Students attempt Citizens Arrest on Rove!

Originally posted by jsobecky
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The United States was not founded upon rights only for a select few.

To keep it short, your quote here is exactly what I am saying.

First of all, it was written for a select few. The select few who wrote it were rich and were going to get reimbursed for financing our independence.

That being said, since then it's been hacked by a further select few,
The state of our country has been guided and is now in the toilet because of a select few..
so yep, I applaud these people.

Sure, this stance opens up all cans of "rights" worms, but a can of woop-ass should have been opened a long time ago instead of this petty theatric they are limited to because it's the peaceful way.

Naturally though.. in my head through logic I take your side. Reality is changing though so I'm starting to support those that go out of their way for a true good cause or affect.

such is the state of things..

b

Originally posted by blahblah123

What is up with the hypocrites on this forum? Let me get this straight:
Rove has a right to talk and say whatever he wants but people who disagree with him don't?
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I have a question for the supporters of the Bush administration:
Why do some Republicans think that a Republican lying to start wars and taking away personal rights (ie. Patriot Act) is just fine, but when a Democrat gets a blowjob he needs impeached? I can't believe the way some people in this country think.

While the protesters certainly have a right to say whatever they want, they don't have the right to do it in the manner and at the venue in question. This was a speech given at a University, where civil discourse and debate of ideas are encouraged in the proper formats. Two non students then proceed to disrupt the even and break all of those ideals by barging in and trying their citizens arrest. Freedom of speech does not give you the right to say whatever you want, wherever you want and when you want.

Before you start your partisan politics please look into which Democrats voted for the Iraq Resolution and the Patriot act. Also look into what Clinton was impeached for.

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I totally agree with you about the double standard here, especially in this thread. If you look on page 4 of this thread the same poster you mentioned above again was very insulting by saying, "F U Man".

Normally I would not care but when I see the Mod's smacking down people for practically nothing who happen to have a different viewpoint from the liberal point of view, I get very aggitated. You are absolutely correct about the partisan knuckle dragging sign the mods use. Funny how it never happens when its an extreme liberal point of view.






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Ran across the VIDEO of it! Take a gander and weigh in folks! Whatever comes of this, I DO hope Rove is eventually prosecuted for the despicable acts he helped set into motion...

miaculpa.blogspot.com...

LOL @ the title of their story!

[edit on 12-3-2008 by DimensionalDetective]

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Lets see someone defend the "civilized" behavior of the people yelling in the crowd. Great to see how rude they were.

I especially like this little comment:

Radio Iowa also reports one audience member told Rove that MSNBC's Keith Olbermann named him the "worst person ever."

"Ever?" Rove joked. "Yea, worse than Hitler, worse than Stalin, worse than Mao and worse than the person who introduced aluminum baseball bats."

[edit on 12-3-2008 by pavil]

Originally posted by 4thDoctorWhoFan

I totally agree with you about the double standard here, especially in this thread. If you look on page 4 of this thread the same poster you mentioned above again was very insulting by saying, "F U Man".

Yeah, I guess I did kind of "fly of the handle" there. I apologize, however go back and see that it was in response to an ATTACK on me (also VERY INSULTING), by being compared to Timothy McVay! I would think that would ALSO be against forum rules and note that I am not making comparisions of other users to any other people (especially that happen to be child murderers).

BTW, I was not making "death threats" against Rove, I was simply implying that our justice system has failed us, our democratic system has failed us, there is no accountability for these scumbags anymore leaving only a few options to those who demand justice in the case of wrongdoing, so at some point vigilante behavior including the use of violent tactics is going to come into play. I however will sit by the side, as usual, and go about my daily routine which includes educating myself about the atrocious state of America today but not violent vigilante behavior! However,I am not going to sit idly by while being compared to the "ilk of Timothy McVay", thank you.

Originally posted by Realtruth
reply to post by percievedreality

 

I am going to be keeping my eye on you.

Great work in finding all the facts and details on this issue.

This is what ATS is all about "Deny Ignorance".

Well, I am glad I have at least one other user here I would consider a friend. Rove is pure evil, using demographic profiling and pure deception to spin the elites' agenda along. This is not a man you would want as a neighbor, teacher, boss, politican, etc. I love it how we (and a few others) can give boatloads of information about questionable behavior by Rove, but the other side still claims it as "trumped up evidence" and these two brave individuals as throwing temper-tantrums because they are not getting their way! It is just like the non-believers of the 9/11 truth movement, saying where is the evidence? Here is a clue, either being constantly concealed from those that seek it OR already destroyed to cover the possibility of it ever coming to light. Corruption that continues to abound while being left unchecked. We are not the anarchists, they are!!

For every person who issued a statement indicating that they are glad to see that you Americans, and the parents, and other such, I'd like to ask if they themselves have done ANYTHING of the sort themselves?

Walking in a government controlled single file line to protest the war (before it even began) is outrageous! To have to pay to protest is outrageous! To not be able to "Peaceably assemle", and be forced behind barracades a mile away from political Meat-heads... meeting of the G-8, the republicrap Bu#e assemblies, or the democrap Clintonski assemblies, etc is outrageous! To have your license plate taken down at such events is outrageous!

Is this is, or is this not AMERICA?! The right to make a citizens arrest is Constitutional. Time to take it to the "Peace" Officers that illegally and unnecessarily speed on our streets, not to mention tazering people to death, or shooting a pot smoker in the back... etc, etc, ad nauseum...

It's way past time to make waves... and these people did the "right" thing. If you don't think the system is broken, go back to Common Law and then see what you have lost. Or, just for kicks, just go back 50 years!

Those of you who patronize the maniacal Rovinski, for whatever reason, should have your heads deleted, re-formated, and re-booted up the wazoo to accept REALITY! Working within a corrupt system is not going to help anyone, to think otherwise is insane. Ron Paul is the best current example of the blight on this nation by media and their minutemaids.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any. - Boston T Party

The student went after the wrong man, George W. Bush is the one they should be looking for.

Originally posted by CLT1985
The student went after the wrong man, George W. Bush is the one they should be looking for.

Bush is a stooge who often stumbles in his speech. Hey Decider, the plural of child is children, not childrens! You think this dude should be our commander in chief? Rove and other brilliant but corrupt and deceptive people like him are more dangerous than Bush, IMO. Let's just say they went after the "brains behind the operation" at least in the efforts of getting Bush into position for the last 8 years. I mean, did anyone actually watch the debates in '04? Bush is about as smart at a 10th grader. Hey, I know, let's put him on that game show with Jeff Foxworthy and see him lose to a child. Boy I am dreaming, but damn is it funny.

BTW - I really want people to think about this question, especially those "undecided" or "on the fence" types, those some would argue have not been "skewed left or right".

What time in America, a democracy, not a monarch, did the citizens begin to seemingly vote families into a monarch dynasty rule? We had father and son 8 years apart, and now we might have husband and wife 8 years apart. Our forefathers broke away from the rule of king and queen and secured your freedom! VOTE for CHANGE people, your life might soon enough depend on it.

[edit on 12-3-2008 by percievedreality]

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Don't correct people on grammar before looking at your own work. We all make mistakes when getting our thoughts down on these boards.

Thank You.

reply to post by pavil


Ok first off I think all political parties are dumb. I'm not a democrat or republican. Secondly, look at who introduced the Iraq Resolution and who signed the Patriot Act into law. Finally, yes Clinton was impeached for perjury but it was all about a blow job that was nobody's business in the first place and the Republicans made a big deal about it to try to get him impeached. Most importantly you completely missed the point. Bush has lied worse than Clinton. Clinton lied about a blow job and Bush lied about Weapons of Mass Destruction and how many people have now died because of it? Bush has done FAR FAR worse things than Clinton did, but yet Bush hasn't been impeached but Clinton was. I don't know any simpler way of saying it so you understand.

PS I will say whatever I want, wherever I want and whenever I want. Thats a basic human right and I dont care if someone or the government tells me I can't.

reply to post by BlueRaja


Did you also completely miss the point of my post? They both lied. The one getting a BJ was impeached, the one who starts a pointless war and creates a law that takes away our rights isn't.

What is wrong in America when somebody getting a BJ and lying about it is punished worse than a person who basically destroys America? (Don't even deny it..Everyday I see ads in my local paper for foreclosures, repossessed cars, and a city with many people that work 2 or more jobs and can't make it.

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Welcome to America where we kill to show people that killing people is wrong and speed to show people that speeding is wrong.

But seriously you raise some very good points. The whole having to have a permit to protest is just ridiculous. People focus too much on what rights the Constitution says they have, when no piece of paper should stop you from doing the right thing. You were born with a brain and a mouth, use them! As Bush so wisely stated (sarcasm) "If you don't stand for anything, you don't stand for anything. If you don't stand for something, you don't stand for anything."

reply to post by 4thDoctorWhoFan


You are completely right. I have been absolutely astounded at how absolutely crazy liberal this board is, it is very discouraging. If ATS is to actually continue to expand, it needs to quickly stop allowing such extremism to run over anyone with an opposing point of view. Otherwise, this will turn into a political ranting board for liberals - and it is coming close. In this thread I've seen people call for the death of political figures, in others I've seen them call for the torture and jailing other political figures - all, of course, republican officials. People are so consumed with a political driven hatred that its frightening.

There are ideologically driven crazy people on both sides of the spectrum. But on this forum, it seems to be very one sided and even encouraged by the staff. Sometimes I wish people would look at the facts instead of just spouting venomous hatred toward everyone who doesn't agree with them as they have been instructed to by their political party.

If right wing lunatics had interrupted a Barack Obama speech, there would be outrage. But its completely OK to interrupt a Karl Rove speech and compare him to Hitler. In fact, some people are actually overjoyed by it!

There is a very small minority of people on this forum that seem capable of expressing their dislike for Bush or his administration without being outright insulting about it. Why is it people are so incapable of intellectually talking about why they disagree with someone? Because its more about feeling self-righteous and thinking your right than actually critically examining the situation. I don't think I've seen very many posts in this thread where someone who dislikes Bush or Rove was able to communicate it without being insulting. As someone who dislikes Bush, people like this disgust me.


[edit on 13-3-2008 by pacificwind]

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You are absolutely correct about all of this! While it seems that we have different viewpoints you are absolutely correct that it should be fair for both sides...isn't that the point of America anyway? Also calling for an assassination of anybody should not be tolerated.

I like to debate and try to understand other peoples opinions, and that is what my post was about...and in my post I named Republicans just for the fact that Bush is a Republican president. So hopefully people don't take my post as being one sided, considering I don't vote for people because of their party I vote for people because of their stance on issues. I would have actually voted Republican if anybody else but McCain had gotten it. (I don't really like any of the people running this time around.)

The only thing that I find hypocritical is this part:
"I will bet you a billion dollars if "gay" was insinuated instead of "republicans", you'd have removed the post."
I have seen the Anne Coulter video of her calling John Edwards a fag. So there is a republican not insinuating, but flat out saying it on NATIONAL TV!!!

Posters should act civil to one another, no matter what viewpoints they have. Also I'm fairly new to Above Top Secret, but do they actually give you a "you're on the wrong political side" image?!?! If that is true that is RIDICULOUS!!!!

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Tell me about it! I get typing and then when I'm done Firefox has about every 4th word underlined in red. haha

Originally posted by blahblah123

The only thing that I find hypocritical is this part:

"I will bet you a billion dollars if "gay" was insinuated instead of "republicans", you'd have removed the post."

I have seen the Anne Coulter video of her calling John Edwards a fag. So there is a republican not insinuating, but flat out saying it on NATIONAL TV!!!

How is that hypocritical? I am not Ann Coulter!
Even if I were, Ann (or I) didn't not call for the assasination of John Edwards cause he's gay (which he obviously isn't)

what has that got to do with perceivedreality calling for an assasination?
I was calling out ATS mods for being biased in every way.


I think AC is a douche, who cares if someone is gay.. what difference does it make.
and by the way, conservatives don't hate gay, thats a media myth.


I am missing your point on that one?
Please explain I am intrigued.


My point was that the liberal bias on ATS would allow someone to sugest the assasination of a republican but immediately remove te post if it suggested a gay person be assasinated.


it had nothing to do with anything any conservative was saying, my comment was directly to the assasination suggestion. I wasn't here discussing the hypocritical nature of both side of the fence in general and I certainly wasn't being hypocritical in the slightest.




********** Off the subject but to the point **********

Two hetrosexual men are asked to watch a gay porn video for research purposes.
One is a conservative one is a liberal.
They are asked to write down their feelings on a sheet after the film.

The conservative writes. "not my cup of tea"
The liberal writes "not my cup of tea"

The conservatives gets a grade of "Hateful bigot"
the liberal gets a grade of "Openminded and Tolerant"

****************************************

Moving on....

reply to post by percievedreality


What about the majority of Americans that don't want to see a vocal few resort to violence because they feel their grievances aren't being addressed? If there was a consensus among the majority of the population on some of these issues it'd be one thing, but there's nowhere near a consensus that feel that violence against public officials is appropriate to achieve a goal.

reply to post by pacificwind


Liberals/Left Wingers/etc... feel that they don't need to be civil because what they have to say is so important, it doesn't matter how rudely, loudly it is, or appropriate for the venue, etc.. yet it's the conservatives that are narrow minded, bigoted, and intolerant.