Chi disproved?

"Chi" is naturually accurring energy that is ambient in all living things. Learning to manifest "Chi" requires mental and physical abilities working together they have to be in "harmony". As with any human endeavor you will come across many approaches to the same issue or topic. The person delivering "Chi" may have done just that but with an unexpected result. You can transfer "Chi" energy from one person to another for different purposes. What I would like to stress is that originally the process of learning about "Chi" required a Master (a teacher) and one or more students. It required discipline and fedelity of the student to the teacher, the student learned more as his discipline and wisdom to apply his skills grew. Long ago it was restricted knowledge with the Hindus sect in India and traveled via a Monk to China but it gave birth to a whole religious system Buddahism. I'm talking about the discipline and concepts of Thai Chi Wyan,, "Chi" energy has always been with man.
I really dont think much of this video because it makes (to me) a once venerated and previously arcane study ,,into sensationalism ,,like KU FU Fighting ,,its so exciting , like a popular fad. The structured relationship between a master and his student required more than punching people and tossing invisible energy around like a Wal-mart toy ball (the latest cool thing to have).
So Chi is as difficult to disprove as it is to prove,, its in the eye of the beholder, and if you are serious go to a sefus who has the credintials to teach THai Chi Wyan and the discipline surrounding "Chi" otherwise consider it another fad and dont wory about it hehe.

Saying that it's spiritual and therefore beyond the realm of man is just a cheap way to say "I'm trying to protect my beliefs from scrutiny."

the universe is everything, everything we are is here. Physical or "spiritual." There should be something visible of the chi, even if we don't understand it.

reply to post by Holygamer


Oh really?
Gravity is "beyond the realm of man" we don't understand how it works or even WHY it works.
Your attempts to hedge in my responses with stubborn "This is the way it is cause I say so" doesn't work.
Might want to try a different drawing board.
I know what I am saying and why I am saying it so kindly stop trying to tell me I am doing what I am not.
Unless you have another "magickal" superpower which is telepathy.
And you'd have be pretty strong too considering your no where near me in rl.

reply to post by Jazzyguy


I know chi exists. I've experienced and to a certain extent used it myself. I have even felt it without being in physical contact with the other person. However, whether it can be used to effect an object without touching it, I just don't know.

Originally posted by WraothAscendant
I always equated another in a great many examples of the power of the mind and belief.
After all look at miraculous recoveries.
How someone can shut their body down to near zero and recover from it.
Etc etc etc etc etc etc.

If you've been watching "the human body" on discovery you'd understand this is a survival mechanism in our body to help us survive.. The body is amazing at keeping you alive... Check into it, it's definitely worth a watch!

Also quick note to whoever said monks can withstand a spear using chi... The way they push on the spear has a lot to do with how much they can withstand... If the monks took the spear straight to the throat and nothing happened I might be more inclined to believe the spear thing is more than just a trick...

reply to post by ElectricUncleSam


That's a different kind of Chi. It's 'hard' external chi used to make the outside of the body hard.

The chi used in Tai Chi is internal chi. It can be used to heal and rejuvenate organs.

They are both real.

reply to post by rizla


What about feng shui though, if I'm not mistaken feng shui is an art that try to regulate chi flow. Flowing from where to where. From the person in the house or from the house itself?

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
reply to post by rizla

 

What about feng shui though, if I'm not mistaken feng shui is an art that try to regulate chi flow. Flowing from where to where. From the person in the house or from the house itself?

Yes, as I understand it. I've never practiced Feng Shui. I've only used it in Tai Chi.

reply to post by ElectricUncleSam


Actually no. I saw it screw up once. Accidently cut the guy's jugular. He was able to slow his body down to nil as to stop bleeding out so bad and he did survive.

If chi isn't real, how do you explain my hadōken? Hmmm? FLaming energy balls are direct proof of chi.

reply to post by rizla


So chi is strictly human's? Do animals and plants have chi? Do mountain and earth have chis or is it because there are humans living in them?


edit to add this:

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


What about Guile sonic boom? Is it chi or not?

[edit on Fri, 14 Mar 08 by Jazzyguy]

reply to post by Jazzyguy


No no. Charlie has hte Sonic boom.

Guile has "Sawnic f'king BOOM!" Witness:
*snip*

Yoga noogie!




Why... I oughta' noogie ...
Bad TWF.

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Profanity


[edit on 14-3-2008 by Jbird]

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
So chi is strictly human's? Do animals and plants have chi? Do mountain and earth have chis or is it because there are humans living in them?

My teacher told me it didn't work with inanimate objects. Saying that, it is possible to suffuse chi along an inanimate object, for example a sword. He said it was much easier to transmit chi via a metal sword than via a wooden practice sword. I personally never felt that.

I'm pretty sure animals have chi, but I don't know if a tai chi practitioner could manipulate animal chi in the same way he/she could with a human.

reply to post by Holygamer

Who said that? I must of missed that one. My response is ,, harnessing Chi takes skill and discipline ,, if you really want to know take the time to really study if from an trained expert not attempt to minic an occurrance on a video.

reply to post by rizla

Chi is a naturally occurring phenomena in nature and is in all living things.
Human by virtue of their cognition have the ability to shape and manipulate their surroundings that other animals cant.

You teacher is right you cant infuse 'Chi" energy into an inanimate object as it has no active meridians functioning within it like a human. Although the earth's mantle is a channel for this nature energy, just as copper conducts electricity. The energy passes throught it without changing it.
Objects can be an extension of man's intent both weapons (sword, guns and knives) and paint brushes (chinese calligraphy) was used to train the wrists ,,,and painting (brush strokes) to sharpen the hand and eye coordintation in more than two dimensions,, color contrast and shadows created a 3 rd dimension that your hand and eye learn to work tog

reply to post by jcbrownman


Chi hasn't even been demonstrated in a controlled environment, so you have to make a massive leap of faith to believe it exists.

Chi is the moving. Wind, when captured in a box is no longer wind, only air. Chi is what moves the wind, along with every other item and being in existence. The energy we gather from a breath is put to use in one of many ways. We direct it, subconsciously moreso than consciously.

Through learned discipline and the merger of active visualization and directed intent, a person broadens their awareness of the subtle flux, the interplay, the application of vibration to static material. when you become familiar with a topic, tool, etc, you can better apply it. "Masters" can direct their "air". They can focus oxygenation of cells to anywhere in their body, altering interaction at the micro and thus macro levels. Chi is "energy" and the system of channels, meridians, it follows.

[edit on 18-3-2008 by rizla]

Originally posted by dave420
reply to post by jcbrownman

 

Chi hasn't even been demonstrated in a controlled environment, so you have to make a massive leap of faith to believe it exists.

Have you ever tested it? Are you sure no one has tested it? I have experienced it in action and it is real. See my sig.

reply to post by dave420

"Chi hasn't even been demonstrated in a controlled environment, so you have to make a massive leap of faith to believe it exists."

Well the fact that science is unable to devise means to detect and measure "paranormal" pheonoma (anything that they cant apply emperical science to) to me doesnt mean it something is impossible,

For instance,, most educated people accept that the world is round,,,why,, how many have seen for themselves,, under emperical standards have seen the earth as a globe,,,yet most of us accept is as truth and scientific fact. Same for atoms and electrons, and a lot of modern science.

Once you have seen the power of "Chi" demonstrated for yourself it wont be a leap of faith any more.