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Originally posted by tezzajw
Originally posted by Disclosed
Do you not know what the NIST, FEMA and 9/11 commission reports say?
NIST can't even model the alleged pattern of fuel distribution through the floor levels, without making a 200 pound error for the amount of fuel present.
You're placing an extreme amount of faith in the quality of a report that contains arithmetic errors.
Originally posted by DisclosedDo you not know what the NIST, FEMA and 9/11 commission reports say?
Well, SOMEONE wrote "And at this point, they most certainly are suspect."
No one has to adobt an unspecified "formal process" to know that.
I am in the majority that understand that the investigations were the largest and best ever done and demonstrated conclusively what we already knew.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well yes we do need a formal process for the aircraft identification since all the scenes are crime scenes.
No, the investagtions were not the best done. The FBI only spent 5 days on the Pentagon crime scene after stating it would take a month.
Originally posted by Disclosed
SO since this is a crime scene...perhaps we should wait until the official reports are released, to see all of the evidence that has been found.
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
But the point is that for a supposed terrorist crime scene, one of the biggest attacks against the US and the FBI only spends 5 days ?
Originally posted by Disclosed
What did you FOIA request to the FBI tell you then?
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
The FBI still has refused to release some information.
But i have good sites to get other information from. Like them only being there officially for 5 days.
Originally posted by Disclosed
But how can that information be valid, since the FBI and NTSB were the only agencies performing the investigations?
WASHINGTON, Sept. 24, 2001 -- The FBI assumed crime-scene jurisdiction at the Pentagon terrorist attack site Sept. 21 from the Arlington County (Va.) Fire Department, officials said.
FBI officials estimate the crime scene investigation would last about a month, Arlington Fire Chief Edward P. Plaugher said. He said he expects "additional remains will be discovered during the course of the FBI investigation" and mortuary specialists will remain on site to process them.
WASHINGTON, Sept. 26, 2001 -- The FBI handed over Pentagon crash site management to the Army Military District of Washington at 7 a.m. today.
The transfer of responsibility marks the end of the FBI's crime scene investigation following the Sept. 11 terrorist attack against the Pentagon. MDW will oversee ongoing security operations around the damaged area of the building. FBI investigators will move their operations to the Pentagon's north parking lot and continue to sift through debris for more evidence.
Originally posted by jackinthebox
Don't mean to butt into someone else's conversation here, but your statement here makes about as much sense as something like, "Here you go Mister and Misses So-n-so. We're pretty sure these are the remains of your loved one. But we didn't bother to make a postitive I.D."
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
FACT: The NTSB is required BY LAW to investigate airplane crashes.
Originally posted by gottago
Now that is an interesting bit of info, Ultima. The FBI had control three full days at the Pentagon and handed the show over to the military on 7 am of the fifth day of what they expected to be a month-long investigation..
First, the identities of the aircraft certainly were in question on 9/11. There was widespread confusion at the FAA and NORAD on the morning of 9/11, caused in part, by the numerous exercises, some involving simulated hijackings, which were also taking place that morning. The aircraft that crashed had different transponder codes from the passenger aircraft and transcripts of flight controller communications indicate a significant level of confusion as to the identity of the flights.
The plane which crashed at the Pentagon is particularly suspect since the FAA made no radar contact with the aircraft on its return flight over West Virginia and did not establish radar contact again until the plane reached Washington, DC, now with a different transponder code.
Secondly, there is ample evidence that serial numbered aircraft parts were in fact collected and identified by the FBI with the assistance of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB). For example Carol Carmody, Vice-Chairman of NTSB said in published remarks from February 2002; “I ... assured FBI Director Mueller that we would assist in any way we could ... he called and said, ‘Could you send us some people to help find the black boxes and help identify aircraft parts.’”
The fact that the NTSB did comply with director Mueller’s request was corroborated by her boss NTSB Chairman Marion C. Blakey who testified to the 9/11 Commission that “Over 60 Safety Board employees worked around the clock in Virginia, Pennsylvania, New York, and at our headquarters in Washington, DC, assisting with aircraft parts identification”
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Originally posted by Leo Strauss
So another angle officials may indeed have the parts identified yet are not willing to share the info. Hmmm??????
Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Yes, the FBI and FAA are still refusing to release part number information even through FOIA request.
But still working on it.