If Bob Lazar is a complete fraud then how did he know when the craft where test flown ?

Originally posted by admriker444
That might be your experience in college but it doesnt necessarily make it the standard by which we should judge Lazar.

It is but one observation. I never said it was the whole ball of wax against him. Furthermore I never said he was a fraud but I certainly lean that way almost to the humpty dumptiest extent.

I do recall one teacher's name from high school and one from college.

Well, that makes 2 for you which is 2 more than zero.

I didnt make any friends in college.

You're inferring that Lazar may have been a loner in college and I find that very hard to believe.

Originally posted by jbondo

Originally posted by admriker444
That might be your experience in college but it doesnt necessarily make it the standard by which we should judge Lazar.

It is but one observation. I never said it was the whole ball of wax against him. Furthermore I never said he was a fraud but I certainly lean that way almost to the humpty dumptiest extent.

I do recall one teacher's name from high school and one from college.

Well, that makes 2 for you which is 2 more than zero.

I didnt make any friends in college.

You're inferring that Lazar may have been a loner in college and I find that very hard to believe.

Its possible, I mean I wouldnt be the least bit surprised that the people Lazar went to school with dont even know Lazar exist after those years in College or High School. Its like my High School, I aint keeping track of people I went to High School with to see if they became somebody and big machismo's in the real world.

I still think the guy we know as Bob Lazar is the cover for someone who actually does work inside Area 51.

Bob Lazars story was always believable. The description of the technology he outlined made perfect sense to me as well. Just the way it is with me and, I have have no doubt, a majority of people who saw the interviews and read his story.
At the time he came forward with his story, there was no need for the government to throw out any bones, no "smoking guns" to cover, ect.... No need for a"distraction" so "outlandish" as this may have seemed at the time. The man told a story, with some conviction, that makes perfect sense to this day. After I heard of the story, I did some (quite a bit, actually) of research into the technologies he described and found out enough to believe the man knew what he was talking about. Also, whether skeptics here want to believe in ALIEN tech or not, the fact remains that by 1953, many (est. 40+) aircraft companies felt anti-gravity was a technology only a few years from being harnessed. Why would they say this unless the underlying techology was already understood? AND THIS WAS NEVER DISCUSSED AGAIN for 50+ years???? I can only IMAGINE what has been developed in the last 56 years . I wouldn't call anyone stupid, but 2+2=4.
This government recently had to admit (Sept 10, 2001) that upwards of 3 TRILLION dollars of taxpayer money had been "lost" due to mismanagement, oversight, blahh, blahh,,,,,. Yeah, RIGHT. Who here believes that the GAO still works with pencils and notebook paper??? Doesn't the Government ALSO assign BILLIONS each year to "Black Programs"? Half of the money supposedly spent in Iraq for the war is "UNACCOUNTED FOR?'". Government complicity PROVEN and DOCUMENTED in the Cocaine trade since the early 80's, (and probably other drugs) to pay for old, scrap WWII equipment and weapons for guerrillas?, BILLIONS in Star Wars funds for 20 years that went to FUND NOTHING? B-2 bombers that cost TWO BILLION EACH??? The list of funds diversions and lies goes ON and ON.......
You can argue and try to convince me that I'm a goob for believing the government is engaged in and financing clandestine activities of EPIC scale if you want, I GUARANTEE you can't convince me that it's not. You can fool some of the people some of the.......
I am not the only person in this country with SOME common sense, and I think a lot more people out here more than might be realized, feel something similar to what he described, has been going on a long time.

When I am deciding something or in creative process, shooting from the hip as it where, I usually find that my first impression was the best. Many times I have done days of work, only to find my best idea, or my first impression in the first few minuets was my most accurate or best idea.

I believed Bob was the genuine article right off the bat, and that impression never left me. I have listend to many of the arguments, and sometimes I think, "Hmm, that's interesting. I wonder..." But it never holds water against the pressure of everything else I have seen, heard and read. So, had I a gun to my head (perish the thought), I would teeter definitely in Bob's direction. (BAM!) just kidding.

There is something to say for our ability to see a person's character. An almost if not intuitive skill we have, if not a wounded un-trusting and suspicious soul.

And I place a lot of cred in George Knapp who also believes Bob is who he says and many others say he is. So a bit of cement on that joint.

Also, what do people say about the revelation of elements 115-116, and the reactor in the Sport Model? It's in the Periodic Table now, isn't it?

First 115 was as fleeting as Californium and other elements with half lives of a few milliseconds or such. Do they have a stable form yet? Anyone comment on this? Edu-crate me here.

ZG

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In my opinion, the annual multi-billion dollar black budget along with the extreme secrecy of the american government in certain regards speaks volumes just by knowing these two facts. Certainly all the money can't be spent in financing anti-socialist guerillas nor do we really need an SDI after russia's political system collapsed in the early 90s. There seems to be a vacuum of money and most people(even congress and senate) seem to be clueless as to where the money is being spent.

As to Lazar being a fraud or not is almost immatterial. There have been other whistle blowers in the past such as bill hamilton and phill schneider that I can easily recall. Unfortunately, most have been killed(or so it seems) and Lazar is alive because he managed to tell a convincing "story" before special ops could get him. There do appear to be some holes in his "story" but for the most part the puzzle fits.

Has anyone seen AREA-51 documentaries where people that work there claim to have seen technology that is AT LEAST 50 YEARS ahead of what people perceive it to be? If they can admit to this then try to imagine what really goes on there and how likely it is that technology is probably much, MUCH more advanced then that....say hundreds of years ahead! It doesn't take an einstein personality to reach these conclusion.

In one of these documentaries Lazar was a special guest and his recollection of events at S-4 was nothing short of phenomenal. I was glued to the monitor the entire time. Do I believe everything? Probably not, but that does not automatically discredit him.

[edit on 16-2-2008 by EarthCitizen07]

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
How hard is it to go out on any given night to the rear of a base that does clandestine test flights of various craft and NOT see lights in the sky, lol.

[edit on 15-2-2008 by IgnoreTheFacts]

Various carft ?, if we are talking winged craft id think John Lear would have noticed this fact not to mention George Knapp.

A guy named Dick Criswell who claims to have been part of ALPHA COM under D.A.R.P.A. during the Bill Clinton Presidency told me he saw Lazars paper work and knows for a fact Lazar worked at Area 51.

Theirs no doubt he worked at Area 51, but the only thing I heard he did there was be a cook, yeah....... a cook of all things.

i lived in vegas for quite a while and i will tell you that george knapp's reputation is gold. he is so honest that there was a story about his family suffering retaliation from an unknown source there in las vegas because of his honesty and reports in the news.
wed and sun night's are the night's that i heard and viewed testing at edwards so it doesn't surprise me that thats the night they saw that craft out there . but you didn't hear that from because i'm not one to gossip

Any news of Lazar these days?

He lives in the "East Mountains" (Sandia Mountains) a few minutes outside of Albuquerque. I recall a year back or so he had some legal issues because of some chemicals/explosives he as storing at his home, I'll try to find the news story.

Originally posted by jbondo

Dude, I am 45 and can still remember the names of grade school teachers and my memory is terrible.

Not only does he have a problem remembering professors but it would seem that not one professor or student has ever come forward to support Lazar's claimed education.

You're telling me that he didn't make one friend in college? That he didn't provide one memory from anyone?

As for knowing about flight plans, lots of people were going out to groom lake every night to look for UFO's. In other words, anyone with just a bit of logic could observe UFO's one night, come back the next night and see them again, look at their watch and think: hmmm, I wonder if I come back tomorrow night at this time if I'll see.....I think even the dimmest of bulbs could detect a pattern here.

I have made these points before and seems they were selectively ignored.

I'm 26 and I could only remember a couple of my professor's name... I guess my memory is more terrible than yours.

reply to post by sarentack


Prove it.

Unless you provide proof you can file this with all the other Lazar/John Lear nonsense.

Element 115 seems very unrealistic, which makes Lazar's claims a little bit ridiculous.

The half-life on such a thing would be very short, and in his theory, to add a proton to it to have it react, that would be INCREDIBLY difficult... Like, difficult by today's standards, let alone by his day's standards.

Maybe there is extraterrestrial life, but I think that Lazar has just scammed all of you into some fantasy world. Think about it. We're a 'greater lifeform', and we don't send our aircraft out to remote islands to re-evolve species (as some people claim these 'aliens' do to us)... Don't you think they'd have better things to do?

Sorry Lazar, better luck next time.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Element 115 seems very unrealistic, which makes Lazar's claims a little bit ridiculous.

The half-life on such a thing would be very short, and in his theory, to add a proton to it to have it react, that would be INCREDIBLY difficult... Like, difficult by today's standards, let alone by his day's standards.

Maybe there is extraterrestrial life, but I think that Lazar has just scammed all of you into some fantasy world. Think about it. We're a 'greater lifeform', and we don't send our aircraft out to remote islands to re-evolve species (as some people claim these 'aliens' do to us)... Don't you think they'd have better things to do?

Sorry Lazar, better luck next time.

The half life of the isotopes of element 115 so far created are short, but a stable isotope is predicted and is entirely plausible that it exists elsewhere.

If that is the case it is possible it was brought here and given to us by the beings Lazar speaks of. It is also possible that we have since developed or have been taught methods of creating stable isotopes of element 115 artificially.

Originally posted by helium3
I mean if Lazar is a complete fraud then did he just predict on mulitply times and dates when a UFO would be in the sky to be filmed ?. After all he took John Lear, George Knapp and others to view the craft on specific times and dates. For someone making this all up that a extremely impressive feat, i mean can you predict when a UFO will be in the sky ?

[edit on 14-2-2008 by helium3]

Not only that but Lazar showed Knapp around inside the Los Alamos building, he had the clearance and knew his way around.

That counts for something

Originally posted by xion329alpha
reply to post by helium3

 

Bob Lazar is not a fraud I watched a Tv show with the guy that hosts that Unexplained Phenomena show and they used old business directories and phone books to prove that Bob Lazar worked where he say he worked and studied where he said he studied. Proof that someone has gone and erased him from direct records.

I saw that as well, plus I would like to add that no one has come up with an alternate place of employment for this man. Surely someone would remember him working at their place of business.

His speech is consistent with his educational claims and his dwelling and material possessions are consistent of a person who has maintained high end employment, at least at the time of the video.

It is difficult for me to think that this man could go on national TV, make these claims and not expect his real ex-boss to come forth with alternate employment information, company records, payroll, company phone guides and listings, etc.

It is much easier to believe that he can make the claims that he did, best to the knowledge he had and someone pull a few pieces of info off the shelves and delete a few files to attempt to make him disappear and/or discredited.

That being said, perhaps he is given to hyperbole, exaggeration and an over zealous demeanor, but that doesn’t mean his entirely full of junk, just that he gets carried away with his work.

reply to post by nutglow


I only remember a few teachers in my life, very few. The ones that helped to awaken me and the idiots to with I used to argue. Maybe 6 in all from elementary to college. Oh, and the high school teacher I used to "date", so 7 in all.