Gunman opens fire in Illinois classroom.

We have members in the area: www.abovetopsecret.com...

This sort of thing is happening way too often ...

...and it will get worse IMO.
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AM i the only one thats finds it suss that nearly all the people shot in these things are almost always wounded? it lends credibility to the stories of these people being mind controlled and sent to do these things in order to scare the country into allowing the government to strip away more freedoms

Holy [-snip-]
It's amazing that no one else was killed.
Seriously...what the hell is going on these days?
I suppose that Jack Thompson (or whatever his name is) is going to try to blame this on violent video games too.
We're only 10 months removed from the VT shootings, and now this?
Seriously, what the hell...?



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Y'know, I can't help but have those thoughts too man.
If there isn't a problem, create one.
Yeah, so I've heard...

'Prior knowledge' of potential violence:

The school was closed for one day during final exam week in December after campus police found threats, including racial slurs and references to shootings earlier in the year at Virginia Tech, scrawled on a bathroom wall in a dormitory. Police determined after an investigation that there was no imminent threat and the campus was reopened.

...and the numbers this week:

The shooting was the fourth at a U.S. school within a week.

On Feb. 8, a woman shot two fellow students to death before committing suicide at Louisiana Tech. College... in Memphis, TN, a 17-year-old is accused of shooting and critically wounding a fellow student Monday during a high school gym class, and the 15-year-old victim of a shooting at an Oxnard, CA, junior high school has been declared brain dead.

www.nytimes.com...

The news said that five had die; including the gunman.

Originally posted by skibtz
This is just absolutely crazy. Somethig has to be done. Gun control. School security. I don't know. Maybe both and more.

Ask the Australians how the gun control went down before you talk gun control here.

They did the same thing there(referring to media crap on gun violence) and people were so outraged by what they saw they freely gave up their RIGHTS TO FIREARMS willingly.

I on a side note hate guns, but i am damn glad they are here.

I also think this person did this for his 3 seconds of fame nothing more nothing less.

[edit on 2/14/2008 by ThichHeaded]

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Yeah, interesting take.
I don't like guns.
I don't own any.
But I'm damn sure not gonna give up my right to own one.

I would be nice to see someone with a CCW permit or a cop take one of these losers out before they cause too much damage but oh well

I cant imagine someone being so delusional that they shoot up a classroom full of innocent people for mere fame ...

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
This is getting rediculous... there has to be something going on... there is no way this is coincedence.

Why is this happening now... I don't get worried about things like this normally , but Something just FEELS wrong.

America is the only country on Earth that has the right to bear arms. you take away that right and combine it will the 10's of millions of illegals and you have yourself one North American Union sporting the Amero as currency.

and with hillary or obama a shoe in to win the white house, they'll have an democratic majority in both the house and senate so they will have smooth sailing passing legislation which is scary.

Originally posted by OhZone
What's going on?

Something is up for sure. The powers that be are in a frenzy to put us all in lock down. Time is running short for their agenda. They have to get the guns out of our hands. The core reason is likely too bizzare for most to believe.

No, I don't know why. I only know/can see that there is no logical reason economicly or politically. Use you imagination - the most bizzare, absurd reason you can think of is likely the truth or close to it.

These are all mind controlled, programmed shooters.
No coincidence that there is a cluster of them.

and i find it interesting how they are targeting chicago and DC...hmmm, why is that? they have reasoning for it.

Originally posted by MikeboydUS
Good work America, if we keep it up, we can insure we are all unarmed, medicated and sedated zombies.

BRAVE NEW WORLD

"Johnny" brought a gun to school today. It made the front page of the paper. He saw no other recourse. He had been "bullied" he said and left to feel so inadequate in his un-averageness that this was the recourse he saw as an answer. It was his dying statement of the absolute power of the individual to matter in anyway necessary. We've all seen the stories. Johnny is just your average name.

The standard American child is an illusion. He/she does not exist. No one is just average. Every single child has no outcome but to feel inadequate within this educational system we have created. Standardized testing as the sole benchmark of success in public schools inflicts a concept of achieving average, being above average, or rising from below average in basic skills as the goal of education. George Bush's No Child Left Behind unfunded mandate has done more disservice to our children in setting average as a goal than anything else we could have done. It has focused nearly all resources of public schools on helping children achieve that average. We have done a great injustice to our children.

Sadly, it is an injustice perpetrated among the adult population as well. There is no such thing as an average adult. Until we can come to terms with this lack of a concept we will continue to deal with the pain and misery of every human being who considers himself or herself "different" in any way.

What we have failed to lift up, failed to nurture, and failed to tolerate in our educational model is that every child has an individual gift or talent. Ask yourself of your own children or a child you know. What amount of educational resources goes toward discovering and growing your child's unique gifts? Is your child an individual in his school or a dot on a statistical bell curve? You might be surprised by the real answers to these questions.

I've often wondered, as I handed a bowl of soup to another faceless homeless person in a crowd of many, "At what point did it all go wrong for them? At what point in this person's life did the potential brain surgeon, teacher, brick mason, horticulturist in this person die and give up? At what point did the law of averages catch up with him?"

Society is plagued by this illness of statistical average. Education's role must be rethought. While reading, writing and math are the foundation of a child's future, if we build nothing upon it, this foundation will crumble and turn to dust from exposure to the elements.

Until education learns to search for, nurture through individualized independent curriculum study, and expand each child's unique talents there will be no progress. There will be more Johnny's who see a gun as their means to individualism and a voice. And, Johnny, "I don't fit in" will one day bring a gun to your child's school because he can't take it any more.

Our educational model must include sometime in every day for a child to express his individualism and explore his talents. We have computer labs sitting underutilized and neglected in schools everyday because beyond keyboarding and using mass programs, children aren't afforded exploration of their uniqueness.

I propose that we find a new use for school computers. I propose that waiting until college, if Johnny can hold out that long, is too late to recognize that an individual interest or knowledge-base should be cultivated.

I propose that children be allowed to major in an area of independent study from K-12, which is not about averages, but about growing their own unique human potential. I propose that universities reform their curriculum so that it could leverage the mind of a future Ph.D., with knowledge-based education that turns an interest or hobby into true realized human potential. I propose that every individual is destined for greatness if we can see them for what they are - individuals. We all have strengths. We all have weaknesses. No one is just average. That is a dead END.

I do see how, but I don't understand why these threads on shooting incidents always end up defending the right to own arms, when it is so much beyond doubt that the frequency of such incidents are intirely connected to the easy accessibility of shotguns in the US of A.

To defend your rights ...against your own government is the most common argument.

Well, if your elected government isn't more trustworthy than you have to keep your finger on the trigger all the time, then elect another government, ultimately another electoral system.

What I would like to get investigated about the shooters, are any common trend of medication, most likely of the prozac type.

Originally posted by EyesWideShut
This is getting rediculous... there has to be something going on... there is no way this is coincedence.

Why is this happening now... I don't get worried about things like this normally , but Something just FEELS wrong.

I felt the same thing when I read about this...came onto this board hoping to find some answers...

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Maybe we should be asking ourselves whose means to an end are young adults emulating? Is it not the leader(s) of our very own country who have taught us that the way to have one's way is through the sites of a gun? We are fast learners. Of course something is going on. We, they, are following our leader! George W. doesn't say let's talk this through using conflict resolution skills, he straps on a flight suit and screams "Bring It On!" Well America...it is here. We reap what we sow. And our children have grown up watching exactly how we resolve conflicts. Why should we expect more from them than we expect of our president?

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I honestly believe that the reasons these things take place are a direct result of bullying.

Children can be all too cruel when it comes to the treatment of others, especially those who are "different". I remember my school years all to well, the lack of respect that the other kids would send my way. Of course I had the mental stability to realize that killing them was not a good idea.

I think a fix to these issues, would be more stringent discipline for the opressive youths in any school. Make bullys get into serious trouble for treating others with disrespect. If you find a way to curb that behavior, I would bet that these shootings would die down. (no pun intended)

Lastly, I often wonder when these types of things happen, just who was shot first? Did those who were killed, or injured mistreat the shooter? Of course nothing they could have done would warrant death, it still causes me to think.

Originally posted by Peace Frog
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Not sure if anyone else remembers or has experienced this in the U.S. school system... But when I was a child enrolled in a public school (elementary)..

You always had someone that would act up in class. - and since this person acted up the entire class would have to pay for his act. Like missing recess - and sometimes staying after class, or having to do extra 'homework'.

In my eyes (especially seeing our country now); that was nothing more than conditioning the youth to accept and develop the mindset in order to accept the policies being made today.

Unfortunately, little things like this seem to work very very well. and todays school systems are 50x worse.

Yes, I definately remember that. I was always the odd, stubborn one who wouldn't take my 'punishment' gracefully. I'd argue about not having done anything wrong, why was I being punished, etc and I was in return treated like an evil monster. The instructors would allow the other students to beat me, threaten me, etc on a daily basis and blame me for it saying I was a "troublemaker" and that I deserved it. One of the reasons I homeschool. I wish I had from the beginning.

They'll force our rights away from us one day and lock up anyone who protests against it.

Does anyone have any information on the shooter? Besides being a post-grad who was not even enrolled at the time of shooting what else do we know of this guy? Where did he high school? Any witnesses talking yet?