Do you think Judas should be forgiven for betraying Jesus?

reply to post by ben91069


Ben, I see and feel Judas in me. He questioned. he asked. Aside from the drivel, if you want to see, I can feel, live his indecision. Jesus had started something that was new. It was going somewhere. It had relevance in an ancient society that echoes today. Jesus supposedly had a program he had to follow. I can respect that. In that time, a statement had to be made. It was a powerful statement, one we should hear today. They all made sacrifices, to make statements.

Are you listening today?

reply to post by medjhiesco



Yes. Jesus sacrificed the body, the hard part. We must sacrifice the spirit (give it up) to the woman. It's actually quite easy for the higher self is merely playing with the lower self, and he goes in and out in spirit until the point where the inside must come out.

We do not need to do anything but believe it.

Yes' Jesus Christ (^^,) is the Way

Judas? Nope Because He Commit Suicide (^^,)

[edit on 16-3-2008 by johnb1]

reply to post by Jovi1


i was thinking of Him today, Lucifer. i was thinking as to how approximately 2 and 1/2 years ago He came to test me. And He did so, and we walked through a field together filled with bare rows waiting to bring forth fruit, and we talked while striding side by side. It was then He commanded me to succumb to His drastic will, His anger, to be lifted in His glory of darkness. And we as walked i listened to His words, to His reasoning. i listened to His heart and felt the depths of His pain, so deep that all hatred is born of it. And with understanding i spoke to Him forth right, was honest and sincere yet clear in all intentions. It was then He was told He will fall, He will feel His pain and give way to it, He will crumble as pain does when it hurts so deeply it immobilizes the being, and in His fall He will thus be raised and healed as only Love can.

He was not happy, and i laughed amidst His anger. Not in mocking but in His thoughts that He could bring me pain with potential destruction; in which is not a possibility as all souls are eternal.

i was thinking today, after this experience year 1 later, God came upon the mountain and revealed His kingdom. Just as it always has been, the adversary comes first and then God. Today i realized such, that it has already happened...

He is already here, and he comes in pain; all negative aspects splinter from pain - thus defiance is not defiance if understood - but simply pain as the original source.

Love Always in every eternity,
Laon

For those Who love this movie If it is Real or Not then He really Truly cannot Be forgiven




Job is A Righteous Man of GOD Almighty He did Not Deny and Defy GOD



Satan cannot Kill Job

Back on 3/11 I made two posts on this thread in regard to Judas, one showing the difference of the mind of Jesus by comparison of Peter to Judas, then came back in and considered, not knowing Judas’ heart, alluding to the possibility that he was forgiven, leaving that in the hands of God. That is fine and dandy, but, the peculiar thing, when I made that second post and walked away, I had the most unusual disappointment rise up within me. I am very sensitive to the Holy Spirit and recognized this feeling as coming from him, as did the thought, I had willingly compromised the truth, which is laid out plain and clear for anyone to see. That was last week, and I moved on to other issues and life in general.

This morning, while I was engaged in reading the scriptures, particularly the book of John, I came across this scripture, where Jesus is talking to God, the Father, in the presence of the disciples. Whether Judas is present when this statement was made, I can not find indication.

And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are. While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. (John 17:11-12)

What I find interesting, outside of the fact that it clearly indicates that Judas would be lost , is how Jesus defines Judas, the son of perdition, which is the same definition Paul ascribes to the anti-christ:

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;(II Thessalonians 2:3)

However you look at it, son of perdition holds no positive thought whatsoever and if Jesus stated that Judas was the son of perdition and he was lost, then outside of that, I don’t think we can bring in any hope in whatsoever, unless we give way to the anti-christ and conclude that, regardless, God will also forgive him, through Christ, even though scripture presents him as a clear adversary of Christ and all He represents.

What I have stated above, keep in mind, is confined to Judas, and his fate should not be used for the purpose of defining everyone else who has taken their life. As Jesus said when eating the Passover with His disciples:

The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born. (Mark 14:21)

The key between Judas and those who take their own life, as for their fate, can be found in the word betrayal.

Originally posted by jdposey

The key between Judas and those who take their own life, as for their fate, can be found in the word betrayal.

Interesting commentary jd. I think you are saying one thing but may be saying another, for I cannot tell of your what you know within you, but here is my take.

As for the son of perdition being lost, I believe it is saying that he is only lost until he is found. I believe we all have the capability to be our own Judas and that until we find our identity in relationship to being like the son of God, we are lost. There is hope, in my opinion, that nothing remains lost forever, just misplaced - except maybe socks in the dryer; they remain lost forever.

Do you see the duality between Jesus and Judas? One gives up the spirit willingly for the purpose of love, which is why he was pierced as the test of death and one gave up his own body willingly because of unfulfilled remorse and lack of faith.

I believe the anti-Christ is the type of Judas who finds him self.

reply to post by jdposey


"However you look at it, son of perdition holds no positive thought whatsoever and if Jesus stated that Judas was the son of perdition and he was lost, then outside of that, I don’t think we can bring in any hope in whatsoever, unless we give way to the anti-christ and conclude that, regardless, God will also forgive him, through Christ, even though scripture presents him as a clear adversary of Christ and all He represents."

If it be there is no positive thought in the sons of perdition, then there be no hope in God. For God is pure love and hope for all. Please consider that to have such a thought as your statement quoted is to give way to that which you state. to have faith and knowing, to choose the path of light is to know they are well on their individual path. Have faith and hope for all as Jesus taught, please. Choose the positive instead of the negative the above is tempting you to do.

Love always,
Laon

reply to post by ben91069


Hey Ben!

Gotta song for you today. Listening to it now and it's Awesome!



By phil collins and the tarzan movie

"the power to be strong and the wisdom to be wise, all these things will come to you in time. On this journey that your making, there be answers that you seek, and its you who climb the mountain, its you who reach the peak.

Son of man look to the sky. Lift your spirit set it free. Someday you'll walk talk with pride. Son of man a man in time you'll be.

Though there's no one there to guide, no one to take your hand, but with faith and understanding you will journey from boy to man.

Son of man look to the sky. Lift your spirit set it free. Someday you'll walk talk
with pride. Son of man a man in time you'll be.

In learning you will teach, and in teaching you will learn. You'll find your place besides the ones you Love. All the things you dreamed off, the visions that you saw, well the time is drawing near now, it's yours to claim it all.

Son of man look to the sky. Lift your spirit set it free. Someday you'll walk talk with pride. Son of man a man in time you'll be."

God is Man too! And the song states "someday you'll walk tall with pride. But what came coming out typing was talk. So, i will leave it as such.

love always,
Laon

P.S. thought the message needed to be shared because i was told it needed to be.

reply to post by jdposey


This one for you (^^,)

Nice

Psalm 53:2

2 God looks down from heaven
on the sons of men
to see if there are any who understand,
any who seek God.

Why would anyone forgive Judas? That's too Christian of a concept for most Christians to deal with. It also assumes that Jesus/God is so stupid, he/they had no idea what was going to take place.

Because We Do Not Defy and Rebel Against GOD Almighty

If you We Are going to Analyze our-self We are Fit to do what is All good to our Body but if you did Not Live your Life in A Healthy Life Style Living and Do not Obey the Good Stuffs What it is Written on the BIBLE Then The Evil Satan Will Summon a Spirit to Occupy a man Hearts and Mind to do bad things.

Ephesians 2:10

10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

Cheer-up Don't feel Upset As Long there an Air to Breath and you are still Confuse and asking for more TRUTH you are still In Good Physical Health unlike to those who did not love their Body " to Much is Dangerous and Too many is Poisonous"

reply to post by johnb1


hmmmmmm... sweet thoughts John Boy! Totally awesome!

Big happy sigh and smile...


Love

There was a show on discovery, last night called the real Jesus.
They said the word used to desribe Judas, translated betrayer, is normaly, any time it is not used with Judas, is translated the one who turns someone in.
Great fun if you want to let him off the hook, but no deal.
It says the devel intered into him and his death is described in a way to show he got what he deserved, so, do not be decieved.

Sounds like a few too many people have been watching Passion of The Christ

Although this was a very emotionally powerful movie its telling the wrong part of the story, its telling the story as if it were a tragedy when in actuality the story doesnt end when Jesus dies. After the ending of the movie, im sure most of you already know this, but the tragedy turns into one of the greatest "happily ever afters" ever. You see Jesus was meant to die, from the time he was born this was his destiny...to die for all mankinds salvation, so should Judas be let off the hook?...in my opinion he was never on the hook just simply acting out his role in destiny

Originally posted by ben91069
reply to post by medjhiesco

 

Yes. Jesus sacrificed the body, the hard part. We must sacrifice the spirit (give it up) to the woman. It's actually quite easy for the higher self is merely playing with the lower self, and he goes in and out in spirit until the point where the inside must come out.

We do not need to do anything but believe it.

james 2:[19] Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

does that mean demons will be saved too?

Originally posted by Secret Shadow
Sounds like a few too many people have been watching Passion of The Christ

Although this was a very emotionally powerful movie its telling the wrong part of the story, its telling the story as if it were a tragedy when in actuality the story doesnt end when Jesus dies. After the ending of the movie, im sure most of you already know this, but the tragedy turns into one of the greatest "happily ever afters" ever. You see Jesus was meant to die, from the time he was born this was his destiny...to die for all mankinds salvation, so should Judas be let off the hook?...in my opinion he was never on the hook just simply acting out his role in destiny

it is possible though that jesus would have been put to death even if judas didnt betray him.

your right, jesus´destiny was to die, if he wanted god´s will, he had to die. but judas had free will. theres nothing to say that judas HAD to betray him

Yes, I believe Judas should be forgiven because he was predestined to do what he did so that Jesus would die for our sins. If Jesus did no want him to do it, he could have stopped him.

reply to post by johnb1


Can you give me some passages that says committing sucide is a sin? I am not challenging you but that is what brought me to this string. I am looking for passages to help me understand. I know thou shall not kill. I need more. Any help would be appreciated.
Thank you
Tina

I don't think its matter of what we want or think. Did not Jesus say something like woe onto him who betrays the son! I believe Jesus already said Judas judgement which was not good I believe? Did not Jesus say it would of been better for him not to have been born!

And you know what bugs me about this situation? At the table right before Judas left. Didn't something enter Judas to make him betray Judas?

Heres what I think I don't if Judas did what he did by free will, then it is right for God to judge him the way God wants to judge him. But if Judas did not betray on his own will then no Judas shouldn't be damned!