The Gullibility of Evolutionists

reply to post by Skyfloating


Because admitting to that would be tantamount to not knowing which is a basic human fear. We fear what we do not understand so we wrap it in BS that sounds like it could be right to us. Then we go out to use our BS to beat others with different BS over the head.
As the posts after yours shows.

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reply to post by Sublime620


Of course both sides have strong points and weak points. What does that mean? It means they are right in some cases and wrong in others.

The absolutism of being 100% right and the other side being 100% wrong, that comes from both sides is what is quite alienating to me.

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reply to post by undo


Good for those engineers and physicists.

We're talking biology, however. Different fields entirely.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Im starting to get seriously annoyed by the endless debate "evolution vs. creationism". The fact that the debate never calms is the best indicator that both sides dont know what they´re talking about.

Instead of parroting what the preacha and teacha said, how about some people out there admitting that we just dont know yet?

Please, re-read the thread. I think you'll find that the debate "hasn't calmed" because the creationist side flat refuses to pay attention to any answers to the questions they put forth. Hell, after over fifty pages, we just got some guy who's trying to make the argument that a scientific theory is the same as a guess.

There really isn't a debate. Rather, there's informed people trying to teach other people who have all the sense of a gaggle of geese.

reply to post by Skyfloating


I don't think there is a good way to have this discussion on a regular forum. Too many people jump in and offer no evidence. Also, there are too many different opinions, especially on the creationist side.

Often, I don't even know if I'm arguing with someone who thinks the world is only a few thousand years old and was created in 7 days, or if it's someone who thinks about it in a more sophisticated manner.

At one point, I was arguing with about 4 different people, and I realized I had no idea what their actual ideas were.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


On both sides of the debate.
You naturally give credit to the side your are currently near.
Line added so as to not get smacked. Please don't smack me. Please!

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Originally posted by Skyfloating
The logic of "since darwinism is wrong, the bible must be right" makes my blood boil.

You know, I actually agree with that and brought this up a couple of times, mostly on page 2. Refuting evolution might be important in the creationism vs. evolution debate but proving an opponent wrong does not mean the other side is correct.

Originally posted by Sublime620
Unfortunately on these regular forums, people just skip over stuff they can't explain away. My favorite is, "I don't have to post evidence about my side because that's not what this thread is about".

Hey, I'd love to make a thread showing all the evidence supporting the Genesis account but I know it would come off as 'preachy.' I answered most people's question here when they raised certain questions and ignored some of the others. Mainly because this thread is focusing on evolution. And like Sky Floating said, evolution and creationism aren't the only theories regarding our origins. It didn't seem fair to 'prove my case' concerning creationism in an effort to refute the evidence supporting evolution on this thread.

But whoever just said 'as long as the debate rages on that's a pretty good sign that neither position is absolute' raises a very good point. Something to think about.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

...because the creationist side flat refuses to..

I quote the sentence that is the root of the madness on both sides. Its the 10 000th variation of the "we are 100% right, they are 100% wrong" - clinically speaking, this is the hallmark of megalomanic insanity.

Originally posted by AshleyD

You know, I actually agree with that and brought this up a couple of times, mostly on page 2. Refuting evolution might be important in the creationism vs. evolution debate but proving an opponent wrong does not mean the other side is correct.

Oh, is that what you said? Fantastic.

Now how about all posters of this thread making a list of what they are completely and totally WRONG about and what others are completely and totally RIGHT about...would that be difficult? You bet.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Oh, is that what you said? Fantastic.

Yes. But nobody listens to me. An example from page 2:

Originally posted by AshleyD
Not necessarily. If we would like, we can completely take theology out of the equation. We can assume everyone on this thread, including myself, is an atheist and the concept of 'God' has never existed in the minds of man. For argument's sake, we can also completely dismiss the alternatives for now. Upon doing so, we can concentrate fully on the original topic...'

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

...because the creationist side flat refuses to..

I quote the sentence that is the root of the madness on both sides. Its the 10 000th variation of the "we are 100% right, they are 100% wrong" - clinically speaking, this is the hallmark of megalomanic insanity.

Except in this case, only one side is claiming to be 100% right. After all, they have god on their side, right?

Hell, we "evolutionists" aren't even saying creationists are 100% wrong. We're just asking for supporting evidence that there is a creator. Still waiting on that one. All we've gotten is circular logic ("you exist, that's proof!") or, funnily enough, the claim that Evolution is bunk because it isn't at 100%.

Hell, even some of the math sciences aren't at 100%, are you kidding me?

reply to post by Skyfloating


It would be especially difficult for those of us who argue under the assumption of "even when I'm wrong, I'm still right".

At least that's how I like to look at it.

reply to post by WraothAscendant


If some of these creationists who can make an argument would show up on this thread, I would be much obliged. I mean, hell, if we can get people that argue rationally for Nibiru, the hollow earth, and reptilian overlords on this damn site, why is it so hard to get creationists who don't base their argument on bible passages and hateful invective towards atheists?

And one more:

Originally posted by AshleyD
No, not 'precisely.' We can completely take the Genesis account out of consideration for now. Debunking evolution would not necessarily prove the Genesis account. Surely we can all agree on this.

Some people must have me on ignore.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Then of course you have to add in human BS of which there is ALOT and we all use it to some degree.
But Fox. That was jabs at them.
And not taking into account what some of them have said AT ALL.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


No matter how nicely you put it, this post also flows with the underlying current that there´s a "side" that has it "wrong" But I guess thats natural.

We all have a set of concepts we carry around with us and think others should learn about them, or even agree with them.

Im wondering what a world would be like in which we dont require others to agree...

...I´ll dream on.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


You have????????
LoL!! Then all crap I see going on in each and every thread about any alternative topic must be mostly a figment of my imagination.
You allude to a peace in other threads that is simply not there.

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reply to post by Skyfloating


It would be wonderful.
Leaders would lose their powers over the masses.
And we would all most likely move forward as a whole rather than a bunch of arguing bickering morons.

reply to post by WraothAscendant


nice last statement there.

We are aware that what is happening in this thread on a mini-scale is happening in the world on a more unpleasant big-scale called war.


Gosh...this thread is quick...pacing at Chatroom-speed.

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reply to post by Skyfloating


Yea aint it great?

But yea I honestly think if people were geared towards independent thinking rather than polarization and factionalization we would probly move forward as a whole. Rather than what we have now.

Strict adherents to what science has to say like to claim their faction corners the market on this but I for various reasons find this to be false.

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