American "Soldier" Brags of Torture, Rape & Murder

No one can prove this guy was in Iraq and no one can prove this guy was NOT in Iraq. Fact: We do not know WHO this guy is.

I notice the comment about a Marine wearing an Army T-shirt... did I miss the part where he claimed to be a Marine? All I heard him say was that he was a guard at Abu Ghraib.

I think the scenario he lays out is very plausible, but I am not going to say this video is real. The constant stopping and restarting of the video leads me to believe it is scripted. That being said, the way the video starts out with the camera operator asking the "soldier" to repeat himself leads me to believe it is legit. I do not think we will ever know for sure, but some of the things he says makes a lot of sense and seems very plausible. For example... "They are all guilty", "we don't know who is who so we just grab them all"

I agree most War Vets do not like to talk about what they been a party to. However this guy is not telling "war stories". He claims to be a Prison Guard and I just happen to know a few of those and I have to admit, he sounds just like a few Prison Guards I know when they talk about the things they have seen/done while working in Prison. After all "they are all guilty" or they wouldn't be there is the general mentality I see with Prison Guards, which is why they have no remorse when they mistreat a Prisoner.

Is it legit? I have no idea, but I would not be shocked if it was...would you? If people want to call me a Traitor that's fine by me, but I am ashamed of my country. In this "war" we are the aggressors. We invaded Iraq for no good reason. They had nothing to do with 9/11, they had no WMD's, we have no reason to be there other than to overthrow their Government and take control of their oil. For that I am ashamed.

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What's ironic.... It's not so much the video that is inflammatory as you will, but the way you worded the thread opener. Sounds like there's an agenda....

If it is true what those guys did, they ought to be tried under Iraqi law. There is no excuse!!!

Catch is, how do we even know this video is legit? For all we know it could be some guys down at Berkley acting this out.

Guy one: Let's act out a video that's totally disparaging to the US military!!!

Guy two: That's BRILLIANT!! What do we say?

Guy one: Dunno... Get some beer and we'll go from there.

Other Dorm guys: Did someone say BEER?!? PAARRTTTEEEE!!!

I mean seriously, C'mooooon.

Let's see what comes out of this first before passing judgement.

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Hey manson_322

You may, or may not, have a point.

Unfortunately your link points to a homemade video of some nasty people with vindicitive, creative minds doing nothing but blowing off steam. Not your ideal stand-up witness in a case eh?!

Please repost a link to the actual, intended video that you have obviously categorised as impirical evidence. This will enable us all to understand your anger and may be we can come to some form of agreement.

Many thanks.

Here's my 2 cents.

This guy is a spineless, poor-acting, fake and coward. He obviously has issues with the Iraq invasion so why didn't he spend his 15 seconds of glory intelligently enumerating those issues instead of posing himself as something he clearly is not, nor has been? Why doesn't he have the spine to show his face and make his anti-war statement instead of attacking the men and women over there by pulling this pathetic BS?

I take solace in the following thought:

With as cowardly and dishonest as this guy is, he'll most likely spend the rest of his life with this nagging fear in the back of his pea-brain that he didn't quite conceal his face well enough, and every time he happens on a uniformed military personnel, he'll almost piss himself in public thinking that's the one that's about to beat the living hell out of him for the lies he told.

I'll take comfort in his own personal demons just driving him ape-**** nuts.

[edit on 2-15-2008 by Valhall]

To AshleyD: It's kind of sad that those soccer balls were probably made by a child their age.
But, hey, it's good to see things like that. Let's us see that soldiers aren't just there to kill.

To Manson: Do you ever do anything on these boards but try to tear down the American forces?
Honestly- The only times I've seen you post, it's just been a bunch of b.s about how every American soldier is the devil incarnated.
I don't see your sorry self in someone elses war torn country- Trying to rebuild it.

It is funny to me that you would - LABEL - A human being. I dont care if he is American Canadian Mexican Iraqi Afghani or Chinese. I would not tolerate someone like that. It is Why I left the service... In a declining economy of lies and deceit... and also greed the only alternative for our youth is Military. Unfortunately this HUMAN - if the source is even reliable got in. I guarantee to you though, that our CIA is not part of that teaching force they are just bragging to feel superior using such a name to get that superiority ... which also shows they have problems.

I am no worlds expert but in case you have not noticed The U.S. economy is declining... we are having problems and when people in any region of the world have problems negativity arises and the youth are inflicted with bad morals and charachter. I hope you RETHINK your labels because it is those individuals that need help and instead you probably want to put a bullet in their head before you can intervene in their life and change it for the better. Bravo Sir you disgust me. On another note... other militarys dont tolerate what Americas Military does... but when America is in just about every country trying to keep down civil unrest (believe it or not) the true warriors of our country that would stop the crap are off fighting so you can live, so I can live, and so many others can live. The ones who would stop this are gone. I hope something happens to that man (if he even deserves to be called a man). But it is an unfair world... we do agree with you on the situation, are you willing to help to change it though?

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But certainly a considerable percentage of them

Care to provide any factual data supporting this?


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I call BS on you. WHY DOES ATS ALLOW THIS TRIPE?!?

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This post is as valid as any other topic in the WOT forum



[edit on 17/0208/08 by neformore]

Well, if this video was to whip up unrest, it did its job. Personally, I don't think it's real. I do know that our boy's over there are not as reserved about talking about killing people as some may think, at least the ones I know. It being on YouTube makes it about as credible as cracked-out bum with $100 in his pocket. Ever if it is true, people like that make their own prision.

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Well put Sputniksteve.......idiots come in all shapes, sizes and colors.

If this video was that of a UFO you would be able to see the strings holding the plastic mother ship in the air…it is that bad…

So does anyone have information on whether this guy was in the Army and in Iraq? There are 1000s of videos that are basically designed to be some kind of true and spontaneous event, but there not in anyway.

Since we are talking about children lets just look just back five days as to what American troops are trying to end.

Yesterday
Awja: gunmen storm house, kill 9 -parents and 7 children (7-17 years old).

Wed
Baghdad: 3-year-old boy is hung during attack on primary school, Zafaraniya; 3 bodies.

Tues
Al-Abara: 9-year-old girl is killed by roadside bomb.
Kinaan-Balad Ruz road: gunmen attack minibus carrying schoolchildren, kill 3 (2 girls and 1 boy).

Mon
No kids killed

Sun
Romo: 3 (2 men and a child) are killed in drive-by shooting.
Sinjar: gunmen kill family of 6 -parents and their 4 children; 6 Awakening members are killed in clashes with gunmen following attack on family.

So does the OP have a comment on this?


[edit on 15-2-2008 by Xtrozero]

Oh, the CIA showed them stuff. lol. riiiight. As many have already rightfully called this...HOAX.

Here is my take on it. The video looks like disinfo.

If it is real....all I can say is that war is hell. Nobody comes out of a battle as a hero. They emerge as survivors, and it may take years for them to come to terms with what has happened.

I am not condoning this, or excusing it, but sometimes it seems that after a few encounters you find yourself in kill or be killed mode and it is very hard to turn it off. Your scared silly but you need to put on a brave face until you know you are safe. Feeling safe may take years.

Both sides of a war partake in atrocities. Both sides then need to live with themselves. Very hard.

reply to post by manson_322


Get a life man. Your "proof" always fails and proves nothing because it is either a fake or it is one bad guy. This video looks really fake to me and staged so please do something else and stop bashing on America.

All I need to do now is go get some video of a suicide bomber and say "well it looks like all arabic people are suicidal cowards that follow a useless religion that controls them"

Who cares if it is fake? It is the truth. American soldiers have raped, murdered, tortured and humiliated innocent people. It has been proven by photos and court cases. It makes me sick to be American. We draw our soldiers from the bottom of our society.

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couldnt click the link above,so cant comment but to say if it is true it doesnt reflect on the whole amercian population.There are always going to be a few bad eggs.

have a good day warmongers

[edit on 17/0208/08 by neformore]

Yeah right, this guy was there and he is going to make a video telling this stuff. Please get me cell ready in the federal pen.

Let's overlook the beheadings, the intentional blowing up of innocents including women and children, the beating of rape victims, the way Muslims are killing and raping their way across Africa, the hiding among women and children while attacking soldiers, attacking soldiers in the midst of women and children, the protests that insult our western way of life, the calling for Sharia Law by Muslims that western nations were kind enough to give refuge, the high rate of incidents of Muslims raping Western women in the Western nations that have given them asylum. the killing of Muslim women who chose not to follow the Muslim religion, on and on and on and on.

Do you think a thirteen year old girl who is married to a fifty year old man wants to have sex with the old man when he takes her to his bed? Do you really think it is consensual? What do you know of honor and respect.

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Let's give them no more of a platform for their hate spewing rhetoric as is possible.

Remember everybody, Sihks (who also wear turbans) shouldn't be LUMPED along with muslims.

[edit on 17/0208/08 by neformore]

this is awful, but you need to realize that this is just one man.

There are many bad people all over the world, you talk about westerners doing this, and I'll talk about easterners strapping bombs to themselves and killing a bunch of people, whats the difference?
The difference is I dont relate those bad people to the whole of a nation.

There are plenty of good people in our military, this guy isnt.
I'm sure he will be sentenced accordingly.
No one I know, here in the west, would be proud of hearing this story.

reply to post by manson_322


It's a shame you have let your irrational hatred take over your thoughts. Perhaps you should visit the US and find out the truth about who we are and what we are like. Hate will eat you up inside.