Police Brutality or Slip and Fall?

We're never going to know what happened. We could have but the coward turned off the video before he beat her.

If I walked into a room, saw a woman cuffed lying in a pool of her own blood and a guy standing above her I'd come to the same conclusion as a prosecuting attorney regarding a civilian. "Lock that scum up for assault and battery".

But this is a case where police protect there own and they will not prosecute him. He may get his job back as it would set a precendent to fire cowards who beat handcuffed women and men that would cause firings across the country.

The real problem is you have the police policeing themselves. There needs to be an independent civilian panel with the power to force the district attorney to prosecute the case.

Originally posted by zerotime
I'm not so sure I buy the police brutality excuse on this case.

The woman crashed her car. The officer thought she was drunk. She cannot walk in a straight line. She refuses to take a breathalyzer test. She starts yelling at the officer. She resists being arrested. Even after she in handcuffed she keeps trying to leave the room. Where she is going with her hands handcuffed behind her back is anyone's guess. She refuses to the breathalyzer test one final time so the officer turns off the camera. She tries to leave again and this time slips on the tile floor and falls face first into the floor. Her hands are behind her back so she cannot stop her fall. Once she fits the floor she breaks her nose and cuts her face - the broken nose is what gives her the two blacks eye - that's what happens when your nose is broken.

This doesn't seem like police brutality to me. This is what happens to drunk people who keep resisting. Although the police officer should have had better control of the woman who was obviously in an emotional state and handcuffed. That's probably why he was fired.

I spent a while contemplating this aspect as well. With her hands behind her back she could not protect herself if she did actually fall face first.... if the nose breaks you will get two black eyes, it explains the cut on her head.... but she has two broken teeth. No way a fall to the floor cased ALL her injuries. Even falling face first... your nose and your chin would get in the way before you could knock your own teeth out.

How many times have you fallen down? How many times did you knock your own teeth out from a "fall"?

reply to post by MrWendal


Plus, most people would know to turn and take it in the shoulder.

Originally posted by Smugallo
reply to post by NWOmaskedman

 

One of my best friends is a policeman, and he's a pretty popular guy; lots of friends and very charasmatic, known him for 15 years and he's nothing short of a good good guy!

Yes, this must be said. A blanket idictment of all law enforcement is unfair and uncalled for. While I didn't make any friends at the jail, lol, some of the best people I know are in law enforcement.

We can't make blanket judgements against all cops. But I can say something about the system that employs them. If I did that to anyone, I'd be in jail on assault charges. This guy loses his job, and is appealing that decision like it's a travesty of justice.

This guy should be locked up. And if he isn't, the state's attorneys should be flogged with a baton so they know how it feels.

Originally posted by DeadFlagBlues
The policeman assumes responsibilty for that woman as soon as she is in his care and even more so after he cuffs her. Especially when she is thought to be "under the influence" of a controlled substance and her arms cuffed behind her back. This policeman failed to perform his duty and was let go. We should be grateful for that.

I 100% agree.

Originally posted by MrWendal
I spent a while contemplating this aspect as well. With her hands behind her back she could not protect herself if she did actually fall face first.... if the nose breaks you will get two black eyes, it explains the cut on her head.... but she has two broken teeth. No way a fall to the floor cased ALL her injuries. Even falling face first... your nose and your chin would get in the way before you could knock your own teeth out.

How many times have you fallen down? How many times did you knock your own teeth out from a "fall"?

Not necessarily. When I played high school basketball one of my teammates went for a shot and a defender undercut him. He fell face first only the court and broke his jaw, nose and lost 6 teeth, and split the side of his face open. It looked like someone from the mafia had beat the guy with a baseball bat. When you fall face first your nose or forehead might be the first things to hit the floor but the rest of your head is going to follow.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
Plus, most people would know to turn and take it in the shoulder.

Not if that person has been drinking.

You can use youtube.com and find all kinds of incredible videos of drunk people falling onto their faces and they aren't even handcuffed. Lots of police videos as well.


Who knows. Maybe the officer beat her with his gun. I don't know and I wasn't there. But the only times I even see this officer put his hands on this woman is when she is doing something that she shouldn't be doing. To me, there is nothing in the video that screams brutality only negligence.




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To me, there is nothing in the video that screams brutality only negligence.

Except maybe the pool of blood on the floor AFTER the camera is turned back on? Why was the camera turned off if the cop had nothing to hide?



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Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by zerotime

 

To me, there is nothing in the video that screams brutality only negligence.

Except maybe the pool of blood on the floor AFTER the camera is turned back on? Why was the camera turned off if the cop had nothing to hide?
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That's what happens when you fall face first onto a hard surface with no way to break your fall. You get hurt.

This coward has been accused of abuse before including following a boy home on his scooter, using excessive force to get him in the squad car, breaking a handcuffed man's arm, and pistol whipping another suspect.

You don't get fired for restraining a crazy, drunk trying to escape who hurts herself. Maybe paid or unpaid leave. His supervisor was also suspended for not reporting the incident.

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Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by zerotime

 

To me, there is nothing in the video that screams brutality only negligence.

Except maybe the pool of blood on the floor AFTER the camera is turned back on? Why was the camera turned off if the cop had nothing to hide?[edit on 2/19/0808 by jackinthebox]

Exactly. Most of the time, one and one equals two. A wet behind the ears prosecutor could make this case in five minutes and even an L.A. jury would return a verdict of guilty.

reply to post by zerotime

That's what happens when you fall face first onto a hard surface with no way to break your fall. You get hurt.

And the cop with a history of Civil Rights violations accidentally shut the camera off? Wanna buy a bridge?

I could go on with the thread but honestly I don't care anymore.

I tried to get a Police State forum going on ATS in the past but my thread was closed and I was directed to "ATS, BTS, What would you like to see in the future?" Maybe some of you should post there to get support for one going.

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I think the appropriate term to use for this one ( and many a man have been found guilty with) is "circumstantial evidence."

Like some have said before...If an officer walked in my house and found a person handcuffed and looking like that, an arrest would be immediate.

Originally posted by zerotime
Not necessarily. When I played high school basketball one of my teammates went for a shot and a defender undercut him. He fell face first only the court and broke his jaw, nose and lost 6 teeth, and split the side of his face open. It looked like someone from the mafia had beat the guy with a baseball bat. When you fall face first your nose or forehead might be the first things to hit the floor but the rest of your head is going to follow.
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Playing a sport. My guess would be this teammate was either running or jumping or in some way added more momentum than someone who simply falls down drunk. This women has no where to run to. She surely was not jumping. Someone could have undercut her though. In a lot of ways you almost make my whole point.

Now take into account this cops history..... Come on...admit it.... it is very possible he assaulted this women.

I do not care if you are a man or woman you do not deserve this kind of treatment by a police officer.
The police are going way to far in this country, and not any amount of good cops statements will convince me other wise!!
The police have lost there checks and balances on what constitutional rites
are and they have violated this womans rites 100%.
He should be made into a unique person.
If you know what i mean.

Originally posted by MrWendal

Now take into account this cops history..... Come on...admit it.... it is very possible he assaulted this women.

I already did say it was possible. I wasn't there so I don't know. All I said was nothing from the video struck me as an out-of-control cop who flew into a rage. The only person I saw acting badly on the video was the woman herself.

Sorry, but I have to leave. Enjoy the debate and don't forget to star each other.

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Originally posted by zerotime
The only person I saw acting badly on the video was the woman herself.

Sorry, but I have to leave. Enjoy the debate and don't forget to star each other.

[edit on 19-2-2008 by zerotime]

I disagree totally. If you watch the YouTube video you can hear how she is slammed into the wall while handcuffed. As you continue to watch the amount of force he uses rises slightly, then the camera goes off.

I would also disagree with what you said about a cop flying into a rage. One does not have to be "in a rage" to beat someone up and force them to become "compliant" and submissive. A person does not have to be in a rage to injure another. Was Ted Bundy in a rage every time he killed? I realize that comparison is extreme but I am sure you get the point.

I have a great idea. How about a system where the cops are held to a higher standard of justice, like our military, not protected by the same rights and privileges of the civilians they are supposed to protect. This means harsher penalites with a lower standard of proof and higher conviction probability. I'll bet the cops would start treating their employers with a little more respect then!

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Living in Baltimore, this type of police behavior doesn't surprise me. I used to believe most people become police officers to help people. I now know that many people become cops because they enjoy being in a position of authority. Perhaps they were picked on when they were kids, or not held enough by their mothers. That cop lost all creditability the moment he turned that camera off. The images I saw of him standing over that girl in her own pool of blood were truly disturbing. I find it even more disturbing the lack of attention this incident has attracted. I hate to be the one to point out the obvious, but had the girl been black there would have been a media circus around this event.

My nose was busted 3 years ago by brass knuckles, I was pretty banged up and had 2 black eyes but even I didn't look as bad as that woman. I seriously doubt a fall to the ground could cause those injuries. Police brutality!