ET is fake! For the skeptics.

reply to post by SomeGuy34


Go back and read my edit.....

Why did you answer a personal question for Prophet-Ezekiel? Huh?

On Topic or the warnings are coming..

Thank You.

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
I've heard much of the Santilli excuse.

But yet, it remains an excuse to me.

Please, explain.

Otherwise, you are beginning to appear desperate.

reply to post by SaviorComplex


I don't tend to explain in this post.

BTW, I am staying on topic from now on.

My reasoning of the Santilli excuse can be seen throughout every other post based on the fact that there is no proof of anything or any reasoning that that was either faked or reality.

I could go make a video, and call it real, and it isn't.

I could go make a video, and it would be real, and you'd say it isn't.

I say that the Santilli is an excuse, for my own personal reasoning that you tend to find hard to grasp.

Best regards,

Some Guy

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
I don't tend to explain in this post.

I say that the Santilli is an excuse, for my own personal reasoning that you tend to find hard to grasp.

Then why bother posting, or making the claim that it is an excuse, if you will not explain yourself. Thing is, I don't think you have an explaination because you are desperately trying to dismiss out-of-hand, anything that runs contrary to your view? You are doing everything possible to prevent yourself from thinking things through.

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
My reasoning of the Santilli excuse can be seen throughout every other post based on the fact that there is no proof of anything or any reasoning that that was either faked or reality.

Do you understand the term "preponderance of evidence?"

reply to post by SaviorComplex


Evidence means nothing if it isn't first hand seen, plausible by video-dating and first-hand testimony of the "actors" that can't even be identified!!!!


Anyways, I'm not saying the video ISN'T FAKE, I'm simply stating I believe there is a 70% probability it is true footage.

Will that ease this thread into a more or less angered debate? I'm not sure.

Fact being, the Roswell case is only one of the objectives in the first post.

The factual evidence of UFOs being seen throughout human history exists, and I can invite you to say every historical figure was high on drugs, or just seeing weather phenomena, or a meteorite, but I don't believe that.

I am posting on this thread to state in my belief in ET, and I will debate it with the god of UFO skepticals, whomever he/she may be, but I can also state that the god of UFO skepticals regardless of their knowledge and expierence are completely close minded because there is much more proof than supplied on this thread that humans have witnessed UFOs, that cannot be explained.

I think the term UFO should be refined to UnEXPLAINABLE Flying Objects.

Unidentified is just obviouslly a good reason to find another reason to identify it as something it very well could not be.


Anyways, you're intent on disproving this thread, and the Roswell Video,

But in my view and I'd say 70% of the users on this board,


You have failed.

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
Anyways, I'm not saying the video ISN'T FAKE, I'm simply stating I believe there is a 70% probability it is true footage.

You still haven't answered the question. Do you understand the term "preponderance of evidence?"

And where do you come up with the 70% figure?

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
The factual evidence of UFOs being seen throughout human history exists, and I can invite you to say every historical figure was high on drugs, or just seeing weather phenomena, or a meteorite, but I don't believe that.

Certainly people have seen UFOs throughout history, however you are under the assumption (despite later claims to the contrary) that the unidentified in UFO means alien. No one can deny people look to the sky and see things they cannot explain, particularly in earlier times.

However, what those are ancedotes. We are getting reports from earlier times written through a haze of superstition, faith, and ignorance, and sometimes a combination of all three. We have little to go on other than the stories; we have no hard evidence to help us understand them. So they remain unexplained...which does not mean alien.

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
But in my view and I'd say 70% of the users on this board,
You have failed.

Yet more proof this is Ezekiel.

Once again, where do you come up with the 70% number?

reply to post by SaviorComplex


70% possibility of it being real comes from my own self-analysis and propietary beliefs.

~70% of the users on this board are here because they wan't to know what these ET are, what kind of stuff is in skunk works, etc etc......


Let me state.

You are at the point where you're displaying ignorance, believing the media or any news report is just silly.

I really have no way of convincing you SaviorComplex, and I'm not trying too if that is what you are getting at.

And what does numbers resulting in a rough estimate of believers and none believers on this board?


Should we suggest too the ATS council they have a poll on believers and disbelievers?


I say we should, and maybe that'd make you feel like an outcast here and maybe change a bit of your view styles, to be a tad more accepting and not so ridiculous because once again, IN MY opinion everything you've stated throughout this whole thread, for the MOST part.

Have you not seen Badge01 state, it is simply ridiculous to think we are the only ones in the Universe?

And my own opinion, is, we are indefinetly not the smartest beings in the whole universe, and I'd like to state that if there is smarter beings than us they'd definetly know how to get around space/time a little better than our own ignorant selves as human beings.

The truth is,

why did the Romans kill off Archimedes and plague the earliest signs of calcus? One, ignorance of the soldier that killed him, Two, they wanted power they didnt want anyone else to have, Three, selfishness of human beings resulted in a prolonged evolution of human life.

Now, I'm not asking you too disqualify Archimedes which I'm sure you're perfectly capable of doing because you find an external resource to disqualify ANYTHING you see.

Anyways, I still believe you have failed to disprove the fact that ET has visited us.

Saying that a bunch of people 1000s of years ago had a messed up mind state or we're misunderstanding what they we're seeing is just silly too, because, we don't know what exactly they saw and I'm not disqualifying what I'm saying, I'm saying that we don't know what they saw and we do know that what they saw was unidentified, flying, and moving.

Anyways

Best Regards,
Some Guy


Edit
Whats a matter?

Cat got your tongue?

[edit on 5-3-2008 by SomeGuy34]

[edit on 5-3-2008 by SomeGuy34]

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
You are at the point where you're displaying ignorance, believing the media or any news report is just silly.

I say we should, and maybe that'd make you feel like an outcast here and maybe change a bit of your view styles, to be a tad more accepting and not so ridiculous because once again, IN MY opinion everything you've stated throughout this whole thread, for the MOST part.

Please, provide one single shred of evidence anything I am said in this thread is either false or disinfo as you claimed earlier in another guise. Please demonstrate where I have been wrong or lied.

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
Should we suggest too the ATS council they have a poll on believers and disbelievers?

I say we should, and maybe that'd make you feel like an outcast here and maybe change a bit of your view styles...

Go ahead, take a poll. All you would be doing is gathering opinion, concensus. Neither of which are the truth. My views are not based on popular opinion, but evidence and fact.

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
Have you not seen Badge01 state, it is simply ridiculous to think we are the only ones in the Universe?

I have never once said that we are alone in the universe. Go back and read everything I written. I will spell it out for you one more time: Skepticism of extraterrestrial visitation IS NOT skepticism of life in the universe.

What do you fail to understand about that?

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
why did the Romans kill off Archimedes...

Because the Roman soldier who killed him did not know who he was, and when he demanded Archimedes identify himself, he replied, "You're interrupting my triangles." The soldier killed him in a fit of rage.


[edit on 5-3-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Originally posted by SaviorComplex

Because the Roman soldier who killed him did not know who he was, and when he demanded Archimedes identify himself, he replied, "You're interrupting my triangles." The soldier killed him in a fit of rage.


[edit on 5-3-2008 by SaviorComplex]

Ahaha.

Hahahaha..

Ahahahahahahaha.

There is some disinformation you prooved yourself to be spouting about yourself.

He said, don't interrupt my CIRCLES.

A triangle would be a highly plausible description of your LACK of intellegence though, you got about 3 different view points, Media/News, Skepticism of ET, and not accepting change. And that triangle is filled with a bunch of blah blah blah.

Anyways.

I never said the information you are providing is disinformation, however, I'm sure there is a plethra of consensus around this board that thinks everything you use as information is just decent ploys by intellegent individuals to counter-act what is REALLY happening.

Beyond the point, you're still trying to battle my view.

You're still trying to act as though I'm disproving you, which I'm not trying to, really.

I'm just stating the fact that how in the hell can you say either way you know what's true or not, because you don't.

You know 2+2 = 4.
You know 4+4 = 8.

You know what goes up usually must come down.

And for that matter,

You'd probably agree that what goes up must come down.

Anyways, explain to be why Nickola Tesla created a free energy theorum which I am EXTREMELY knowledged of.

Explain to me how he could use resonance feedback as a way to generate more resonant energy to alas create free energy.

You are just mentally blind and/or cross eyed IMHO amongst ~70% of the populace.

Also, I am not answering any of your other inquistive quotes because they are a waste of my time and WPM.

Best Regards,
Some Guy


[edit on 5-3-2008 by SomeGuy34]

Watch it, don't make it personal.

Civility and Decorum are Required

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
Ahaha.

He said, don't interrupt my CIRCLES.

Wow...I got a quote wrong. Darn...you really got me there.

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
A triangle would be a highly plausible description of your LACK of intellegence though...

You are just mentally blind and/or cross eyed IMHO amongst ~70% of the populace.

Oh, insults now...just like your alter-ego.

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
I never said the information you are providing is disinformation, however, I'm sure there is a plethra of consensus around this board that thinks everything you use as information is just decent ploys by intellegent individuals to counter-act what is REALLY happening.

Which is actually the definition of disinfo. In other words, "I never said you are using disinfo, but I think you are." Prove anything I have said is false or disinfo. Please demonstrate it if you are going to make that accusation...

Originally posted by SomeGuy34
Anyways, explain to be why Nickola Tesla created a free energy theorum which I am EXTREMELY knowledged of.

Explain to me how he could use resonance feedback as a way to generate more resonant energy to alas create free energy.

Also, I am not answering any of your other inquistive quotes because they are a waste of my time and WPM.

Mods? Seriously?

Hellen Keller could see that this guy is Ezekiel Prophet? Why isn't anything being done?

I'm with the mods on this one...let's get back on topic here and stop with the personal insults on intelligence.

Now, to start getting back on track. someguy, you often state that we aren't proving that life doesn't exist elsewhere in the universe. And from what I have read, and stated, nobody has come out and stated that life doesn't exist. It certainly is a possibility, and I would like to believe it, but until it's proven, it's just a theory, and theories aren't fact.

It's virtually impossible to prove a negative, the burdon of proof, if you are trying to convince others, is on you my friend. Not on any so called "skeptics". I'm happy to be a skeptic. I don't take every little notion I see on tv, or read on the internet as fact. If it interests me, I research it and come to my own conclusions. After seeing the alien autopsy video for the first time, I was amazed...truly wanting to believe it to be true, but a little voice said no no no, don't take it as face value..dig deeper. And that's just what I did. and my conclusion, and many other peoples conclusion (95% I would say, just cause you seem to like numbers) are in agreement with me. Because we don't believe it, doesn't make us any more unintelligent than you, or anyone else for that matter.

You have your opinion, others have theirs, and I have mine. Debating these ideas is what ATS is all about. I think we are all above attacking others personally as you have done when you started this thread under the prophet name, and continue to do now under your new name.

Let's debate the issues, not each other...please.

DO NOT EDIT MOD EDITS !!!



[edit on 5-3-2008 by elevatedone]

Removed post as it was in response to the off topic post above which has been removed for being, well, off topic LOL.

And realized that mine was off topic as well.

[edit on 5-3-2008 by sensfan]

Last chance, we are not discussing each other here anymore.

Thank You.

Back on topic.

In the op, there is a link to a site that shows numerous paintings with what you say are ufo's. That particular topic has been discussed quite a bit here on ats, most notably here...

ATS thread on UFO's in paintings

Here is a site that explains why they are not ufo's...

UFO's in paintings - not so quick

Originally posted by sensfan
Here is a site that explains why they are not ufo's...

UFO's in paintings - not so quick

That's very nice information you have there.

I see it quite true.


Maybe you convinced me ET is fake, I'm a little more skeptical myself now.........Hm.

Or maybe I am an alien? And you don't even know =)

I'm not trying to convince you of anything Someguy. Just want to bring some info in this thread for everyone. Like I said earlier, I like to research things, and make up my own mind. I really do hope their are other intelligent beings out there.

Theres a few inherent issues with the concept of alien races coming to earth.

The first is motivation
The second is evidence
The third is the physics behind it.

There's an apparent lack of motivation behind any alien race coming here to merely observe us, abduct our food sources, and occasionally visit our bedrooms. I'll be the first to admit this is the weakest of the three concepts, as its hard to understand what goes on in a being of higher intelligences brain. Like a monkey trying to understand what we are doing when we tag it and release it to the wild.

The second is the big issue, theres no evidence. What we get is pictures of UFO craft, 60% of which are often faked, and 39.9% of the remainder simply being airplanes of black projects from the airforce. the remaining .1% are classified as unknown. They can be anything from electromagnetic phenomenon to god knows what. But still, after an alleged possible 7,000 years of influence on this planet, theres no evidence.

The third being another big issue. It's physically impossible to travel from star to star within a beings lifetime. Even somehow reaching a light speed travel, the CLOSEST star is 18 years away. The only reasonably possibility of alien contact would be with use of long range robotic surveillance drones. Flying satellites sent in a SETI like program.