The return of Christ

This is not exactly meant to be a religious topic so much as a topic of blind faith V.S. common sence. For the record i am not a relegious person I believe in science and reality. Here is my senario: If christ was actually to return, what do you think would happen? Personally i believe if anyone ever walked around claiming to be christ, we would have him locked in a padded room quick fast and in a hurry. Now if he was to wander around performing miricles, he would probably be percieved a military threat and shot on site. I just find this funny and completly believe it would happen.

very true.

He's not coming back but people will keep following him

My point was more to discredit religion, I may actually post this in the creationism v evolution forum. I just find it funny that christians SAY they follow christ but if he were to show up he would probably be killed.

I don't really get the point of this thread. You say that you aren't religious, but, just for the sake of argument, what if...sigh...Jesus returned.
Just to discredit religion? THAT'S your aim with this?

So, you just want to argue. Yeah, well that's not reallly what we do here and if you've actually read some threads here, I think you'd see that. We don't argue for the sake of arguing, we present our facts or queries and discuss them.
It's MY opinion you are looking to pick a fight for grins and giggles. That's considered Trollish behavior here.
The question you ask has no answer that will satisfy you except complete agreement. You're not asking because you really want to know what people think, you just want to bash those with faith, IMO.

We'll see and if it starts going south, the thread will be ended.

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There is a scenerio that I have spent quite a bit of time thinking about, that might fit into you hypathetical.
I imagine the best thing Jesus could do, apon his showing up all-of-a- sudden back on earth, would be so run into an archeologist who is out in the field, in Israel, who knows how to speek Aramaic.
He would have to have a good cover story, and hide out for a few days with the archeologist to get up to speed on current events.
Use your imagination.
I have. I worked on this for a while, to put together some sort of work of fiction. It is based on my idea that the Bible would actually support this scenerio.
Jesus was speaking to a crowd when he was lifted up and taken by a cloud.
Men in white appeared who said that he would return the same way he left.
So, he could just show up on top of the mount, in Israel, one day, totaly un-anounced.
Of course, he would get the same sort of treatment from the religious establishment as he did by the high priest Caiaphus.
Luckily for Jesus, if he was to show up now, while the Jews control Judea, he may actually be well recieved in his own country.
They may be really happy to see Jesus as an aparently normal man, and would like to have the world find out that he is not God, and their own God is still alive and well.


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Originally posted by Ogre14t
This is not exactly meant to be a religious topic so much as a topic of blind faith V.S. common sence. For the record i am not a relegious person I believe in science and reality. Here is my senario: If christ was actually to return, what do you think would happen? Personally i believe if anyone ever walked around claiming to be christ, we would have him locked in a padded room quick fast and in a hurry. Now if he was to wander around performing miricles, he would probably be percieved a military threat and shot on site. I just find this funny and completly believe it would happen.

If Jesus returned he'd spank your sorry butt for not using a spell checker. Seriously, hasn't anyone heard of firefox plugins?

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Oh dear me. Does anyone who bothers posting topics such as this even READ the bible? When Yahshua returns ALL eyes will behold Him, even those that pierced Him. There will not be any doubt if that's Him.

(Matt 24:29-30)
29:Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30:And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

He also gives a clear warning:
(Matt 24:23)
Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
&
(Matt 24:26)
Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

And about those miracles:
(Matt 24: 24)
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


Read the bible my dear friend.

Originally posted by theendisnear69
very true.

He's not coming back but people will keep following him

That's False.

He's already back and no one is following him. That's the truth.

Originally posted by Incarnated

Originally posted by theendisnear69
very true.

He's not coming back but people will keep following him

That's False.

He's already back and no one is following him. That's the truth.

Where? Did you not read the verses? I guess you're going to tell me he's in some secret place (inner chamber) He has not returned yet, but He also never really left, He is ruling from on High, yes. But He will also return and all eyes will behold Him. I've got eyes, and I haven't beheld Him yet.

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There's two parts to the second coming. There is the in like a thief. This is the state we are at right now. Yes, you've not seen him although you think you are awake and you have eyes.

The return isn't in a hidden place. It's right there in the wide open. I guess they say that's the best place to hide something.

Don't pride yourself. You don't see him because your blind to him. Just like everyone else on the earth right now. However let it be known. HE SEES YOU.

When the second part of his second coming happens, he'll have already been here for many years unknown to all and it is this factor that makes him a great judge. When he comes in his "glory" phase, many will want to be with him, but he'll be harshly aware of how those very one's treated him when he wasn't in his glory phase.

Good luck with all that pride.

I think the hard part for the majority of people would be all the "false" ones and how people would just follow blindly. How do we know if he/she is the real Christ? As for him being perceived as a military threat and being shot, Um....its Jesus dude, he/she can't be killed. The bullet would bounce off, perhaps at the most rip a hole into the tunic then he/she would be all like "What the hell man!, this was a brand new tunic and you just ruined it."

Originally posted by Elisha4Yah
Where? Did you not read the verses?

No, I've read them and I'm sure you think you have too. However let me point out one ovious mistake among your many.

In the book of Revelation.

by the way, the book of revelation isn't about "the end of the world" and it isn't about "the antichrist" it is right there in the very begining of the book.

"This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ"

Revelation being a term that means "the revealing" or revealing. So that the book is compleatly about the life and times of JESUS.

It's clearly written:

"He has a name written on him that only he himself knows". This goes hand and hand with the "in like a thief in the night". He lives and walks among the people of the earth right now and he sees as he watches you all unaware of his presents. He might be that guy you cut off on the highway because you think your life is so much more importaint then his. He might be that worker at the dennys that you and all your "christian" buddies go to after church, eat acting arogant and then stiffing him a tip because he's serving YOU on "sunday".

He's right here right now. He's here just before his "glory" phase of the second coming. Beware!

Originally posted by Elisha4Yah

Originally posted by Incarnated

Originally posted by theendisnear69
very true.

He's not coming back but people will keep following him

That's False.

He's already back and no one is following him. That's the truth.

Where? Did you not read the verses? I guess you're going to tell me he's in some secret place (inner chamber) He has not returned yet, but He also never really left, He is ruling from on High, yes. But He will also return and all eyes will behold Him. I've got eyes, and I haven't beheld Him yet.

Hi Elisha4Yah, I'm con.

Allow me to save you the some time. If you check out the profiles (I do this a lot) you can check the threads they make or posts etc, and it will give you an idea just who you are talking to. The moderator here whose very astute perception of just what motivated the start of this thread comes from the kind of skill and experience witnessing every type of inductive logical arguments of debate on every topic Imaginable.

Having said that, and since I don't have as keen an insight, (yet) I do a lot of profiling data mining etc. Now you might be interested to know that THIS person claims he is Michael the Arc Angel incarnate and has also given statements (semantics) words the effect he is Christ or some other deity and naturally the REAL one.

Now Rather then watch a fellow Christian waste their time trying to explain things to someone who will only give you condescending remarks as to your being merely mortal and that the reason he understands and YOU NEVER will, is simply that it wasn't given to you to understand.

He (the chosen one) incarnate has been public ally rebuked by some of the most intelligent Christian apologetics members here including myself.

AshleyD Bigwhammy clearskies newworldover to name a few.

He does a lot of other topics but when it comes to threads that are disingenuous to start with, arguing with faith bashing atheist career forum warriors is one thing but arguing with an Angle that has been debunked derailed rebuked and rejected as a fraud, charlatan bearing more false witness then any one I have ever seen in my life.

Take if for what it's worth

You'd have a better discussion with a box of rocks as he will never answer your questions while lambasting yours and will provide ZERO proof or evidence to substantiate he is In Fact Michael the Arc Angel.

Warm Regards

- Con







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OK. I didn't understand you before being that you were so short and vague. But I understand you now, and yes I agree. He really never even left. BUT He does return and establish His kingdom on earth. The earth was given to Him. And all eyes will see Him coming in the clouds....

He was given rule and dominion and that has never changed. I accept Him as King of Kings and realise His ruling from on High.

Here's a few interesting verses: Acts 3:20-21-

And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

What do you think about those?



[edit on 15-3-2008 by Elisha4Yah]

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Hi and thanks Con, I think when I first became a member here I had some disputes. But I'm still willing to read some of what he has to say, I don't follow any man where my faith is concerned anyway. I know it clearly say's in the bible that all eyes will see Him when He returns from Heaven.

But I do agree He never left in a sense either, He left us with the Comforter and His Word. Thank you very much for your care. I especially should be careful at 4am for one, what I might read and two, what I might type back lol

Shalom to you.


[edit on 15-3-2008 by Elisha4Yah]

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[edit on 15-3-2008 by NGC2736]

Well Elisha4Yah basically summed up all i would have said very nicely indeed so kudos to you id really love to see a reply from the young lad who started the thread maybe he doesn't have one at this moment in time.
sorry if this is hijacking the thread but i feel as if i have to turn my attention to Mr Incarnated i cant say i know your whole story so ill just have to assume a few things.
I just find it hard to believe that God him self sent his arc angel Michael down to earth to sit around on a computer all day eating dorittos and mocking Christians.
Now fair enough on the comment of Christians being the anti-Christs because i see where your coming from the catholics and televangelists really haven't done us to good but to state that every Christian is an anti-Christ seems to be pushing it a bit far well i wont go one much more because I'm sure its a lost cause but if your interested id love to hear you do an interview on theedgeam.com just the other month they had a guy who claimed to be the reincarnate of Elisha the Prophet so I'm sure you will fit right in.
Well ill finish of by stating that in no way am i a "biblically intelligent Christian" but in the name of Jesus Christ i also rebuke you

IMO I think the OP's original idea was to ask our personal thoughts of God returning to Earth. As in, "so God walks into a bar...." (I had to put it that way...sounds like the beginning of a good joke ). It's not a bad question but I think it answers itself. If Jesus, whom is the Son of God, "returned" today we probably couldn't fathom the whole thing. It wouldn't be like, "Christ just walked out of our local Starbucks and Susan is on the scene...Susan?". In my opinion, I don't think we'd even know it. BAM! Christ has returned and the world has changed. I don't believe it'll be a slow, gradual experience. Just my opinion...

I suppose it's time for me to post my story on why I'm still a Christian, because it really seems to weird me out when yall say he could be back but "hiding in the open".


I have always told my friends and family about this, and have shared it once through the internet on here.

When I was 7 years old, shortly after my mother and father had divorced each other, my father was driving my younger brother and I back from my grandfathers house on Christmas Eve 1996. We were in San Antonio on Huebner road when we came upon the most amazing nativity scene on the right hand side of the road, complete with living animals and real people. They were in dress that you would see from the time, cloaks and what not, and some of the animals rested while others stood/walked. The roof of the manger was thatched and hay blanketed the ground of it. It was extraordinary, and there was a soft glowing light emanating from within the manger of which we could not see the source.

The manger was so beautiful and unique that as we passed it my dad and I could not take our eyes off of it and kept telling each other how wonderful it looked. My brother, who had been laying down asleep across the back seat, awoke asking what we were looking at (he could not see since he was laying down). There was a turn in the road ahead of us and as he got up to look back at the manger said he could only see the light from it and begged us to go back. It was late and I was tired, and being the spoiled kid I was pleaded to my dad for us not to turn around and that it was too bad that he missed it but I was tired and wanted to get home. However my dad decided to turn around and let my brother see the nativity scene since it had amazed us so greatly.

We turned around within no more than 20 seconds of taking the turn and headed back down the same road that we had been on, now heading the opposite way that we had been traveling. When we came around the turn again and upon the area where the manger had been now on the left side of the road there was only a clearing in the woods where the manger had sat less than a minute before. Nothing was there. There was no longer any glowing light, animals, people, or manger, but only a small clearing in the woods along the side of the road. There was no hay on the ground either, where no greater than a moment ago the entire ground had been blanketed with hay. The first thing that my dad said was "Boys, we just saw a miracle!" and my brother and I were in shock and amazement. It truly was a miracle, and I have remembered and thought about it for the past 11 years of my life.

My dad, brother, and I all recall this miracle almost exactly, with the exception that my dad recalls the people waving at us as we drove by, however I do not remember this happening.

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Now this is a far-fetched hypotheses, but what if that night Jesus returned to earth and for whatever reason my Dad, brother, and I were chosen to witness it. The scene could have symbolized that a child had been born the same way as Jesus had been born. If it this was true, the child would be 11 years old. I never thought about anything like this before, but who knows! Perhaps somewhere in the world right now a child is breathing life back into a bird. I guess only time will tell.

This has already been pointed out as a possible troll thread but here we go...

Originally posted by Ogre14t
This is not exactly meant to be a religious topic so much as a topic of blind faith V.S. common sence.

You can have faith as well as common sense. In fact, I believe it is common sense to believe in God. Even statistics literally confirm this. The majority [read: common] believe in a God. Therefore, common sense.

For the record i am not a relegious person I believe in science and reality.

And yet another person acting like religion and science/reality are on two separate plains. Newsflash: You can believe in God, science, and reality all at the same time.

Here is my senario: If christ was actually to return, what do you think would happen? Personally i believe if anyone ever walked around claiming to be christ, we would have him locked in a padded room quick fast and in a hurry.

If a stone tomb couldn't hold Him, I doubt a padded cell would.

Now if he was to wander around performing miricles, he would probably be percieved a military threat and shot on site. I just find this funny and completly believe it would happen.

I think someone needs to do some research as to what all the return of Christ entails.

Take care.