Chi disproved?

Originally posted by dave420
The ouija board has been shown to be caused by the ideomotor effect.

Have you ever personally tested it?

As for you lifting people with your fingertips, unless you do it in a controlled environment, there is nothing to test, as what you claim is anecdotal evidence, which is not a sound enough basis for a hypothesis.

The early developers of scientific method acknowledged that science has its limits. They accepted that there are some things which it cannot test. Your point is an example of how people have forgotten that. Sadly science, though a useful tool still, has become dominated by zealots, rather like some religions.

It's up to those making the claims to provide the evidence, and until that happens, the claims are just that - claims devoid of evidence, and should be treated as such.

You discount things out of hand that you have no experience of. Test it yourself before discounting.

So please, continue to embrace ignorance. I'll be learning, and you'll still be living in denial about the real world, scared to embrace science in case it points out what you believe to be unsubstantiated bunkum.

I can apply exactly the same point to you. The difference is I have personally tested these phenomena, while you have not.

I am not here to argue. I am not here to spread lies or make myself look better to a bunch of people I do not know on the internet. I am not here to call anyone stupid or ignorant; I am here to inform.
Now, from a completely Western scientific viewpoint everything in existence is made up of nothing but pure energy in the form of waves vibrating at certain frequencies with bits matter(which is just super-concentrated energy) strewn hither and thither. Imagine it is a form of Cosmic soup. I make that analogy as I am hungry and desire soup.
Anyway, chi, which is just the most basic energy type there is in the world, permeates everything and makes up everything and is more evident in living beings than non-living beings. It, for lack of better words, IS ALL.
Quite frankly, I am surprised that all of you out there in internet land who keep looking towards science for answers have not heard of Franz Mesmer, Wilhelm Reich, Baron Carl von Reichenbach, or Manfred Curry to list a few. Also, it is odd that you are unaware of the fact that most most large hospitals in the U.S. are starting to higher asian doctors skilled in TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) such as acupuncture and are beginning to have qi gung classes? And you cannot say that "the power of the mind is behind it alone", you are only half right. The mind is the OS of a computer; it has to have a channel to operate through i.e. chi. There is plenty of proof for the existence of chi if you dig deep enough. Have you ever wondered that maybe knowledge of this force that Western humanity has lost touch with is being deliberately held from us? Did you know that there is no word for chi in the Romance or Germanic languages (save the Celtic ones), but that 148 other cultures worldwide completely unrelated to each other have a word for the same thing?
Look up quantum mechanics and zero-point energy (which is chi). Look up the behavior of particles at the sub-sub-atomic level and how HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS affects those "particles".
As far as personal experience with chi goes, I am a disciple of Hun Gar kung fu's point of origin branch. There is only one master in the world left alive who knows this branch and I am fortunate enough to have stumbled upon him. Hun Gar comes from Wong Fei Hung, a Chinese hero who fought in the Boxer Rebellion and who Jackie Chan and Jet Li have starred in movies about.
I see the effects of chi everyday from Iron Palm and Iron Body, to qi gong, to candles being blown out with a punch from ten feet away. Oh, and the fact that my master is over fifty and looks like he is my age (18-21).
I am not here to call anyone stupid, but the world is full of too many people who parrot what others say and never do the research or even care to. Don't contribute to the mess our society is in today; don't be like the fascist elitist faction that controls the world. Be better. Think for yourselves. The truth around us is not hard to find when you know what questions to ask and where to look.

It seems as if I have "killed" a lot of threads today.

reply to post by rizla


I don't have to personally test anything. If someone else has, then I don't have to. That's the beauty of the scientific method. If it wasn't the case, I'd have to test that gravity and EM fields worked every day before I could interact with objects without worrying whether they'll shoot off into space or turn into jelly.

Enough research has been performed into Ouija boards that this discussion is pointless. Saying Ouija boards are supernatural is flogging a very dead (and uncontactable) horse.

As for your claims about the "early developers of the scientific method", I'd very much like to see your evidence for that. The scientific method, as everyone else on the planet understands, is based on observable effects. If something is observable (as you claim it is, that it can affect the physical world), then science can most definitely get to the bottom of it. The only things science can't deal with are things that have absolutely no effect on the world. As you know Chi is real, clearly you think it can affect the physical world.

If you know Chi is real, go do Randi's test, get your $1m, and give it to charity. If not, you're either full of it, or selfish. I wish there was a third option - maybe you can explain it to me.

Your own experiences are NOT scientific evidence. They might be good enough to form a hypotheses, but not good enough to form a theory. No scientist in the world works that way, as it's contrary to the scientific method.

I'm not embracing ignorance. I'm embracing the hundreds of years of the perfectly-functioning scientific method, and the countless studies into "paranormal" occurences which turn out, every single time, to be the misguided interpretation of phenomena with mundane explanations, by people who simply didn't know better, and put full trust in their own experiences, instead of carrying out independently verifiable experiments, which are the cornerstone of the scientific theory.

So, in short, it's up to you to demonstrate it happens, in a controlled environment, before anyone should believe it. It's not up to me, or anyone else, to perform these experiments, as it's impossible to prove a negative. You make the claims, you put up the evidence.

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did anyone ever think that maby "Luigi" was useing some sort of psychic block. if he was experianced enough with chi than that would be very possible. Some thing as up and down as chi cannot be proven or disproven, it has to be believed in, or not believed in, its just that simple. i think a few to many of you people have too much time on your hands.

i'd like to give a personal account on this one. At a place i used to work there was this bouncer everyone called master splinter. he preformed a no-touch knock-out on myself and several of my coworkers. I didn't believe he could do anything to me without touching me, i remember him moving his hands around the front-sides of my head in a tight circular motion. Then i remember waking up on the floor.

reply to post by jcbrownman


I don't think this video proves Chi isn't real. It just proves that these folks don't know what they're talking about or how to use it.

Fung shui is not a Japanese despline! It is one that comes from China.

I don't particularly care what it is called -- Chi is as good as anything, far as I'm concerned. This video exposed, in my opinion, a person who has skills, but has perhaps become enamored with the performance and has maybe even lost a little of what he once had.

I've been doing Tai Chi -- mostly on the beach, most mornings before sunup -- for more than 15 years. I enjoy a level of fluidity that I don't think I'd have without these motions. I streatch a fair amount, more as I get older.

This is my truth: When I am weary, tired and have more road to travel before I can rest, I gather energy from around me. I think I saw this in a fractured old movie to tell you the truth, but it works for me. If I am mixing and pouring and trowelling concrete and feeling tired, I can enfuse myself with more......... of...........something...... and I don't give a damn who laughs about it, I take those snickers on the jobsite easily. Belief-driven? Self-hypnosis? Self-fulfilling prophecy? Perhaps all three or none of them. I don't care, really, because I've lost the desire to analyze it It works. That's all I need to know, other than on the rare occasion when someone asks about it.

Nothing particularly mysterious about it...... when I'm sucking too much air, and feeling tired, I make loose curves of my arms and slowly "scoop" with my palms outward, drawing them inward toward the center of my body. A couple of times of doing this, I perceive a density of the space between my hands and at that time, I turn my hands downward and slowly push whatever it is (or isn't) to below my stomach.

I've had occasion to dig very deep for more at critical times in my life. Everyone can do this with sheer will and adrenalin in times of extreme stress. I believe we can learn to be a part of the fabric, and......... sometimes borrow a bit, sometimes give it back.

Very interesting thread, all the varying degrees of views, OP...... thanks