Are the people of Britain readying their pitchforks?

I'm a student "uh oh!" but seriously, an american girl has just moved into my house and she doesn't really understand why I and so many others are so un-patriotic to Britian and I tried explaining to her that we're not allowed to be and she just didn't get it. For so long now we have been unable to be "proud" to be english because it might offend someone, although to be honest i'm not so sure I can be proud to be british with the current state of affairs.

We have had labour in for over ten years and even though i'm only 22 I can see a vast difference in how I grew up and how children now are growing up and thats all happened in the space of only ten years! But will anyone do anything about it? no they won't, people complained about labour for ages and what happened? the public voted them in once again knowing that gordon brown would at some point take over from blair.

I'm getting sick of this country I really am, I see young kids give me attitude as I walk down the street minding my own business, I see people on my university campus getting stabbed, yes actually stabbed 10 years ago maybe even 5 years ago would you really hear of things like that happening at a place like a university? That to me shows you how people are being brought up these days.

I hear brown going on about how conserative tax systems benifit the wealthy, well right now the benifit system is benifitting the lazy and non-british citizens. My mum used to work in the post office and she regularly used to see a man not from britian with 8 kids and no job even though he wasn't on disability pick up his benifits for around £1000 a week, while the customer after was a little old lady who couldn't afford to put her heating on with her tiny £60 a week. How is this fair? How can a country get in a posistion where this can happen?

Its getting to the point now also that the majority of people I know, bearing in mind that these people are students, the people that are meant to be the educated ones and ones who will go on to run the country, be your doctors etc etc are seriously considering leaving the country when they graduate, I am one of them. What state of affairs will this leave britian in in 10/20 years time, when all the qualified/educated ones who are meant to be running the country etc aren't there?

Originally posted by Rapacity


My question here is: now that more of my fellow Brits have woken up to the fact that their rights, money, liberty and society is/has been taken away from them, will we see a peasants revolt? And how long before it happens? My own pitchfork is already ready should the need arise.

Lol, you guys are going to need pitchforks, because aside from those I think they have pretty well completely disarmed you. I think cutlery is on the list of things to be banned soon, those forks could HURT someone.

Originally posted by Chaoticar

Wait, maybe that's the conspiracy? Ensure as many immigrants as possible enter Britain (all-the-while refusing to "integrate", maintaing "seperate" communities etc), then wait until the economy enters recession, send in a few agent provocateurs here-and-there within these communities. As unemployment increases, and tensions between the different "factions" grows, use a "catalyst", such as a bombing in one community by another community, a murder of a prominent figure from a particular community etc to set of the ethnic-powderkeg of Britain then whammo! - you've got yourself full-scale chaos and anarchy, from which the British Government can become the "hero" and settle the situation, all at the cost of democracy and your freedom of speech.

I've considered the very real possibility that "diversity" is a plot to divide us.

To many people blaming others for the hard part of their lives is more and more common these days, its not about the black, asian, white, polka dotted colour schemes, its all about turning a blind eye when things go wrong in front of you we all do it because we dont trust our police force to actually turn up when called.

If people knew for certain that help is definatly on its way more people would fight back, esp against chavs or hoodies as they are known here in Liverpool, I was almost car jacked two yrs ago by kids of 13 and 14, a group of 6 or 7 threw house bricks while ne of them jumped in the back of my car and tried to strangle me, im a big fella so i managed to get out and fought back, then came the house attack because the police where called, it ended when one of the sods got shot in the ass from our co2 pistol, the police came and didnt care, even when told about what i did they couldnt care and anyone will tell you from England co2 pistols fired deliberatly at someone esp a minor holds a prison sentence here, i think its mandatory 5 yrs now.

anyhow my thinking is, if you let pople know you can fight back without being arrested, then people will fight back, people are just to scared of the ear say crap, and the taking the side of the kids, and no im not lying when i say, if they beat someone up they are classed as misunderstood and its the parents, so they give them a holiday?

so its got nothing to do with hippies, its the sad ones who live off the benefits with free everything, because there is no justice here, im not gonna give up my country because ive had a hard time, i want to give them rough justice and then hard labour in prison,

Lets see their attitude change when they are kocking big rocks into little rocks, instead of paying them to be in jail.

You know i read a story about a man falsley accused by a friend of their family of rape, he got 7 yrs in prison, his wife hired a private detective and eventually after 3 yrs he was free because it was proven he could not have done it when she said because he was out of the country, which she didnt know about but that information because she was a minor could not be read in court because it put her identity at risk, anyhow he got released,

But here is the injustice, he has to pay for his room and board for the 3 yrs he was in there, now how is that justice? the girl got thousands in compensation from the criminal injuries board and she does not have to repay a penny.

But no im not leaving my homeland because of the way things are now, it will change always has in the end, but running isnt the way, when you come back people will want to know what you did when the crap hit the fan, i wouldnt like to say nothing, id like to say my fair share and more..

Hi There,

The immigrant issue is not the fault of the immigrants. If you lived in a country with little opportunity, you would seek that opportunity elsewhere. The real issue (or at least one of them, and an important one at that) is the way immigrants are undermining the opportunities of the 'born and bred in Britain' Briton.

Immigrants are an employer's dream. They will do the same work for less of a wage, which means that you are now in competition for the same job, but to compete, you have to compromise on what you will allow yourself to earn. Again, this is not the immigrant's fault, but that of your own compatriot taking the cheaper option. The only way out is to gain as good an education as possible, go to university and gain a diploma of some kind, which should help to place you in a certain wage bracket potential.

All in all, the drive of globalisation requires that each country dilutes or sheds its nationalistic character, hence the attack upon that aspect of 'Britishness', and all that it entails. Eventually, you will not be using words like 'multicutural', as this implies differences in national character. We are in effect being driven towards the homogeneity of a global hive, with about 2/3% running the whole show, and maintaining it through hereditary process. Globalisation is the real enemy.

Rapacity

You know i really want it to be true, the idea of the British public finally realising that their rights have been stripped naked and spanked daily. The sad fact is though that they simply won't.

Currently the euro is being slowly sold to us, i saw the governer of the bank of england say something very interesting ina speech on sky news. He said that british companies are being stifled by the strong pound and the euro would help. You watch, they will slowly but surely sell us the euro in stages until we are all clamouring for it. Then they will feed it to us like the starving babies we appear to be.

The same goes for the european hegemony, the constitution was renamed to skirt around the fact that the british people didn't want it and yet all we could muster were a few snotty remarks in a pub after several pints.

The majority talk, the minority act and until that position is reversed we will never get our freedoms back, nor our need to make the government fear reprisal. That's what keeps a democracy alive, the government fearing the people.

In the words of Tony Benn "A well educated, informed and healthy nation is far more difficult to govern". The average person will continue watching big brother, talking about their favorite celebrities and generally becoming more ignorant of everything. Including the history books which show repeatedly how tirants come to power.

We are seeing a new form of dictatorship coming into being i think. One that is far more insidious than any other before it. It's the slow approach of letting the people enslave themselves instead of teh marching all guns blazing approach. It's actually a brilliant game being played, better than any grand master chess match.

Let the people enslave themselves is the new battle cry of the hopeful dictator and watch as the people love them for it.

[edit on 1-3-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Lol, you guys are going to need pitchforks, because aside from those I think they have pretty well completely disarmed you. I think cutlery is on the list of things to be ba
nned soon, those forks could HURT someone.

That comment may be true, but I suspect it comes from someone who is able to buy ammo and a weapon from a Wall-mart. So it is not all that productive to this discussion.

Originally posted by Now_Then

That comment may be true, but I suspect it comes from someone who is able to buy ammo and a weapon from a Wall-mart. So it is not all that productive to this discussion.

You logic is...... interesting. My own comment was meant as light hearted, hence the winkie thing, in case you didnt get that, as I am sure your Walmart gun comment was. Because I know you could not be implying that the right to gun ownership somehow makes you incapable of participating in a discussion, that would be absurd. Your LACK of the right to own guns does not seem to prevent people in the UK from killing one another, you just resort to bricks, and attempted strangulation as another poster pointed out, so you cant be taking some moral high ground. Perhaps I am missing your point entirely. Did you have one?

[edit on 1-3-2008 by Illusionsaregrander]

Maybe that since Britain is filled with violent thugs, with a growing gun culture anyway, that handing out guns to people is probably the stupidest thing that could happen in the UK?

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Your LACK of the right to own guns does not seem to prevent people in the UK from killing one another, you just resort to bricks, and attempted strangulation as another poster pointed out, so you cant be taking some moral high ground. Perhaps I am missing your point entirely. Did you have one?

We don't 'LACK' the right to own guns.

Owning most handguns is illegal here. And there are conditions on other fire arms.

Bricks are an effective way of killing if that is all that is available. What sort of view of the UK do you have?

There is no moral high ground on this topic.

Edit: OK 'winkie' aside

moral high ground. Perhaps I am missing your point entirely. Did you have one?

I'm not rising to that..

[edit on 2/3/2008 by Now_Then]

reply to post by Now_Then


Well I own an M700 bolt-action sniper rifle, and an M4A1 automatic rifle.
But I am registered to own them.

I wouldn't shoot to kill anyone though, although my guns would come out if I was being attacked by more than 10 people, otherwise it would be my sword collection to come out first.

I for one have struck my own bit of justice here, I've kicked about those little chavs, beaten on immigrants.

I am proud to be British as we are the greatest country in the world.

But every country has problems, and we as a nation will overcome these problems we have because we are such a proud and great country.

God save our Queen.

Well...................

Originally posted by TheOmen
I for one have struck my own bit of justice here, I've kicked about those little chavs, beaten on immigrants.

Wow! Such bold claims. Without context it makes you sound like a psycopath and a contributor to what is actually wrong with the UK - namely that people are only in things for themselves, are violent, arrogant, couldn't care less and have no sense of community. Even with context beating people up just means you are part of a problem that I don't want in my country.

Were you out drinking with your mates at the time and did it for kicks, or did you do it just because you could?

I am proud to be British as we are the greatest country in the world.

With the kind of attitude your post displays, we most certainly aren't


[edit on 2/0308/08 by neformore]

"Great" Britain makes me sick, we lost the right to call it Great a longtime ago.
Tv tax, Road tax, death tax, inheritance tax, bin tax, council tax, lotto tax and it goes on and on.

Out of my take home pay, i have £50 for my luxerys ie petrol and food for me and my kid

This government takes and takes but never gives back, how a known yob with 80 charges against him and 18 court apperances but not one single conviction yet at 71 year old ex solider who fought for this puss filled country was jailed and convicted for being late for his council tax is beyond me.

Why do the brits put up with this govenment ? where are the street protests ? where are the riots ? are the brits really that weak, maybe its because they are all to pissed up from the pubs.

My mate got arrested for not paying a £45 parking fine, he now has a criminal conviction, meantime gangs that are known to the police are free to roam the streets at night beating up and killing people.

Ive lost faith in britain and its people, i can ony hope the nuke conflict finds its way to Chavland as this country is a waste of space.



[edit on 2-3-2008 by busyfrog]

reply to post by TheOmen


I can understand what your saying but this bit...

"we are such a proud and great country"

What exactly is so great about this country ?
are we free ? No
Is our standard of living low ? No
Do we have affordable housing ? No
Do we have a low crime rate ? NO
Do we have low taxs ? No
Do most live in poverty ? yes
Do we have a high amount of underage pregnancys ? yes
Is petrol cheap ? No
In the football, are we mainly english players ? No
Do we have a govenment that listens to its people ? No
Do we have a drinking problem ? Yes
Can the brits hold there drink ? No

Now i live in the country which has its fair share of kids boozing up as they are as thick as the contents of my kids nappy but i must say the country side is bloody nice until you come across a speed camera.

As for the immigrants, we have polish workers at my factory and they are bloody hardworkers, they never take a night of but the brits, well they are constantly getting sacked as they take a night off to goto the pub to get well and truly w*nkerd....

enough said ...i do respect your patroism tho'



[edit on 2-3-2008 by busyfrog]

Pitchforks?! Gordon Brown is a particularly cold and calculating globalist, but well he's hardly Frankenstein's monster either, and the problems creating this unease are endemic to the West--increased bureaucratization, regimentation, surveillance--a creeping movement toward a soft police state. It's nearly impossible to fight through the vote, because it is a deeply embedded, self-generating system that uses governmental bureaucracies at the local, national, and international levels to further its ends. It is, in a word, the "system" itself.

As for revolution with pitchforks in the UK, you're still ruled by the Queen, for cryin' out loud! The only revolutions or drastic changes of gov't (or dynasties) in Britain have occurred by infighting aristocrats and elites. I don't see much hope for that sort of change, if history is any guide.

Now_Then, in relation to your comment "..but I suspect it comes from someone [Rapacity] who is able to buy ammo and a weapon from a Wall-mart. So it is not all that productive to this discussion."

Most people in th U.K are able to get hold of any type of weapon they require for whatever purpose despite weapon ownership being tightly restricted. It is the way British society has become. The ownership of particular items have been made so over illegal that owners get rid of them quietly and criminals have had to find other (non-legal) means of acquiring them. To answer your question, I do not have a gun and ammo (but I could get one, just like anyone else) and I'm intelligent enough to design and make one (although it might look a bit crude). Weapons are very easy to make - consider the bow and arrow or the crossbow.

As for the means I consider best for ousting this corruption we call government and (in the main) parliament, I'd advocate general non-co-operation: strike, refuse to assist, stop buying goods. This Labour party forced the Conservatives out by non-co-operation and then they used some Conservative ideas (the ones they failed to co-operate with) when they came to power. We can oust them the same way - violence need not be employed and there are not yet enough immigrants to take our place in our economy.

Over the years, I've seen this country (even under the later years of the old Conservative government) lose its way. Our money is taken from us in the form of covert and overt taxation then redistributed. The tax system is so meddled with by Gordon Brown et al that the employed have to claim benefits to get their money (tax) back. In the U.K petrol is at 1.11 GBP/lt and Diesel is at 1.01 GBP/lt - it very. very rarely goes down even when the cost of crude oil does (and maybe I've misunderstood here but whilst crude oil hit the $100 per barrel mark, wasn't the value of the pound increasing against the dollar too! To my understanding, the cost in dollars is irrelevant because the exchange rate favored the pound and we produce our own oil (well, Scottish). If we stop buying the economy will halt and the government will fall (it cant balance with gold reserves because Gordon Brown gave them to Germany in preparation for the EURO and Lisbon).

There is a better way of government, one that doesn't fail us as ours has. Coalition tends to favor the public better, we just need to develop a system that ensures a coalition election.

Originally posted by gottago
As for revolution with pitchforks in the UK, you're still ruled by the Queen, for cryin' out loud!

No we're not! The queen is head of the commonwealth but her ability to rule has been eroded by the European treaties signed in the British people's names. I for one do not suffer a Queen and if I met her I would treat as any other person. Now if I met Gordon Brown or Tony Blair then I would treat them [left to your imagination].

Oh, how this great country has fallen.

Ya know... previous to the last couple of years, I had very little sense of Patriotism or pride in being British. But as things have slowly started to slide down the pan, I have felt myself become more and more protective of my country. I'd now probably call myself a Nationalist (note: I oppose racism and xenophobia).

We WILL fight for Britain. I sincerely believe that whilst the British are (overly) tolerant and extremely polite, we have a limit. One a certain line is crossed, we will lose out tempers - perhaps in a rather explosive manner. Regarding the OP, yes, I have noticed an incredibly fast growing sense of discontent. Particularly when you read online newspaper articles about immigration, you'll find dozens and dozens of angry comments labelling our goverment traitors, selling our National Identity to line their pockets.

I don't mean to focus on immigration as the only issue, but it is one of the major examples of betrayal. Taxes, the prospect of stolen greenbelt land, public transport, corruption, and lack of police are further examples.

It's good to see that even the BBC are fearlessly embracing some of these issues with programming like this! The tide will turn soon.

reply to post by Cythraul


Nice links, I will occupy me for a while.

I think one of the many problems we have at the moment is that many politicians, civil servants (I was one (kick me if you want to but I was only casual staff: and, yes, the central database was in the pipeline way back in C1998, I spoke against it and was advised to join the team responsible for it but I didn't (I felt I was too young for the job) and people have forgotten the reasons for some of our forefathers' (and living grandfathers') actions. Not many people realise that Greenbelt land was set aside and protected to surround cities with trees and other plants as a means of soaking up pollution and, to a lesser extent, to safeguard wildlife and provide areas for city dwellers to visit nature. Many now look at the recent past as they do the classical era - with great mental, cultural and physical distance.

When I was a young book, I enjoyed learning about the history of my nation, Rome, Greece, the Middle East, America, China and the rest (not forgetting Australia). I enjoyed leaning about the Vikings, Norse, Barbarians, the Second World War - many things that happened were wrong but the way it happened was amazing (not many can separate the event from the ethics et alia so I expect a bit of flack here). How many of us who were young school boys can say they did not enjoy playing soldiers (or Star Wars). These are things that are being denied our children because of petty fear. Stopping children from playing out an idea would seem to make the idea more concrete in later life - we all have to play out our fantasies to some extent to prevent them from slipping through into something more than play - every human has to undergo many stages of mental and emotional development and play helps us to understand the ethics behind actions without having to hurt others.

Where's Spartacus when we need him?

im from holland and its getting really bad here,we are moving or are living in a policestate.
many of u may have seen the movie pulp fiction where travolta talks about holland and the cops couldnt frisk/search u,well now we have random searches on the roads where they check ur car,and in the streets where they frisk u when u walk tru a certain street.(i admit they dont do it often but they have the power)

also since a couple of years we need to have an id-card/ausweiss everytime we go anywhere so not to travel but u have to have it on u always!!
it also has an rfid chip inside and next year we need 2 have our fingerprints on them to wich was supposed to be for identification only BUT now they are saying they gonne put all our gathered prints in a giant database for the justice system...

sad thing is as pointed out here most people dont care the old 'i got nothing to hide' line...i heared so many people say that.
but i also see more people waking up to what is going on but not the masses u need for a revolt.