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Originally posted by Bumbeni
Well as you might imagine you really have my curiosity now.
What tipped the scales in the other direction for you if you care to say? I am interested in what moved a nonbeliever to the point of being a biblical scholar or well on their way?
There are so many nonbelievers and I have decided there is nothing people can say to change their minds, they have to have some experience that pushes them to seek God.
Just like hounding an alcoholic to quit, it is impossible, they have to get there on their own or not at all.
Originally posted by cardinalfanUSA
I have a question that I, as a Christian, have always pondered.
Originally posted by cardinalfanUSA
I don't have time to post specific Biblical quotes (but I'm sure you'll know what I'm talking about anyway), so here it goes:
You have to accept Jesus as your Savior in order to be "saved". This is what I believe. However, take this as an example:
You have Tribe A that has lived in the jungles of South America for a thousand years. This tribe has always worshiped the tree god, um, Mr. Great Oak. Anyway, a Christian Missionary arrives and tries to show the tribe the Bible and explain Creation, the Crucifixion, Jesus, etc. The tribe's members say, "sure, nice story, but Mr. Great Oak is our god. He's always been good to us, etc, etc. Therefore, the tribe members have rejected Jesus as their Savior and will spend eternity in Hell.
Originally posted by cardinalfanUSA
Here's my question: Will God really condemn these people to Hell?
Originally posted by cardinalfanUSA
Can anyone reasonably expect them to change their 1000 year old religious views to accept something that a foreign person is trying to push upon them?
Originally posted by cardinalfanUSA
That would be like a Muslim trying to convert a Christian; it ain't gonna happen.
Originally posted by cardinalfanUSA
So, here's what I've always believed, or at least considered a possibility. You can't accept/reject Jesus without first coming to know him. These tribe members never came to know Jesus. I believe the Bible mentions something about the "ignorant". Not necessarily "ignorant" as in "stupid", but ignorant as in "not knowing". For example, I'm ingorant about the subject of knitting/weaving. Anywho, what's your take on this?
Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
I apologise if someone else has asked this, but someone else brought up this point in another thread and thought it might be worth bringing up in this thread.
Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
As a Christian, what do you think of the field of Psychology, and do you think Religion has a negative or positive impact on a person's individual Psychology?
Originally posted by Bumbeni
Yes, contact with satan can be enough for people to run not walk toward God.
Originally posted by Bumbeni
The devil is not all that smart is he?
Originally posted by Bumbeni
If he was trying to entice or mesmerize me, in fact he did the very opposite. Maybe the whole thing was in God's plan after all, maybe I needed that extra push to "stay in the light" and maybe you did also.
Originally posted by Bumbeni
You reminded me I need to learn about Elijah, I want to learn about the old prophets and the predictions about Christ, His birth, all of it. I would like to find an article or book that explains all of that.
Originally posted by pepsi78
I have a question, how does evolution fit in with religion.
Originally posted by pepsi78
Man was first a homesapien, the oldest remains are from africa.Where did man come in to existance , the bible does not offer detailed explenations of man coming in to existance.It just states that man came in to existance and formed the nation of israel but the first modern man remains were found also in africa.
and the first civilisation was the mesopotamian culture.It's just that science and religion do not go on the same path.
While I do beilive in the creator that created the universe I am sceptic that the bible is nothing but the truth.I don't know if god created religions, maybe we created them by our selfs.
Originally posted by Bumbeni
I found a 41-page-article titled Did the Old Testament Prphesy of Jesus which looks like it covers a lot of ground. I printed it. I love the internet can find anything.
Originally posted by Bumbeni
I just want to comment on the above posts, concerning people who have not had the chance to hear much and study about Jesus, like tribal people. I think God has so much love and mercy that He will do the right thing when that time comes.
Originally posted by Bumbeni
I think about how forgiving we earthly parents are, most of us are like putty with our kids.
Originally posted by pepsi78
Thanks for the answer.Tho I'm a cristian I think there are other religions worth researching and taking from them.I don't think todays cristianity offers the whole picture.In fact I'm disapointed in my own religion where
people make up pictures and icons of god with long white hair and red eyes just for worship.
Originally posted by pepsi78
The bible is not a book it's self, the only intergrated books that formed the bible are the ones chosen by constantine the great
and the priests that evolved around him.Writers were left out where the text came in to contradition, so a book was made that would serve their intrests in holding power.
Originally posted by pepsi78
I hear Mary Magdalen wrote a book and she was not integrated within the bible because she was a woman.
Originally posted by pepsi78
I do beilive that there is a god out there, and I think it's not what it's in the icons.We don't know how god looks like, all tho I was baptised as a christian I think we are far away from the truth.
Originally posted by pepsi78
If I had the knolege I would hunt down for it.
Originally posted by pepsi78
One more thing that bothers me for instance I do not agree that you can comit crimes all your life , kill people and on your dieing day in the last second to say "forgive me" just out of fear, and then be forgiven.God would be accepting a criminal with no compasion that said the magic word out of fear.
Originally posted by pepsi78
I think one must be worthy of the garden,
Originally posted by pepsi78
and people would need to want to change in the first place as a better person with out doing things in a mechanical way, it would have to come from within you and not out of fear or intrest.
Originally posted by pepsi78
I have many things that I disagree with the christian faith even if I am one.
Originally posted by Bumbeni
Do you know the name of the woman, from a lost book of the Bible, who traveled with Peter I think? She was put in an arena with lions, a female lion gaurded her. Her name is like Tecla, or Elecla, something like that.
Really? I'd check into the Council of Nicea a little further...authored by the people who were actually there.
To say we're far from it must mean you know what it is. One cannot say "We're no where near the capital city" unless they know what it looks like or where it is. So, if you have the truth that we are so far away from, please do share.
Do you trust God to fairly judge?
Originally posted by pepsi78
Were far away because of the madnes.Who told you to make icons and dress like a priest?
Originally posted by pepsi78
and who told you to make saints?
Originally posted by pepsi78
Who put the pope in power?
Originally posted by pepsi78
I'm sure god did not.
Originally posted by pepsi78
Worthy is far away from perfection.
Originally posted by pepsi78
Sometimes I wonder how it all works, I pray it works, I'm out of my problems after doing it, I may mention ...big problems.
Originally posted by pepsi78
.....Yes I judge people in my perception for protection, maybe it's one of my defects, not sure, but it helps me avoid alot of dificult problems that I would find my self in.