, 4000 Miles would be an insignificant 40 Billion dollars. Even if it's 100 Million a mile it would only be 400 Billion which is nothing compared to some unneccessary war.

I like this, i think the only way to acheive that speed is by combining rocketry and magnetic propulsion.

The problem is, CAN WE HANDLE IT?

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Thank you for this post. I have enjoyed this thread. I know several people who have worked at underground bases. They are tradesmen such as myself. They did not see any beings, tunnels, or such, they just worked providing power and such.

I think there could be tunnels. God knows we waste enough money elsewher. The boring machines are real. But the old question about all the excess fill (rock) comes up. Even if it was melted by laser drillers, it still will cool and remain the same volume. That would be a lot of waste rock.

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No way could Houston and New Orleans be stops on any underground train system. They both flood way to often.

@ All
normally you can google a few words and get thousands of results

when i google these phrases i get 3 or 4 results in google..

"vhst inertial dampening"
"rand vhst dampening"

Figured id share that with ya.. kinda odd ehh
Joe

Who cares? Light travels far faster than that and we can communicate with light pulsations.