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This is not a chemtrail! Atmospheric Phenomenen explained

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posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by carole9999
Look up the phrase 'aerosol campaign' on a search engine. The type and number of admitted government programs is interesting.


So what did YOU find? Here's what i found some time ago by just searching and reading for days on end.



Stimulation of ocean biomass with iron may be feasible and would be a relatively low-cost option. Its application appears to be limited at most to the mitigation of about 7 Gt CO2 equivalent per year (about 1.5 times U.S. annual CO2 emissions). The biological, ecological, and ocean chemical and physical dynamics of this possibility are not well understood and should be investigated further, both theoretically and experimentally. There continue to be questions as to whether iron is the limiting nutrient. Furthermore, the circulation dynamics of the antarctic ocean might severely limit the effect. If feasible, the mitigation potential of the possibility—storage of CO2 in a standing crop and as dissolved CO2 with slow sequestering of carbon to the ocean bottom—could probably be established over several years. If applications of iron were stopped, the standing crop would be expected to die within days or weeks, thus ending the mitigation effect.
Cloud stimulation by provision of cloud condensation nuclei appears to be a feasible and low-cost option capable of being used to mitigate any quantity of CO2 equivalent per year. Details of the cloud physics, verification of the amount of CCN to be added for a particular degree of mitigation, and the possible acid rain or other effects of adding CCN over the oceans need to be investigated before such system is put to use. Once a decision has been made, the system could be mobilized and begin to operate in a year or so, and mitigation effects would be immediate. If the system were stopped, the mitigation effect would presumably cease very rapidly, within days or weeks, as extra CCN were removed by rain and drizzle.

Several schemes depend on the effect of additional dust (or possibly soot) in the stratosphere or very low stratosphere screening out sunlight. Such dust might be delivered to the stratosphere by various means, including being fired with large rifles or rockets or being lifted by hydrogen or hot-air balloons. These possibilities appear feasible, economical, and capable of mitigating the effect of as much CO2 equivalent per year as we care to pay for. (Lifting dust, or soot, to the tropopause or the low stratosphere with aircraft may be limited, at low cost, to the mitigation of 8 to 80 Gt CO2 equivalent per year.) Such systems could probably be put into full effect within a year or two of a decision to do so, and mitigation effects would begin immediately. Because dust falls out naturally, if the delivery of dust were stopped, mitigation effects would cease within about 6 months for dust (or soot) delivered to the tropopause and within a couple of years for dust delivered to the midstratosphere.

books.nap.edu...



Probably the best-known of the aerial geoengineering proposals was that put forward in 1997 by Edward Teller and entitled ‘Global Warming and the Ice Ages: Prospects for Physics-Based Modulation of Global Change’ subsequently popularised in the Wall Street Journal in an article entitled ‘The Planet Needs a Sunscreen’.

Teller proposed deliberate, large-scale introduction of reflective particles into the upper atmosphere, a task he claimed could be achieved for less than $1 billion a year, between 0.1 and 1.0 percent of the $100 billion he estimated it would cost to bring fossil fuel usage in the United States back down to 1990 levels, as required by the Treaty of Kyoto.

Characteristic of the politics of Teller is the fact that he both ridiculed the idea of global warming and at the same time put forward what he represented as a solution to global warming. ‘For some reason,’ Teller observed sarcastically, ‘This option isn't as fashionable as all-out war on fossil fuels and the people who use them.’

www.spectrezine.org...



Teller says that cooling caused by volcanic eruptions shows this technique would work. For exmaple, the erruption of Mexico's El Chichon in the 1980s cooled the Northern Hemisphere by about one-quarter as much as the average prediction for global warming expected by 2100.

According to Teller, the director of the U.S. Global Change Research Program's Coordination Office has been promoting such geoengineering for three decades, and one National Academy of Sciences report a few years ago commented on "the relatively low costs at which some of the geoengineering options might be implemented."

Teller and his colleagues presented their proposal for geoengineering at the 22nd International Seminar on Planetary Emergencies in August 1997.

www.ncpa.org...


Hope that's more useful than telling others to 'go google' .

Stellar



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by Essan
Why can no one provide any evidence whatsoever that contrails are not contrails? And no, just saying they are chemtrails does not prove they are chemtrails however many times you repeat it


Here we go again? Are you sure?


Meanwhile, contrails continue to affect our weather and our climate and the disinformationists continue to divert attention by pushing their chemtrail lies ...... It's time we stood up and fought back against these people!


So do contrails block out sunlight or do they create a hothouse effect by which we can create global warming in the absence of other processes?


Originally posted by Essan
Are you saying that this is what is being sprayed and that all these persistent contrails folk claim to be chemtrails are indeed just persistent contrails after all?


Well i think what both of you can probably agree on is that the definition has been changed as well as air quality standards to reflect the new pollutants in our atmosphere.


It will be noted that in October of 1997 a change in the reporting system of visibility data was reduced from a former maximum of 40 miles to a limit of 10 miles. It is a reasonable question to ask as to why that change was made, and whether or not it was made in anticipation of certain events to follow that involve large scale aircraft aerosol operations over large scale geographic regions.

It is observed that there are highly significant degradations in the visibility data immediately following this change in the reporting method. Immediately after this change, the dramatic increase in visibility reports of less than 10 miles is quite apparent.The graphs shown are taken from climatic archive data available for Santa Fe, NM from Jan 1994 to Mar 2001. Three different time periods are shown to aid in demonstrating the magnitude of change which has occurred in visibility. The first graph shows all data available inclusive from

Jan 1994 to Mar 2001. The second graph shows the transition zone during which the visibility standards were altered. This graph showns a period
from Jan 1996 to Dec 1998; the change in reporting standard was made in Oct 1997. The third graph shows recent data, where visibility below 10
miles is now a regular occurrence. This graph shows the period from Jan 1999 to Mar 2001.

www.carnicom.com...



The proposed revisions address two categories of particulate matter: fine particles (PM2.5), which are 2.5 micrometers in diameter and smaller; and inhalable coarse particles (PM10-2.5), which are smaller than 10 micrometers in diameter but larger than PM2.5. EPA has had national air quality standards for fine particles since 1997 and for coarse particles 10 micrometers and smaller (PM10) since 1987EPA last revised the particulate matter standards in 1997. Under terms of a consent decree, EPA agreed to propose whether to revise the particulate matter standards by December 20, 2005; and committed to finalizing any revisions to the standards by September 27, 2006.

Proposal to Revise the National Ambient Air Quality


So if you just keep changing the definition maybe you don't have to admit anything.



The possiblity of stuff being sprayed is not being denied (though I have yet to see proof).


Sounds like we are getting somewhere!


All we're trying to do is demonstrate that peristent contrails and cirrus clouds are persistent contrails and cirrus clouds - just as they were 30 years ago.


No their not as thousands of Americans who have written to their representatives, to complain about the chemtrail pollution, have made clear.


There are simply more of them today because of the huge increase in air traffic over the past decade - hence why we are studying their impact on climate and weather!


There has been no massive increase in air traffic in North AMerican skies in the last decade. I think the on decade increase is in the region of 3% but maybe you can go get us the information as to what that represents in terms of hours flown? Maybe even let us know if engine technology or anything else has changed in a way that could have resulted in such a sudden change.

Stellar

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posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by Apsaroke

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
I have seen a few of these things posted by some users, claiming that they are from the government spraying chemicals into our atmosphere and frankly I have had a gutful.



Second from the bottom is "Cloud Seeding" where the concentration of perchlorate being used in an experimental nature is unknown. However, it is known by the California State Government that perchlorate IS being used in an experimental nature.

Apparantly there are two type of cloud seeding: One uses silvier iodide and the other with perchlorate (experimental).

By defination, the government *IS* spraying chemicals in the air in order to seed clouds and hence - they *ARE* spraying chemtrails (chemical trails).

www.weathermodification.org...

The above link has a great picture of the hygroscopic flares that are used. Research into hyrgroscopic flares will lead you to understanding that hygroscopic flares are used in cloud seeding.

Now, it's completely up to you if you want to live your life with your head in the sand and continue to beleive that the government is not spraying chemicals through the air that then in turn come back down to the earth with whatever rain and/or snow they have been able to "create".


Cloud seeding is not chemtrail spraying. It is a well known fact that cloud seeding is occuring across the world. Here in Australia, China and several other countries it is being used to promote the growth of water molecules in the air, to encourage the air to become super saturated, effectively increasing the chance of rain.



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 05:06 PM
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Originally posted by observe50
I will admit that I have not read all in this thread I am just responding to the OP.
I know you are into the weather but the pictures you showed are not chemtrails.


I am not just "into" the weather. Its my career choice. I did not say the pictures I posted were chemtrails, I posted weather unusual weather phenomenen that people MAY not understand and MAY think that they are man made.



I am surprised that with you dealing in this department that you do not know what a chemtrail is. I think you need to get out more, but that just my opinion..


I know what a chemtrail is, and I know they dont exist. I get out plenty with this job, half the time I am outside (every half hour to be exact) observing what clouds are in the sky and reporting to pilots what cloud, visibility, temperature, wind direction and speed, dewpoint and humidity conditions are in the upper atmosphere and the ground......maybe you need to get out more, do some research and read the posts




posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by graysnwo2012
although you know alot about atmospheric occurances you are obviously a moron because u failed to produce a single picture if a chemtrail.


Your the moron, you cant even read.......there was no place in the original thread that I said I was posting pictures of chemtrails.

From Moron



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by maggy may
This is alot of BS. I have seen the planes spraying our area on a daily basis and there is too much reliable information on the internet that says you are wrong.


Haha....too much reliable information in the internet.....absolutely hilarious. Yes, yahoo, google, rense etc are all reliable source, while my World Meterological Guidelines handbooks for reporting cloud, weather conditions, atmospheric phenomene aren't. Lol

Puleeeeze





Chemtrails NOT Contrails are being sprayed by government. I have tons of photos on this and it sounds like you are working for the government to give their lies or you have not checked into all the research on Chemtrails. The government likes to give double talk. Chemtrails are not from planes taking people on vacations.


So if I take a photo of a Bigfoot.....does that mean bigfoot exists. I may be in a government employed agency, but I am classified as a Public Servant....I serve the public. If I was that hell bent on hiding something, I sure wouldnt be wasting my time here


Germany has admitted spraying so I'll continue taking the photos and continue the grass root movement that believes this spraying is being done by government for secret reasons we probably won't find out about until years later when information is declassified in the Freedom of
Information Act.


Uh, havent you read the posts before. The German article was about CHAFF (radar deflecting particles) from fighter jets, affecting weather watch radars. It had nothing to do with spaying chemicals. Yes continue taking photos of contrails....good to have a hobby



Anyway, breathe the air deeply, when you come down with cancer- wonder where it came from !!


I will continue.....and you keep that gas mask on. If I get cancer, I i'll most likely contribute it to Carbon Monoxide, excessive drinking, passive smoking, too much time in the sun, poor diet etc......government spraying is the least of ine and your worries



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by Pilot


And no, I dont say or agree that anything that lingers is a chemtrail. I see lingering contrails all the time. Especially in the winter when we have seriously cold temps. Fact is. Contrails come in all shapes, sizes and last for various amounts of time.

[edit on 8-3-2008 by greeneyedleo]

why do they vary so??

cold temp hot temp, and in-between, the lingering trails are present as are the short lived ones...what could be a possible explanation for the two types to occur on the same day within minutes of one another, if your position is that it is the temperature...?


You do know weather conditions change right?

Air movements can bring in moist air or dry air, and inversions can change the temperature at different heights through the movement of cold, warm or occluded fronts as can high and low pressure systems. And planes do not necessarily fly at the exact same height. There are several factors that any pilot will tell you that will prevent this from happening.


[edit on 11/3/2008 by OzWeatherman]



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 08:52 PM
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US launches lost device hunt appeal

1 day ago

The United States Air Force is appealing for help to find a device mistakenly dropped by an American plane as it flew over the UK.

A "chaff module" fell from the transport aircraft - based at RAF Mildenhall in Suffolk - as it circuited the coastline on Monday, the USAF said.

The device containing flares is used to deter radar-guided missiles.

The USAF appealed for help in tracing the item but urged the public to stay away from it and not to use mobile phones when close by.

"Officials urge anyone finding objects with government markings to please report the find to their local constabulary," said a spokesman.

"For safety reasons, do not handle the chaff module or attempt to move it."

According to the American Air Education and Training Command website, a chaff module comprises "aluminium shavings that create an aluminium cloud to deter radar-guided missiles".

It also contains "flares" that can be detonated to "give off 3,000 degrees of heat to mislead heat-seeking missiles", the website said.


ukpress.google.com...



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 10:26 PM
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StellarX, regarding your post, bottom of page 7, first picture on top...

'chemtrail'?!?!?! Do you mean those compact, less than 200-foot-wide (66 metre) CONTRAILS? The ones that clearly show the passage of at least three commercial jets, who all were flying the same Airways, and turned at the same VOR...whilst the upper winds, differing winds, depending on altitude, showed the drift of the persistent CONTRAILS? Are those what you are pointing out?

So, somehow, a skinny 'chemtrail' at 35,000 feet will somehow affect something on the ground?!? How? I daresay, if someone wanted to spray us with chemicals, they would do it at a much lower altitude.

How many cropduster airplanes have you seen dusting crops from 35,000 feet? Or, 20,000 feet? Or even 10,000 feet?

Perhaps less Internet nonsense and moe science would be in order here...



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by Shroomery
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Originally posted by Shroomery

So you're guessing they won't reach the ground, that's not evidence, it's again wishfull thinking based on denying gravity or rain, possibly both.


Ever heard of condensation. Rain doesnt occur from high altitude clouds like cirrus, cirrostratus and cirrocumulus. It does fall as whats known as virga, which is precipitation that doesnt reach the ground, because it descneds into dryer air as it falls and consequently evaporates. Its not wishful thinking, its fact (and common sense)



You need evidence that metal particles fall to the ground? Why?
Shouldn't you be providing the rest of us evidence that under certain circumstances, stuff does not fall to the ground?


Ever heard of the jetstream? Do you know how high the winds are at high altitude? I assume you dont....well you have proved that you dont. Anything sprayed directly above you is not going to land on you....if it does reach the ground, it will be hundreds and possibly thousands of miles from where you are


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
So, doing it in broad daylight is "in secrecy" now?
Wow, you learn something new every day


Yeah I bet you do if you act as ignorant as you do right now.


Why is it. that when someone disagrees with a conspiracy theory, no matter how much factual evidence they provide here, they are labelled as ignorant?


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Tons of what stuff?
Do you have ONE shred of evidence it is anything other than exhaust and water vapor? Again, if you do please present it.

I did present it, multiple people stating radar images being affected, and from analysis they show these particles, he also states that they are using tons of this.

That is evidence, maybe you don't like what you hear, but right now you're denying it. Like I said, if you really WERE interested, you wouldn't be here trying to deny evidence you'd be looking for it yourself.


So chaff is now considered to be chemtrails.....since when. I doubt you even know what chaff is



Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Get real man. I have seen ALL the videos, I have read all that stuff.
The reason why I know chemtrails is a bunch of nonsense is because I DO know what really happens. I know how our atmosphere works. I've also read about the origins of these theories. A subject you are constantly ignoring.

So maybe you can tell us how long a normal contrail stays there, you can't seem to answer that one can you? More than one hour you say? Is that as precise as you're gonna get?


Normal contrails can stay around for hours and spread across the sky to form cirrostratus. The addition of extra water vapour into the air supersaturates the atmosphere causing the development of cirrus cloud, and high winds such as those found in the jetstream can disperse the water vapour encouraging growth across the sky and the formation of cirrostratus


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I study the weather and weather phenomenon for a living. You're telling me phenom that I study is something else simply because you saw some video on the internet telling you it's something else? Now tell me how much sense does that make to you. NONE whatsoever.

That's a serious assumption there.
But please tell me why I should trust your expertise when you can't even tell me how long contrails could persist.


Well I am a meteorologist and I just did.....get it yet? If you dont believe me, look it up


i]Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
In a lot of cases sure it is. As in, it's there one minute and not there the next. Nothing on this earth lasts forever.

No, not in any case, by definition it changes state. It doesn't dissapear.

No it doesnt dissapear, but it may be invisible to the naked eye



People who study the atmosphere and contrails say that.
You on the other hand seem to have no clue other than "more than one hour". What does that even mean? And how does that explain trails that linger for an entire day?


I already explained this



posted on Mar, 11 2008 @ 11:28 PM
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FYI, for all who are interested in the effects of winds...they vary greatly by altitude.

The jetstream is plotted regularly, and is determined and plotted based on weather balloons, PIREPS (Pilot Reports) and also other observations showing the locations of various fronts, and pressure variants...sorry, I just fly airplanes, a meteoroligist might explain it better. I know how to read upper level prog charts, lower level too. We look at isotherm patterns, etc...but what we are given, in Dispatch, are really 'snapshots' os something already a few hours old...but these tools predict weather trends, if that makes sense.

Upper level winds, both by forecast and by report, are used to flight-plan...that is, take advantage of the wind if it is a tailwind, try to minimize the impact of a headwind. Not a safety concern, just economics.

As to safety, though, we are getting better at learning how to predict CAT (Clear Air Turbulence)...not perfect, but getting better.

There can be areas of our atmosphere that are dead smooth, but are flowing at speeds of 100 or even 150K...and these segments can be a few thousand feet thick. On the other hand, there can be areas of the atmosphere that 'shear' within just hundreds of feet...that is, either the velocity and/or the direction of movement of those layers are significantly different, depending on altitude, temperature, and any uplift effects from the terrain below. It is very complex, dynamic, and for the most part, invisible...UNLESS water vapor condenses out into visible moisture to show us what's happening.

Most all of our modern jets now have GPS augmenting the navigational computers. In EFIS cockpits, there is a constant, real-time depiction of the prevailing winds displayed...a little white arrow, with a TRUE direction, and speed in knots, down in the corner of the screen. The difference between TRUE and MAGNETIC direction depends on the VARIATION...it is the angle between your current Longitude relative to the Magnetic North Pole...(Longitude is oriented to the AXIS of the planet...) *adding here* Called TRUE North...

How are the winds determined by the computer? The computer knows...the TAS, the TRACK over the ground, the MAGNETIC heading, and the GS (Ground Speed). With those values, it can compute, by inference, what winds are currently affecting the airplane. A human could do it, but not as fast as the computers can.

Sorry if I got too technical...

**adding** This should be on topic, if only to help understand the futility of 'spraying' chemicals at the Flight Levels normally occupied by commercial airliners. AND, remember my point: No commercial airliner has the capacity to 'spray' anything other than normal hydrocarbons. If there is a Military Op, then I have no idea.

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[edit on 11-3-2008 by weedwhacker]



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 12:26 AM
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www.kaspermartyrphantom.com...

I have a wikipedia entry for chemtrails and contrails here. It should detail the differences quite well...



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 12:49 AM
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Thats a good unbiased link. I appreciate you posting it.


The only problems I have with the chemtrail post is that Art Bell and Jeff Rense are references. These guys think everything is a conspiracy and anything they investigate is done with a biased environment and little control. I also do not agree that samples have been taken of chemtrail residue. I have seen the report on this subject but I have also seen the official lab report which stated that there is no indication that the residue was from a chemtrail.

Contrails can appear thick, but it all depends on the quantity of water vapour present in the atmosophere. More water equals superaturation and hevaier cloud development as well as an expanding cloud while less water equals no contrail or little cloud development that doesnt last as long (no supersaturation possible)



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 01:50 AM
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I've grown up around a Major Airport my entire life. I do know from constant high-traffic that Contrails can and do form cloud cover, especially on hot, hazy days, when the pollution and cloud cover hugs the ground. They do spread out and glaze the sky in Cirrus form, and this is completely normal. Most higher level Contrails fade at a quicker rate, however I have witnessed every single variety of Conditions and their effects on Contrails that you can even imagine. I have seen ones that only last the body length of a Jet, others than fade at a steady pace behind the Jets, and yet others that stay pasted in the sky, only to be blown away by mid-to-high level winds.

I have also witnessed the Contrails that spread out and eventually cover the entire sky as Cirrus clouds. For the most part, this does not occur on Cold days, and usually remains minimal on extremely clear days such as after the passage of a Cold Front, even in Summer. When there is a stale patch of air, or a Stalled out Front nearby keeping air movement at a minimum, these Clouds will tend to accumulate and blanket over low-level Warm Air Masses. The muggier it is outside, the more humid, hazy, and "smazy" the conditions are, and the slower speed or absence of upper-level winds all combine to directly effect Contrail size, formation, and duration.

I have no doubt that some sprayings might be taking place to test certain atmospheric conditions, possible spread-paths of simulated contagions, and weather manipulation, but for the most part mass hysteria has displaced the true cause of these condensed crystalized particles, better known as Contrails, which are simply the result of Warm Engine Exhaust doing exactly what exhaling your breath does on any Cold Day.



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 06:38 AM
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I've been watching the sky for over a half century--and there is unusual activity occurring which practically obscures the entire sky, especially noticiable in NM (I grew up in WI, where the rainy days blocked the sun). I have no idea specifically what is happening to cause this or why, and could only speculate although I understand public school textbooks describe a protective aerosol program. The only part of this I find truly unusual is that the same people come out every single time there is a mention of this issue with vehemently zealous (attack mode), then they are hardly never on ATS--until the next time. Now that's odd.



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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chemtrails report on German TV.. english subs.




posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Ever heard of condensation. Rain doesnt occur from high altitude clouds like cirrus, cirrostratus and cirrocumulus. It does fall as whats known as virga, which is precipitation that doesnt reach the ground, because it descneds into dryer air as it falls and consequently evaporates. Its not wishful thinking, its fact (and common sense)


I'm not talking about water I'm talking about metal particles, do they evaporate too?



Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Ever heard of the jetstream? Do you know how high the winds are at high altitude? I assume you dont....well you have proved that you dont. Anything sprayed directly above you is not going to land on you....if it does reach the ground, it will be hundreds and possibly thousands of miles from where you are


Oh right, problem solved then, unless they spray a 100 miles away from me, or unless I get my head out of the sand and realize that just because it doesn't reach ME it's not in any way less harmfull. Such shortsightedness amazes me.


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Why is it. that when someone disagrees with a conspiracy theory, no matter how much factual evidence they provide here, they are labelled as ignorant?


Just because it happens in broad daylight doesn't mean it ain't secret. That's pure hogwash and yes it is being willfully ignorant.


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
So chaff is now considered to be chemtrails.....since when. I doubt you even know what chaff is


You think chaff is a viable explanation for something that is seen worldwide, week after week?


Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Well I am a meteorologist and I just did.....get it yet? If you dont believe me, look it up


Well but now I have heard meteorologists say 20 minutes, more than an hour, hours... Only adding to my scepticism about so called experts, no offense to you, for all I know your number is right. I don't think it's a viable explanation for chemtrails however.



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 12:21 PM
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why do they vary so??

cold temp hot temp, and in-between, the lingering trails are present as are the short lived ones...what could be a possible explanation for the two types to occur on the same day within minutes of one another, if your position is that it is the temperature...?


It's also the humidity. Temperature and humidity vary with altitude - humidity especially can change drastically within a few hundred feet (see: clouds).

Planes fly at different altitudes. So two planes at say 30,000 and 28,000 feet could produce very different contrails, because the air they are flying through is very different.



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 03:54 PM
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Originally posted by utmostbastard
reply to post by StellarX
 



US launches lost device hunt appeal

1 day ago

The United States Air Force is appealing for help to find a device mistakenly dropped by an American plane as it flew over the UK.

A "chaff module" fell from the transport aircraft - based at RAF Mildenhall in Suffolk - as it circuited the coastline on Monday, the USAF said.

The device containing flares is used to deter radar-guided missiles.

The USAF appealed for help in tracing the item but urged the public to stay away from it and not to use mobile phones when close by.

"Officials urge anyone finding objects with government markings to please report the find to their local constabulary," said a spokesman.

"For safety reasons, do not handle the chaff module or attempt to move it."

According to the American Air Education and Training Command website, a chaff module comprises "aluminium shavings that create an aluminium cloud to deter radar-guided missiles".

It also contains "flares" that can be detonated to "give off 3,000 degrees of heat to mislead heat-seeking missiles", the website said.


ukpress.google.com...



Wow, great find, Utmost.............

It seems to say that in fact they are using aluminum shavings to create an aluminum cloud to deter radar-guided missles.

This would fall into the catagory of using clouds as weaponary, would it not?



posted on Mar, 12 2008 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by interestedalways
Wow, great find, Utmost.............

It seems to say that in fact they are using aluminum shavings to create an aluminum cloud to deter radar-guided missles.

This would fall into the catagory of using clouds as weaponary, would it not?

What is so difficult in doing just a little bit of research?
No they're not using clouds as a weapon. Clouds are just water.
They're using aluminum to deter weapons. The process can also be used as a SOS.
en.wikipedia.org...

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