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Originally posted by carole9999
Look up the phrase 'aerosol campaign' on a search engine. The type and number of admitted government programs is interesting.
Stimulation of ocean biomass with iron may be feasible and would be a relatively low-cost option. Its application appears to be limited at most to the mitigation of about 7 Gt CO2 equivalent per year (about 1.5 times U.S. annual CO2 emissions). The biological, ecological, and ocean chemical and physical dynamics of this possibility are not well understood and should be investigated further, both theoretically and experimentally. There continue to be questions as to whether iron is the limiting nutrient. Furthermore, the circulation dynamics of the antarctic ocean might severely limit the effect. If feasible, the mitigation potential of the possibility—storage of CO2 in a standing crop and as dissolved CO2 with slow sequestering of carbon to the ocean bottom—could probably be established over several years. If applications of iron were stopped, the standing crop would be expected to die within days or weeks, thus ending the mitigation effect.
Cloud stimulation by provision of cloud condensation nuclei appears to be a feasible and low-cost option capable of being used to mitigate any quantity of CO2 equivalent per year. Details of the cloud physics, verification of the amount of CCN to be added for a particular degree of mitigation, and the possible acid rain or other effects of adding CCN over the oceans need to be investigated before such system is put to use. Once a decision has been made, the system could be mobilized and begin to operate in a year or so, and mitigation effects would be immediate. If the system were stopped, the mitigation effect would presumably cease very rapidly, within days or weeks, as extra CCN were removed by rain and drizzle.
Several schemes depend on the effect of additional dust (or possibly soot) in the stratosphere or very low stratosphere screening out sunlight. Such dust might be delivered to the stratosphere by various means, including being fired with large rifles or rockets or being lifted by hydrogen or hot-air balloons. These possibilities appear feasible, economical, and capable of mitigating the effect of as much CO2 equivalent per year as we care to pay for. (Lifting dust, or soot, to the tropopause or the low stratosphere with aircraft may be limited, at low cost, to the mitigation of 8 to 80 Gt CO2 equivalent per year.) Such systems could probably be put into full effect within a year or two of a decision to do so, and mitigation effects would begin immediately. Because dust falls out naturally, if the delivery of dust were stopped, mitigation effects would cease within about 6 months for dust (or soot) delivered to the tropopause and within a couple of years for dust delivered to the midstratosphere.
books.nap.edu...
Probably the best-known of the aerial geoengineering proposals was that put forward in 1997 by Edward Teller and entitled ‘Global Warming and the Ice Ages: Prospects for Physics-Based Modulation of Global Change’ subsequently popularised in the Wall Street Journal in an article entitled ‘The Planet Needs a Sunscreen’.
Teller proposed deliberate, large-scale introduction of reflective particles into the upper atmosphere, a task he claimed could be achieved for less than $1 billion a year, between 0.1 and 1.0 percent of the $100 billion he estimated it would cost to bring fossil fuel usage in the United States back down to 1990 levels, as required by the Treaty of Kyoto.
Characteristic of the politics of Teller is the fact that he both ridiculed the idea of global warming and at the same time put forward what he represented as a solution to global warming. ‘For some reason,’ Teller observed sarcastically, ‘This option isn't as fashionable as all-out war on fossil fuels and the people who use them.’
www.spectrezine.org...
Teller says that cooling caused by volcanic eruptions shows this technique would work. For exmaple, the erruption of Mexico's El Chichon in the 1980s cooled the Northern Hemisphere by about one-quarter as much as the average prediction for global warming expected by 2100.
According to Teller, the director of the U.S. Global Change Research Program's Coordination Office has been promoting such geoengineering for three decades, and one National Academy of Sciences report a few years ago commented on "the relatively low costs at which some of the geoengineering options might be implemented."
Teller and his colleagues presented their proposal for geoengineering at the 22nd International Seminar on Planetary Emergencies in August 1997.
www.ncpa.org...
Originally posted by Essan
Why can no one provide any evidence whatsoever that contrails are not contrails? And no, just saying they are chemtrails does not prove they are chemtrails however many times you repeat it
Meanwhile, contrails continue to affect our weather and our climate and the disinformationists continue to divert attention by pushing their chemtrail lies ...... It's time we stood up and fought back against these people!
Originally posted by Essan
Are you saying that this is what is being sprayed and that all these persistent contrails folk claim to be chemtrails are indeed just persistent contrails after all?
It will be noted that in October of 1997 a change in the reporting system of visibility data was reduced from a former maximum of 40 miles to a limit of 10 miles. It is a reasonable question to ask as to why that change was made, and whether or not it was made in anticipation of certain events to follow that involve large scale aircraft aerosol operations over large scale geographic regions.
It is observed that there are highly significant degradations in the visibility data immediately following this change in the reporting method. Immediately after this change, the dramatic increase in visibility reports of less than 10 miles is quite apparent.The graphs shown are taken from climatic archive data available for Santa Fe, NM from Jan 1994 to Mar 2001. Three different time periods are shown to aid in demonstrating the magnitude of change which has occurred in visibility. The first graph shows all data available inclusive from
Jan 1994 to Mar 2001. The second graph shows the transition zone during which the visibility standards were altered. This graph showns a period
from Jan 1996 to Dec 1998; the change in reporting standard was made in Oct 1997. The third graph shows recent data, where visibility below 10
miles is now a regular occurrence. This graph shows the period from Jan 1999 to Mar 2001.
www.carnicom.com...
The proposed revisions address two categories of particulate matter: fine particles (PM2.5), which are 2.5 micrometers in diameter and smaller; and inhalable coarse particles (PM10-2.5), which are smaller than 10 micrometers in diameter but larger than PM2.5. EPA has had national air quality standards for fine particles since 1997 and for coarse particles 10 micrometers and smaller (PM10) since 1987EPA last revised the particulate matter standards in 1997. Under terms of a consent decree, EPA agreed to propose whether to revise the particulate matter standards by December 20, 2005; and committed to finalizing any revisions to the standards by September 27, 2006.
Proposal to Revise the National Ambient Air Quality
The possiblity of stuff being sprayed is not being denied (though I have yet to see proof).
All we're trying to do is demonstrate that peristent contrails and cirrus clouds are persistent contrails and cirrus clouds - just as they were 30 years ago.
There are simply more of them today because of the huge increase in air traffic over the past decade - hence why we are studying their impact on climate and weather!
Originally posted by Apsaroke
Originally posted by OzWeatherman
I have seen a few of these things posted by some users, claiming that they are from the government spraying chemicals into our atmosphere and frankly I have had a gutful.
Second from the bottom is "Cloud Seeding" where the concentration of perchlorate being used in an experimental nature is unknown. However, it is known by the California State Government that perchlorate IS being used in an experimental nature.
Apparantly there are two type of cloud seeding: One uses silvier iodide and the other with perchlorate (experimental).
By defination, the government *IS* spraying chemicals in the air in order to seed clouds and hence - they *ARE* spraying chemtrails (chemical trails).
www.weathermodification.org...
The above link has a great picture of the hygroscopic flares that are used. Research into hyrgroscopic flares will lead you to understanding that hygroscopic flares are used in cloud seeding.
Now, it's completely up to you if you want to live your life with your head in the sand and continue to beleive that the government is not spraying chemicals through the air that then in turn come back down to the earth with whatever rain and/or snow they have been able to "create".
Originally posted by observe50
I will admit that I have not read all in this thread I am just responding to the OP.
I know you are into the weather but the pictures you showed are not chemtrails.
I am surprised that with you dealing in this department that you do not know what a chemtrail is. I think you need to get out more, but that just my opinion..
Originally posted by graysnwo2012
although you know alot about atmospheric occurances you are obviously a moron because u failed to produce a single picture if a chemtrail.
Originally posted by maggy may
This is alot of BS. I have seen the planes spraying our area on a daily basis and there is too much reliable information on the internet that says you are wrong.
Chemtrails NOT Contrails are being sprayed by government. I have tons of photos on this and it sounds like you are working for the government to give their lies or you have not checked into all the research on Chemtrails. The government likes to give double talk. Chemtrails are not from planes taking people on vacations.
Germany has admitted spraying so I'll continue taking the photos and continue the grass root movement that believes this spraying is being done by government for secret reasons we probably won't find out about until years later when information is declassified in the Freedom of
Information Act.
Anyway, breathe the air deeply, when you come down with cancer- wonder where it came from !!
Originally posted by Pilot
US launches lost device hunt appeal
1 day ago
The United States Air Force is appealing for help to find a device mistakenly dropped by an American plane as it flew over the UK.
A "chaff module" fell from the transport aircraft - based at RAF Mildenhall in Suffolk - as it circuited the coastline on Monday, the USAF said.
The device containing flares is used to deter radar-guided missiles.
The USAF appealed for help in tracing the item but urged the public to stay away from it and not to use mobile phones when close by.
"Officials urge anyone finding objects with government markings to please report the find to their local constabulary," said a spokesman.
"For safety reasons, do not handle the chaff module or attempt to move it."
According to the American Air Education and Training Command website, a chaff module comprises "aluminium shavings that create an aluminium cloud to deter radar-guided missiles".
It also contains "flares" that can be detonated to "give off 3,000 degrees of heat to mislead heat-seeking missiles", the website said.
Originally posted by Shroomery
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Originally posted by Shroomery
So you're guessing they won't reach the ground, that's not evidence, it's again wishfull thinking based on denying gravity or rain, possibly both.
You need evidence that metal particles fall to the ground? Why?
Shouldn't you be providing the rest of us evidence that under certain circumstances, stuff does not fall to the ground?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
So, doing it in broad daylight is "in secrecy" now?
Wow, you learn something new every day
Yeah I bet you do if you act as ignorant as you do right now.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Tons of what stuff?
Do you have ONE shred of evidence it is anything other than exhaust and water vapor? Again, if you do please present it.
I did present it, multiple people stating radar images being affected, and from analysis they show these particles, he also states that they are using tons of this.
That is evidence, maybe you don't like what you hear, but right now you're denying it. Like I said, if you really WERE interested, you wouldn't be here trying to deny evidence you'd be looking for it yourself.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Get real man. I have seen ALL the videos, I have read all that stuff.
The reason why I know chemtrails is a bunch of nonsense is because I DO know what really happens. I know how our atmosphere works. I've also read about the origins of these theories. A subject you are constantly ignoring.
So maybe you can tell us how long a normal contrail stays there, you can't seem to answer that one can you? More than one hour you say? Is that as precise as you're gonna get?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I study the weather and weather phenomenon for a living. You're telling me phenom that I study is something else simply because you saw some video on the internet telling you it's something else? Now tell me how much sense does that make to you. NONE whatsoever.
That's a serious assumption there.
But please tell me why I should trust your expertise when you can't even tell me how long contrails could persist.
i]Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
In a lot of cases sure it is. As in, it's there one minute and not there the next. Nothing on this earth lasts forever.
No, not in any case, by definition it changes state. It doesn't dissapear.
People who study the atmosphere and contrails say that.
You on the other hand seem to have no clue other than "more than one hour". What does that even mean? And how does that explain trails that linger for an entire day?
Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Ever heard of condensation. Rain doesnt occur from high altitude clouds like cirrus, cirrostratus and cirrocumulus. It does fall as whats known as virga, which is precipitation that doesnt reach the ground, because it descneds into dryer air as it falls and consequently evaporates. Its not wishful thinking, its fact (and common sense)
Originally posted by OzWeatherman
Ever heard of the jetstream? Do you know how high the winds are at high altitude? I assume you dont....well you have proved that you dont. Anything sprayed directly above you is not going to land on you....if it does reach the ground, it will be hundreds and possibly thousands of miles from where you are
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Why is it. that when someone disagrees with a conspiracy theory, no matter how much factual evidence they provide here, they are labelled as ignorant?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
So chaff is now considered to be chemtrails.....since when. I doubt you even know what chaff is
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Well I am a meteorologist and I just did.....get it yet? If you dont believe me, look it up
why do they vary so??
cold temp hot temp, and in-between, the lingering trails are present as are the short lived ones...what could be a possible explanation for the two types to occur on the same day within minutes of one another, if your position is that it is the temperature...?
Originally posted by utmostbastard
reply to post by StellarX
US launches lost device hunt appeal
1 day ago
The United States Air Force is appealing for help to find a device mistakenly dropped by an American plane as it flew over the UK.
A "chaff module" fell from the transport aircraft - based at RAF Mildenhall in Suffolk - as it circuited the coastline on Monday, the USAF said.
The device containing flares is used to deter radar-guided missiles.
The USAF appealed for help in tracing the item but urged the public to stay away from it and not to use mobile phones when close by.
"Officials urge anyone finding objects with government markings to please report the find to their local constabulary," said a spokesman.
"For safety reasons, do not handle the chaff module or attempt to move it."
According to the American Air Education and Training Command website, a chaff module comprises "aluminium shavings that create an aluminium cloud to deter radar-guided missiles".
It also contains "flares" that can be detonated to "give off 3,000 degrees of heat to mislead heat-seeking missiles", the website said.
ukpress.google.com...
Originally posted by interestedalways
Wow, great find, Utmost.............
It seems to say that in fact they are using aluminum shavings to create an aluminum cloud to deter radar-guided missles.
This would fall into the catagory of using clouds as weaponary, would it not?