The return of Christ

reply to post by Ogre14t


quote:Messiah returns---what will happen ?
from a conspiracy angle---what i believe i have read in the scriptures is that there will be signs first of His imminent arrival.
1 religious confusion and fighting. 2 lots of "smaller"wars. 3 major famines .4 all the first 3 combining to kill 1/4 of the earths population. 5the start of another inquisition and the defeat militarily of the usa and british commonwealth and israel with the survivors being taken as slaves into concentration camps.6 a great earthquake and cosmic upheaval in space. 7a third of the sea creatures dying. 8 an asteroid/comet slamming into the earth. 9 much of earths fresh water so poisoned that many die from drinking it .10 earths atmosphere being obscured with dense smoke. 11 an asian army of 200 million heads into the middle east to do battle with europes armies and the muslims armies which results in 1/3 of whats left of humanity dying. 12 Messiah returns to save His people and prevent humans from annihilating all life on earth with the war thats being fought in #11.
13. these armies stop fighting amongst themselves and instead join forces and try to fight the returned----aliens-- to them Messiah and His army of angels-----they are defeated and Messiah establishes a world ruling government headquartered in jerusalem/zion and forces whats left of earths population to live in peace and prosperity for the next 1000 years.
this is the broad outline of what i understand from reading but not including finer details---there's not enough room here.

Is it possible that something else is meant when the scriptures say that Christ would be visible in the clouds and that all eyes would see him? And would it actually be possible for all eyes to see Jesus visibly?

When a UFO is sighted, it is generally sighted in a specific area and not seen by the entire world! Could there be a different meaning and not one that could be termed in such a romantic sense?

How about this: could it be that everyone would behold him in a symbolic sense...assuming that one is awake? There are 39 plus prophesies in the book of Matthew that give significant evidence of when Jesus would be present. Could he have meant that "all eyes that see him" are those who are awake enough to see all the signs that are spoken of in Matthew? Perhaps he meant that only a person awake would "see" him in a symbolic sense!

How much denial do we see evidenced here on earth among mankind even regarding a God? I believe that some of the comments mentioned earlier as to how Jesus would be treated (if he was visible) could be a reality. Would he put himself into the category of one who could be shunned...again? And perhaps ridiculed...again? Called a heretic...again? Isn't it possible he would try something new?

If we get out of a religious box for a moment, couldn't there be other possiblities as to what was meant with that verse? It gets back to my thoughts that the Bible was meant to be analyzed with a different perspective. To me it does not mean giving up on everything one believes but to allow for new thoughts or conceptions to enter the conversation to perhaps broaden our understanding of what it is Jesus & Jah are trying to tell us!

Consider this for a moment: what if we are wrong? Suppose what we have been taught is not wholly correct? Are we open enough to look for the logic in a situation or writing? I certainly believe that the Bible was inspired, but to what end? Are there questions that wouldn't hurt if we explored them?

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Why not just go to the Bible to see how Christ will return. The angels will be singing and blowing trumpets. Is that something secret? The dead righteous people and the living righteous will be drawn up to meet Christ "in the air".(1st. Thessalonians 4: 15, 16)And 2Thessalonians 1: 7 & 80 No secret there. The living sinful people will be killed by the brightness of His coming. No secret there. The answers are all right there in the Bible. Suggest you read it.

reply to post by elecampane


Actually the FIRST thing that happens when "christ returns", by the way did anyone see an intresting broadcast show title there, anyway the first thing upon his return is this.

He has a sward coming out of his mouth that slashed in every direction.

Translation:

The sward is his toung, and it slashed in every direction because every group thinks they have it right but no group actually does. Groups like traditionailze christianity really believe Jesus upon his return will give them the thumbs up and say "good job". That's is just deluted truth. Best just believe in the "buddy christ" from Keven Smith's movie "Dogma".

from my perspective and religious beliefs. The Supreme being initiated the beginning of the formal evacuation of the creations of matter in the mid 1800s. As a cool breeze still kicks up the dust the last 150 years of trauma and change are a direct result. Since then a continuous stream of spiritual masters have and will continue to come. These spirits come from the highest region in order to continually conduct the current of redemption.

As the Supreme Being is all merciful, more and more spirits are being prepared for the eventual public exposure to the true, legitimate spiritual master. In the past when such great souls came they where often killed, in other cases they did their work in obscurity or even modified their presents to reduce resistance. Not because they where unable to overcome opposition but because it served the purpose of infusing the higher spirituality into the world in the most appropriate way at the time.

The true, great souls never display miracles to the average person and do not want the average person polluting their congregation. In time (lifetimes), as those persons shed their imperfections, they will be welcome. The very purpose of TV, DVD, etc.. is to be able to see and hear the true spiritual master. The various cataclysms we see in the world is a sure sign of grace. The world is not our home and our growing disgust with matter and the lies and emptiness and selfishness of life here, not to mention the pain and suffering will draw spirits to regard their true spiritual welfare and end their associations with the lies of the world. However, as individual spirits are in a vast range of states, some soon to be free of their primal imperfections and others far, far from it. There will always be intense opposition to such truth being revealed. But, the Supreme Being is all powerful and entirely in charge and everything is paced for the best.

reply to post by ReelView


That is some very deep inside and a very different view you present there, very refreshing actually to see somebody else opinion.

reply to post by Sri Oracle


Are you implying that you are Jesus? lol.

Originally posted by Ogre14t
This is not exactly meant to be a religious topic so much as a topic of blind faith V.S. common sence. For the record i am not a relegious person I believe in science and reality. Here is my senario: If christ was actually to return, what do you think would happen? Personally i believe if anyone ever walked around claiming to be christ, we would have him locked in a padded room quick fast and in a hurry. Now if he was to wander around performing miricles, he would probably be percieved a military threat and shot on site. I just find this funny and completly believe it would happen.

First, when the real Jesus shows up there won't be anyone able to lock him in a padded room.

Second, when Jesus returns, he won't be working miracles. Anyone who publicly starts working miracles is a false messiah. Jesus will return to deliver God's wrath on us for our sins.

Third, for the same reason nobody will be able to lock him up, neither will they be able to shoot him on sight. His power is far beyond anything that we could ever do.

reply to post by yahn goodey


I watched the head of the Iranians in America group, on c-span, washington jurnal, this morning.
He was saying that it is not an idealogical conflict that is causing the current hightened tensions between Iran and Israel. He says it is geopolitical differences, and that we should be partners in negotiations with Iran.
I thought that openion was very interesting, but I emediatly realized that our current administration is too stupid to take advantage of peaceful opportunities, and would rather resort to force.
Everyone in the military should take advantace of the clause in the UCMJ to disobey an illegal order, when Bush calls for a war against Iran.

[edit on 16-3-2008 by jmdewey60]

Oh give it up, Jesus has probably already returned and he has already been killed. He will always be killed in the 3rd dimensional realm we live in. The vested interests and the powers that be will not allow truth to be spoken. Jesus will return but not until we ascend to a higher frequency of evolution.

Originally posted by antar
Oh give it up, Jesus has probably already returned and he has already been killed. He will always be killed in the 3rd dimensional realm we live in. The vested interests and the powers that be will not allow truth to be spoken. Jesus will return but not until we ascend to a higher frequency of evolution.

THE GLAD TIDINGS OF THE MESSIAH

WELCOMING JESUS IN THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY :

The Importance of Preparing for Jesus in Joy, Excitement, and Exuberance.

Jesus will be Recognized by the Fact That He Will Have no Relatives and That No One Will Know Him.

The Whole World Will Unite Behind Jesus.

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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by yahn goodey

 

I watched the head of the Iranians in America group, on c-span, washington jurnal, this morning.
He was saying that it is not an idealogical conflict that is causing the current hightened tensions between Iran and Israel. He says it is geopolitical differences, and that we should be partners in negotiations with Iran.
I thought that openion was very interesting, but I emediatly realized that our current administration is too stupid to take advantage of peaceful opportunities, and would rather resort to force.
Everyone in the military should take advantace of the clause in the UCMJ to disobey an illegal order, when Bush calls for a war against Iran.

[edit on 16-3-2008 by jmdewey60]

Do you actually believe that the head of Iranians in America is not a 5th Columnist?

Where have you been the last 60 years that you think that the conflict between Muslims and Israel is about geopolitical differences? The only "geopolitical difference" is the right of Israel to exist.

Do you know that "Palestine" was the name the Romans gave to the land of the Jews?

What "peaceful opportunities" are you dreaming about? Iran is funding and supplying Hamas' rocket attacks on Israel.

Originally posted by yahn goodey
reply to post by Ogre14t

 

It may just be a messed up in interpretation on this but it sounds awfully alot like what i would write in a thread about the coming Anti-Christ.
let me break it down a little.

1 religious confusion and fighting. 2 lots of "smaller"wars. 3 major famines .4 all the first 3 combining to kill 1/4 of the earths population. 5the start of another inquisition and the defeat militarily of the usa and british commonwealth and israel with the survivors being taken as slaves into concentration camps.6 a great earthquake and cosmic upheaval in space. 7a third of the sea creatures dying. 8 an asteroid/comet slamming into the earth. 9 much of earths fresh water so poisoned that many die from drinking it .10 earths atmosphere being obscured with dense smoke. 11 an asian army of 200 million heads into the middle east to do battle with europes armies and the muslims armies which results in 1/3 of whats left of humanity dying. 12 Messiah returns to save His people and prevent humans from annihilating all life on earth with the war thats being fought in #11.

this whole section to me would be pre anti-Christ with the 12th point being the rise of the anti-Christ

Pause here for 3 and a half yrs throw in a world goverment and the destruction of all christians then continue on with point 13.

13. these armies stop fighting amongst themselves and instead join forces and try to fight the returned----aliens-- to them Messiah and His army of angels-----they are defeated and Messiah establishes a world ruling government headquartered in jerusalem/zion and forces whats left of earths population to live in peace and prosperity for the next 1000 years.

there is only one thing id like to point out on this section and that is that you say he "forces" whats left, to me im pretty sure by that time the only ones left in his kingdom are going to be his true followers who will rejoice at being under Gods rule there wont be much need for force. Well i hope that made a little sense its in no way my full interpretation on things to come but ill save that for another post.

Originally posted by InterestedObserver
Are you implying that you are Jesus? lol.

Are you implying that you cannot become Jesus yourself?

I am so sorry your fate seems damned. There is a light. Seek it.

I am a prince.
I am a priest.

I am you.

The Creative knows the great beginnings.
The Receptive completes the finished things.

Ta Chuan, I Ching; Wilhem/Baynes

aum hraum mitriyam

In the spirit I AM,

Sri Oracle


[edit on 17-3-2008 by Sri Oracle]

reply to post by fLANKED


my conspiracy angle understanding is that at point #5 the renewed inquisition is the begining of a 3 1/2 year time period in which the god of this world's 2 beasts (revelation 13-a european military leader and his religious counterpart ) face off against the G-D of Heaven's 2 witnesses/prophets (revelation 11)------a longer time frame duplicate type of moses and aaron being sent to deal with pharaoh(exodus 6-12) to contend with him and his magicians for the release of israel from slavery.
between #11 and #12 at the end of those 3 1/2 years satans 2 earthly human leaders are allowed to murder G-D's 2 witnesses who lie in a street in jerusalem for 3 1/2 days while the world rejoices.at the end of those days Messiah returns and resurrects them to life again and ends the last major war(revelation 14:19-20) before all life on earth is destroyed by it(matthew 24:22)

matthew 24/mark 13/luke 21-----the prophecy of the Messiah does a much better job of explaining what to expect than i could justice to.

reply to post by jmdewey60


from a conspiracy angle------thanks for your info about iran------the people of elam historically lived in a large portion of where iran/persia dwells today.
according to isaiah 22 elam is listed among nations that have attacked jerusalem in the past and now it looks like they are going for a repeat performance.
jeremiah 25:25 and jeremiah 49:34-39 indicate that they will pay dearly for doing this.

Originally posted by Ogre14t
... If christ was actually to return, what do you think would happen? ...

As someone mentions below, its a troll of course designed to reinforce a religious stereotype by apparently bringing it into dispute.

The term "Jesus" was not his name but references the intention of Jah and the title "Christ" designated him as the next in line of succession of the empire of Jah.

He was sent here as a servant to do as instructed but the next event of his visit to our planet is as ruler of the empire to deal to his enemies particularly those who disputed his right to rule and who tried to subvert the process by a military coup. These apparently live among us where they have assumed the positions of rulership of this world and who are about to consolidate their power globally.

The rebels know they don't have very long to go and thats what is behind current world events as they marshall everything at their disposal to fight against the new ruler at his coming.

So, in fact, "the Christ" will never be returning because he is now the supreme ruler with unlimited power at his disposal and its a whole new ball game.

Apologies if below is a bit messy, I'm still on my first coffee and english isn't my native tongue.

In this world the "Eat or be eaten" works on many levels. A Christ soul inserted into our global consciousness would become a magnet to all kinds of discarnate entities, ghosts, spirits etc. that are lingering here because of centuries of bad spiritual practices, wars etc. Those that could not pass on to the other side and He would feel compassion for them and help them first, since there are so few who can, anyone can preach (but few actually do as they preach).

I don't believe the next Christ would oppose religion but show humanity our common grounds. Why God sends us Messiah is to get us back on the right track, when he would appear it would mean we are basically all bad people travelling a wrong spiritual path especially compared to him and his path. Actually, I believe God would send us 2 Messiah, a male and female to teach all of humanity, but I'll write about a single person mostly because men are from Mars and women from Venus (in other words her role could only be described by a woman).

So I guess the Messiah would be living among us but posessed in a way meaning he would be dealing with spirits more than with the living, learning and understanding the dilemmas that we have created over the centuries from the deceased and working out group karma.

He would merge heaven and hell from Earth's perspective, solve the confusion in the hereafter, merge them all into 1 reality (the day the Dead will rise). In all realities he would be invisible and his person unknown, the only way to be truly invincible as he is vulnerable in the physical in a world where there is much conflict. He would be a telepath making him more vulnerable, even the stray thought of killing would cause discomfort to him until he masters telepathy. If he would remain unknown there would be no ill thoughts directed, until the dissolving of armies, govenments, borders etc. would he make himself physically known.

Communicating with the spirits he would develop a totally different mindset which we simply can't recognize (he would be invisble to us, not attracting any attention). He would understand what a Self is and see that we are all the same deep inside. Some way he would use that and telepathically transmit a message announcing himself to everyone able to receive (those who are the believers) this is after he has communicated many teachings to humanity's collective consciousness and solved many conflicts, afterall every physical conflict starts by someone thinking of another in a negative way. He could do this without announcing himself publicly, perhaps it is even necessary to do so until peace is fully established (disarming humanity).

Those who receive his first conscious telepathic message would be prepared for his next miracle, which is introducing his army of deceased. I imagine him to teach in the hereafter for years how to develop lightbodies to the deceased by which they could materialize in the world (creating Heaven on Earth). He could teach the living to go to the hereafter just like he himself did, but it would be a lesser plan as many would simply not be able to achieve his spiritual level in his lifetime. So he teaches in the hereafter to spirits first (even in the many hells humanity has created for himself thoughout centuries of spiritual malpractice) how to manifest in our world, establishing peace in the hereafter.

That way he has an army of the worlds greatest souls who could all teach humanity for eternity. Even after he himself would eventually die, he would materialize here again to teach. Then humanity goes into an era of discovery and exploration of the merged material and immaterial universe, building vehicles of pure energy for space exploration in lightbodies while using Earth as a base.

[edit on 18-3-2008 by Dragonfly79]

reply to post by yahn goodey


Thanks for clarafying that for me makes a little more sense now still a bit unsure on some points but i aint gonna argue with you.
God Bless.

conspiracy wise--- all a person can do is try their best to understand and go along with what G-D has given us in the scriptures for a guide in this life.
psalm 111:10 a good understanding have all those who do His commandments.peace