Twenty-five U.S. Military Officers Challenge Official Account of 9/11

...I am confused why this thread is in the current forum. This forum is reserved for news that's less than 48-72 hours old, yet the OP's post is over a month old.

Unless this, like many other cases I have seen while I've been here, is a "special exception".

To reply at the topic matter at hand, I could have sworn I saw a topic like this ages ago, but my response is still the similar: I hope this furthers the movement to reveal what really happened on 9/11.

Don't hold your breath for this weak-kneed Democractic Congress to instigate any investigation. Apparently they have been convinced by the current crooks in high places that any indepth investigation is a NATIONAL SECURITY RISK. Yes "NATIONAL SECURITY" is the BLANK CHECK that government crooks fall back on to cover their crimes. It is the equivalence of the "ORPHAN DEFENSE", you know, that defense where after you've killed your parents you throw yourself at the mercy of the court because you are now an orphan? That's the position our country is in. After committing this horrible crime against our country we are being asked by the perpetrators not to investigate it further because it will endanger the country! The AMERICAN MEDIA have fallen for this inversion of justice. They don't realize that to heal a BOIL or ABSCESS it must be cut open and exposed so that the INFECTION can be removed! If it is not exposed then the entire BODY/COUNTRY is in danger.

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I couldn't agree with you more! As far as I'm concerned, there should be no secrecy in any government activity. There should be no informational black out, for if we are to govern, as a people, we must know what "we" are doing.

As soon as "national security" is invoked, only those with the information have any control. We no longer govern.

One more thing to keep in mind. Because the "Feds" write or pass something in "Law" doesn't make it law or constitutional. The Feds are 2nd class citizens to the States and the Individuals and not the "Gods" above us. Only the conniving of the press and the fascist federalists in congress and the exec lead us to think they are all powerful and independently in authority over us. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most of the Fed is bluff and buy in by what would otherwise be "free" people.

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One more thing to keep in mind. Because the "Feds" write or pass something in "Law" doesn't make it law or constitutional. The Feds are 2nd class citizens to the States and the Individuals and not the "Gods" above us. Only the conniving of the press and the fascist federalists in congress and the exec lead us to think they are all powerful and independently in authority over us. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most of the Fed is bluff and buy in by what would otherwise be "free" people.

Actually, the US Constitution has been suspended since 1933. Law no longer exists, but instead has been replaced with public policy. The Federal government, all state and local governments, as well as individual identities are now privately owned by the receivers of the bankruptcy of the sovereign United States of America.

In a statement to this author, Capt. Davis wrote, “As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.”

Another thing that makes me go "Hmm." There were pictures of an engine on the streets of NY- but whether it was from a 767 or not remains in dispute. But where his comments are particularly applicable are at the pentagon. As to 93, I have only seen a few pictures of the debris field, which ended up, up to eight miles away from the supposed "hole in the ground". I don't thing I ever saw any pictures of any engine from that debris field. Anyone else see a picture of an engine from the Flight 93 debris field?

I have been being very patient... hopefully they can add some zeros soon and have 2,500 questioning.

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To my knowledge, no one has seen or recovered engines from the PA site. I could be uninformed, however.

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Well, one site says some things about an engine, but anymore I am very skeptical of anything written, especially from that site:

www.flight93crash.com...

In a morning briefing, state Police Major Lyle Szupinka confirmed that debris from the plane had turned up in relatively far-flung sites, including the residential area of Indian Lake. Investigators appealed to any residents who had come across such debris, in the surrounding countryside or even in their yards, to contact them, emphasizing that even the smallest remnants could prove to be important clues."
post-gazette.com...

Szupinka said searchers found one of the large engines from the aircraft "at a considerable distance from the crash site."

"It appears to be the whole engine," he added.

Szupinka said most of the remaining debris, scattered over a perimeter that stretches for several miles, are in pieces no bigger than a "briefcase."
(archived at library.triblive.com... - search whole engine from 9-10-01 to 9-20-01 or read it here)

Crowley related that 95 percent of the airplane had been recovered. The biggest piece of aircraft found was a fuselage skin measuring about 6 to 7 feet. The heaviest piece was from one of the engines and weighed 1,000 pounds.
www.dailyamerican.com...

Note that the link supporting the statement is no longer working.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Originally posted by magicmushroom
True, I posted a thread recently where I stated that the Patriot Act would become the new constitution, although there were many viewers unfortunately I dont think I got any replies.

lol. I laugh not because you didn't get any replies, but at that notion in itself. I might suggest one reason could be that the Patriot Act becoming our new Constitution is a pipe dream that is not acceptable. If I saw a title like that, I have to confess I would probably skip it... Just out of sheer denial. But you are probably right, is the unfortunate thing.

Means to and end. There already is a new constitution: www.sweetliberty.org...

In the event you would be inclined to dismiss the relevance of the proposed new constitution, bear in mind that it is the product of a tax-exempt think-tank which took ten years, $25,000,000.00 and the collaboration of over one-hundred like-minded individuals. "It would be folly to believe this investment is intended to be merely an exercise in political theory. The frightening reality is, the planners are serious in their efforts to impose a new constitution upon the people of America as we enter the 21st Century."
— Col. Arch Roberts, Committee to Restore the Constitution

Then there's always this:

"There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself." - Senator Daniel K. Inouye at the Iran Contra Hearings

"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people. Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government - a bureaucratic elite." - Senator William Jenner, 1954

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson,The New Freedom (1913)

"When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of freedom to Americans..." "And so alot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it. That's what we did in the announcement I made last weekend on the Housing Projects, about how we're going to have weapon sweeps and more things like that to try to make the people feel safer in their communities" - President Bill Clinton 3-22-94, MTV's "Enough is Enough"

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans.."- Bill Clinton USA Today--3-11-93, page 2a

"It is to the sacred principles enshrined in the UN Charter to which we will henceforth pledge our allegiance." -G.H.W.Bush, speech to the UN, Feb. 1, 1992

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Interesting pipedream. If that $ 25 million had been spent on alternative energy R&D maybe we'd all have a way to get to work without tying up the family misfortune.

But let's not digress to far, shall we? This is about...well see OP please.

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I heard that one engine was recovered from the Flight 93 crash, but even that is in dispute as a possible "plant." The consesus on another thread seemed to be that only one engine was recovered.

FLIGHT 93 - The Biggest 911 Smoking Gun!

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
But what to do about the Supreme Court justices, if all they are going to do is keep throwing cases out of court based on Executive Privilege and claiming national security exemption? Something has to be done about that FIRST, or else this will never go anywhere.

That's a problem in itself. The people at the top are immune from the 'law'. Judges can be bought and sold or threatened, as required. The 'law' can be changed, as required. Didn't a certain President pass some 'law' that excludes himself being found guilty of war crimes? (I may be wrong on that, but I remember reading words to that effect in another thread)

I don't see how anyone at the top of the 911 plan will ever face any kind of 'justice', as 'justice' is a fictional ideal designed to inject morals into movies - to keep the masses content. Practically, 'justice' is more accessible to those who have money, provided they are seeking their 'justice' against someone weaker than them.

Personally, I know what I would do, if I lost a loved one and I knew who was to blame. I'm fairly certain there would be a few people here who would do the same.

MOTIVE!! NO ONE HAS PUT A MOTIVE IN THE EQUASION. IT'S ALL CONSPIRACY TALK AND THAT TURNS PEOPLE'S STOMACHS. DOES ANYONE HAVE A PICTURE OR A VISION OF THE NWO, OR ARE WE TALKING END OF DAYS HERE. I WATCHED LIVE ON 9/11 AND I HAVE KNOWN FROM DAY ONE. THE PENN. PLANE LOOKED LIKE A BOMB CRATER. THE PENTAGON LOOKED LIKE A CRUISE MISSLE. THE WTC, WELL I HAVE WITNESSED AN IMPLOSION IN VEGAS BEFORE AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT AN IMPLOSION LOOKS LIKE. WHY DID THE HOOVER BOYS TAKE THE TAPE AT THE GAS STATION JUST AFTER THE HIT AT THE PENTAGON? WHY DID ALL OF THE STEEL DISAPEAR? YOU CAN'T MAKE A CELL PHONE CALL FROM 15000 FT. YOU CAN'T FOOL 250 MILLION PEOPLE. STANDARD PROTOCOL FOR THE PRES. WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF THERE IN 10 SECONDS. MOTIVE? WHAT IS THE REAL BIG PICTURE. WHY ARE THE BIG OIL CEO'S STUFFING THEIR MATTRESS AND SAVING FOR A RAINY DAY? WHY DO YOU NEVER HEAR FORM CHENY? WHY DID KEN LAY HAVE A CLOSE CASKET FUNERAL AND A CORONER FROM ANOTHER COUNTY LOG HIM IN AND OUT. WHY WAS THERE ONLY ONE WITNESS THAT SAW HIM DEAD? HE WAS A HEALTHY MAN! IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYONE WHO HAD WOULD HAVE HAD A HAND IN THIS THING IS GONE, OUT OF REACH OF THE GOV, OR RETIRED. THAT IS STRANGE IN ITSELF. WHAT IS THE MOTIVE? WHY NOT A COUP, MARTIAL LAW, CIVIL LOCKDOWN? WHY BLOWUP THE WTC AND BLAME IT ON THE ARABS? WHY BLAME THE ISRAELIS? AND WHERE THE HELL IS OSAMA BIN LADEN?
THAT PLACE IS ROUGH, BUT WE HAVE SATS THAT CAN READ A FREAKIN NEWSPAPER AND TURN YOUR TV CHANNEL FOR YOU. WHY DO ALL OF THIS? FREEMASONS, NWO, ILLUMINATI????? WHAT IS THE MOTIVE?

THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ASK THEMSELVES EVERYDAY AND THERE IS NO ONE THERE TO ANSWER THOSE ?'S. WE NEED A MOVEMENT, A SILENT ONE THAT JUST ONE DAY WE WILL JUST SHOW UP AT THE FRONT DOOR OF THE WHITE HOUSE AND DEMAND THE ANSWERS. WE HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE JUST NO ONE TO LEAD OR GET IT STARTED.

IF THERE IS ANYONE OUT THERE WITH ANY IDEAS, I AM ALL EARS.

WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THIS TO HAPPEN?

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WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT COUNTER SOLDIERS?

EYE OF EAGLE

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WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT COUNTER SOLDIERS?

EYE OF EAGLE

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WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT PINE GAP?

EYE OF EAGLE

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ANY IDEAS ON MOTIVE? NO ONE ASKS ABOUT A MOTIVE? WHY 9/11?

EYE OF EAGLE

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First, unless it is your intent to present yourself as a raving lunatic (a perfectly legitimate choice, by the way; but one that might not be condusive to elliciting the answers you seek)...

Turn. The CAPS. Off!


Now, as to Motive:

How about consolidation of Control?
Most likely, in advance of some expected catastrophic event which analysts had determined, would certainly destroy the society.

9/11 may have been nothing more than a convenient, pretextural, opportunity to invoke the civil constraints deemed vital to the survival of the nation; when and once the expected Real "brown and stinky" starts hitting the fan.



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lol EOE, relax a bit, will ya? No need to SHOUT! (ALL CAPS) We are a mostly civilized crew at ATS, and we type in lower case...k?

You ask some good questions, many all of us want answers to. As to the motive, many would agree that the motive for 911 came from the need to have a new incident on American soil, and many call it "the new Pearl Harbor"- of course referring to the attack on PH in 1942. This would incite outrage in the American people and back the neocons in a war. War makes huge sums money for a lot of people. But there are other theories on the actual motive, and some that expand on the pearl harbor theory. One theory has it that the plan is total global domination, along with others that claim it is all a plan to get a pipeline into the Caspian Sea.

It is said that the plans to attack Iraq, and the plans for the Patriot Act, were already on the President's desk before anything happened.