How many you believe that 9/11 was an inside job?of

Originally posted by bovarcher

If you believe the evil at the heart of government is so deep and all-pervading, do you think it can ever be fixed? How?

Revolution is the answer. Horrible bloody revolution with the systematic execution of all members of the CFR, the Tri-Lats, the Bilderbergers, the beaurocrats, the politicians, the judges, the lawyers, as well as the owners and managers of the military industrial complex.

Failing that I do not see a window of hope for the USA.

The term "9/11 Truthers" does not evoke laughter or anger among the vast majority of people in this country for no reason. Even Ron Paul made it very clear, numerous times, that he does not agree with them or approve of their activities.

I believe there were numerous cover-ups of incompetence by both the Bush people and the Clinton people. As far as the Grand Conspiracy involving thousands and the slaughter of the passengers; I see zero evidence.

As far as I'll go with this, is that they may have blew up WTC7 after evacuating the area so nobody got hurt by it. They started clearing it out 4 hours before the collapse. It may have been to destroy sensitive documents to keep them out of looters hands. That far I'm willing to consider.

Holograms, missiles and other nonsense are just fabrications by paranoid people and anarchists trying to stir up trouble. The Prison Planet crowd are letting their emotions and prejudices override their common sense. They want to believe so badly that everyone is out to get them that they blindly accept meaningless drivel as evidence or they fabricate propaganda.

I suspect that groups like al-Qaida and others are actively promoting these ideas on the Internet and play no small part in pushing this propaganda. In fact they may be behind most of this nonesense. Its not working though as I don't know a single person who believes this stuff.

reply to post by Blaine91555


I starred this post because I believe about 95% of what you said.

But, yet, I keep being labled a "truther" for some reason. Just because I keep pointing out the cover-up. Go figure.

If a plane crashes anywhere on this globe, one of the first trumpet calls is for there to be an investigation into the cause(s) of that crash. If a passenger plane crashes into the Pentagon or the World Trade Center there should be no hesitation on the part of any public official to immediately launch a thorough investigation of these events. Have you all forgotten Bushes reaction to calls for investigating 911? Bush had to be shamed into forming an investigating commission in the first place, and had to be dragged kicking and screaming to appear before that commision, and even then, had to have Cheney there to hold his hand and testify without being under oath!! Perhaps he suspected that his NEO CONS friends (who had previously documented in writing that the US NEEDS ANOTHER PEARL HARBOR in order carry through its world domination) had hastened that event for his benefit!
IF IT QUACKS LIKE A DUCK.........!!!

reply to post by Blaine91555


You just admitted right there to being a "9/11 Truther."

I don't see what you are bitching about. Either you believe what the government tells you (sheep), or you think the government is lying about what happened on 9/11 (9/11 truther).

So again, enlighten me on what the hell you are saying.

reply to post by Attari

I'm still not 100% sure what went down that day, but I am convinced that the US Government had at least SOMETHING to do with it.

So to answer the question from your OP, YES - I feel that the US Government is in some way responsible for 9/11, whether in whole or in part.

Originally posted by DINSTAAR
*does not raise hand*

The Bush administration is not not directly responsible for the attack. Over 50 years of enacting a horrible xenophobic unspoken war against the third world is to blame. Our foreign policy is stupid and aggressive and is a directly influenced by the powers that be. CFR anyone?

Flame on!

Sounds about right to me

I think we would be shocked at the number of people in all strata of public, private and governmental authority who had, at the least, a "heads-up" on what was going to come down on 9-11-01.
One area that has been potentially overlooked is organized crime. They're an interesting conglomeration, in that they were benign in the planning and execution of the horror, they no less benefited. I can't even imagine their involvement in the stock market/investments and the "puts' and "calls", the courageous Rep. Kosinich wants to investigate. I wonder as well if there were any suspicious bets being placed at Las Vegas???
Also, within days, I heard one of the many rumors was that the garbage trucks, sometimes to be rumored as having mob connections, were ready for the massive clean-up and haul away efforts that needed to be done.
Having lived through the multiple assassinations/conspiracies of the 1960s, this has become so reminescent of those times.
I would recommend to anyone who's never seen the movie - try to see "The Parallax View" w/Warren Beatty from the 1970s. But I recently learned, to my great surprise, that Beatty is a member of the CFR and I say, Why? Anyone on this forum, please confirm. Also, 'Three Days of the Condor" with Rob't Redford is still pretty scary too.
Again, thanks to ATS for this forum

Originally posted by Blaine91555
The term "9/11 Truthers" does not evoke laughter or anger among the vast majority of people in this country for no reason. Even Ron Paul made it very clear, numerous times, that he does not agree with them or approve of their activities.

Yes, truthers are simply not taken seriously.

I believe there were numerous cover-ups of incompetence by both the Bush people and the Clinton people. As far as the Grand Conspiracy involving thousands and the slaughter of the passengers; I see zero evidence.

Can you blame them for covering up their gross incompetence that led to thousands of deaths and the partial dismantling of our economy that we still have not rebounded back from?

Holograms, missiles and other nonsense are just fabrications by paranoid people and anarchists trying to stir up trouble.

This is true. I particularly find the hologram idea the most laughable
I love when they make the hologram claim but you ask them to show how a hologram of that type is even possible and they clam right up or spew nonsense.

I suspect that groups like al-Qaida and others are actively promoting these ideas on the Internet and play no small part in pushing this propaganda. In fact they may be behind most of this nonesense. Its not working though as I don't know a single person who believes this stuff.

Thats a really interesting thought. They can cause internal strife without firing a shot. Very interesting point you've made !

Originally posted by Blaine91555
As far as I'll go with this, is that they may have blew up WTC7 after evacuating the area so nobody got hurt by it. They started clearing it out 4 hours before the collapse. It may have been to destroy sensitive documents to keep them out of looters hands. That far I'm willing to consider.

I fail to see how, if you're allowing yourself this possibility, how you can claim much of the other discussion surrounding the impropriety of the Keane Commission's report is somehow the whimsy of deluded folks that have somehow abandoned their "common sense."

First off, I'd really like to know what you mean by "common sense," because, as the theoretician Antonio Gramsci explained, the concept of "common sense" serves the status quo as an unwavering and uncritically accepted version of the dominant ideological mode of thought and understanding.

I will agree to some of what you said in your post as I'm not entirely willing to put too much stock in the theories regarding holograms and such. That said, I do think there is some pretty compelling room for questioning whether or not a plane actually hit the pentagon. Without getting too much into the specifics of that particular incident, I'll move on.

You state that there may have been documents in WTC7 that the "authorities" wanted to keep out of the hands of looters. What exactly would these documents be? If you can subscribe to the possibility of a controlled demolition therein, it is wholly confusing as to why you would label other possibilities outside the realm of plausibility.

I just don't understand your position.

I don't claim to know what happenned, but I am most definitely not prepared to swallow anything that is said about this incident if it comes from mainstream corporate media or the totally dogged Keane Commission report.

Help us understand from where you're coming.

reply to post by Attari


I hate to point this out but DINSTAAR never said OBL was or wasn't involved in 9/11. Unless I'm mistaken, DINSTAAR's comments were related to this thread in general and it's purpose.

Also it is up to you to prove that 9/11 was an inside job because you are one who is trying to convince someone that it was. I already know what I believe, you got to "open my eyes" to your version of the issue.

Yes, I believe 9/11 was an inside job. After watching/reading ALL of CIT's presentations/threads and reading LaBTop's threads I have no doubt.

Skeptics please see this thread, If you havent already.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



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First up, something like 9/11 would take years of planning. Bush, even as smart as he is ( ), I don't think could have concieved something like that and carried it out flawlessly in such a short period of time.

Then you have the coverup. The airlines, the people on board, the firemen, the police, the countless eyewitnesses, the numorous agencies that would have had to be involved, etc.
....and no leaks!?
Please. This is Washington. You can't pass gas without someone in Bangkok knowing about it. You can't PLAN on passing gas without someone knowing it.
And the media.....they've exposed and exploited EVERY Bush scandal along with Clinton before him. They feed off that stuff. Yet, when it comes to 9/11 they're somehow gagged? LOL!!!! They would jump all over it, as it would be the biggest story in U.S. history and the agency that uncovers it would be set for LIFE in terms of money and recognition. MONEY RULES. NO media outlet would EVER let an opportunity like that slip away and there isn't enough money in the world to bribe all the media outlets to keep their mouth shut.

You also have intel agencies from other countries. They were all warning us a terrorist attack on US soil was imminent. They did this around two main times in 2001. In mid-late spring when our intel agencies noticed an increase in chatter and when it's thought the attack was originally planned, and in late summer when the attack did occur. Why would they do that?
This (along with a TON of other evidence) rules out any doubt terrorists carried out the attack. The question people should be asking is who controlled those terrorists.

Then there's the question of motive. Why would our gov. do that?
To spy on us? Please, you think they weren't doing that already? How ignorant. The only thing that's changed is that they're now telling you.
To go to war? LOL
We were going to take out Saddam regardless of 9/11. Sure it may have sped up the process but I pity anyone who believes that wasn't in the plans already.
So the "elite" can gain more control? You know, call me a sheeple or whatever, but I'm seriously starting to doubt this "power" of the elite. I mean come on, shouldn't they have taken over the world by now?? Shouldn't we be living in a global police state by now!? I'm getting tired of waiting. These people have supposedly been in power for 100s of years and they're still in the shadows! Booooooo. They suck. How about this....
**** the elite.
Now if they exist my post should disappear right?



Anyway, was it an inside job? Well...YEAH. We were attacked by those who were inside the U.S. living among us.
"No no no, that's not what I'm talking about. Was there a crime commited by the U.S. government?"
Oh, well in that case....still YEAH. No, they may not have carried out the attacks per se but there was gross negligence. And yes people should be arrested for that...(along with trying to coverup that negligence which I think has led people to think maybe our gov was involved.)
It's just coming out the bad state our intel agencies were in. That is completely unacceptable and people should be held responsible (...starting back in the '80s when modern terrorism as we know it began).

Originally posted by Griff
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

I starred this post because I believe about 95% of what you said.

But, yet, I keep being labled a "truther" for some reason. Just because I keep pointing out the cover-up. Go figure.

Showing common sense is not popular these days it would seem. I feel your pain

reply to post by Attari


I've believed it was an inside job from the moment I watched the towers implode (I turned my tv on minutes before the second plane hit). I still remember watching Bush just sit there in the FL classroom and do nothing when he was initially informed of the attack, his reaction and facial expressions sealed it for me.

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I remember I was driving to School when I heard it on the radio...and lucky for me, our classes were cancelled for the day to watch the news... I wanted to ask, if anyone else, remembers this...besdies me and a couple other people that I have talked to.

The VERY first Live Feed of the Twin Towers, when the Firemen were talking.... and one of the firemen said "It sounds like there are bombs going off all around us." However, this live feed, was not heard again in the subsequent replays during the day. I heard it once that morning, and never again....I asked some other viewers, and it hadn't occured to them, that this might be an important line spoken....only a few had paid attention.

I'm not a physics major, nor have I ever worked on a mine site with explosives...but... I'm not entirely convinced that a PLANE ALONE brought down the twin towers... They way that the building collapsed, it looked like it could have been straight out of a "demolition for dummies" book, or what I imagine a demoltion would look like... The way they just crumpled... From Top to Bottom, Collapsing as though the floors beneath the floors above it, were being blown out...Its always made me suspicious.

I agree that George Bush needed a reason to invade Iraq...and the way to do that, was to initiate a war...but of course, Iraq would need to be the one to start it...and so...why not fabricate a story, to instill a sense of fear in your citizens, and why not push a strong sense of Patriotism on your country (American Flags everywhere etc..), to get the results you want...which is ultimately Supoort from you Citizens (who are fearful for their lives, and are terrified at the thought and the threats of terrorism), The budget and the OK from Congress to invade another country... and all for Oil.... Its sad that innocent people had to lose their lives...Very Sad.

Originally posted by Double Eights
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

So again, enlighten me on what the hell you are saying.

Read my post. It answers that question quite clearly.

Yes, I believe there were cover-ups of incompetence.

Yes, it is possible WTC7 was sanely and safely demolished after clearing the emergency workers out to protect documents of national security interest.

No, I do not believe that 9/11 was an inside job and there is ZERO evidence to think so.

No, I do not believe there is a huge conspiracy of all the worlds powers behind what happened on 9/11.

I think the entire 9/11 Conspiracy phenomena is the result of paranoia, dishonest players like Jones using it for profit and propaganda from groups like al-Qaida who benefit from such nonsense.

reply to post by McKennalite


It is my understanding that there were Government Offices in that building that would contain such documents.

Here is a link to one of the lists -Tenant List.

I can see lots of possibilities for sensitive information to be in that building.

I also base it on the fact I've listened to the taped conversations with Fire Fighters about clearing that building which started about 4 hours prior to the collapse.

I'm not sure if 9/11 was an inside job. I think there are quite a few unanswered questions and that it might be. However, it might be exactly the situation that has been portrayed by the media: that some radical Islamist terrorists slipped under the radar, hijacked planes and flew them into buldings.

And it might have been a "pseudo" inside job. What I mean by that is that there might have been an awareness by just a few people that this was going to go down, but they let it happen because they tought it would be easier to talk Americans into a war with Iraq. In other words, they weren't actually behind it, but might have let it happen.

If you look at some of the stuff the guys connected with the Project for a New American Century were writing back in 1998/99, it was extremely clear these guys wanted to attack Iraq -- it was a major policy objective for that group. And that group included Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Scooter Libby, Jeb Bush, Bill Bennett, Steve Forbes and other well known neo-cons.

This is from a letter they wrote to then-President Clinton in 1998:

Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.

Here's a link:

Neocon Letter to Clinton

And you should read the one they sent Newt Gingrich and Trent Lott. It was pretty clear they basically wanted the then-Republican congress to advocate military action.

These people were all either members of, or worked closely with, the Bush Administration. So it certainly is plausible to me that it was an inside job. But I haven't really seen any slam dunk.

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Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
First up, something like 9/11 would take years of planning. Bush, even as smart as he is (

), I don't think could have concieved something like that and carried it out flawlessly in such a short period of time.

So in other words you think President Bush is stupid. So in your thinking, both Harvard and Yale would put their reputations on the line by just handing him his degrees. Also since he is a pilot, I guess the military just let him hop in jet with no training right?

Just because you don't like President Bush doesn't mean you have to insult him.





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