America NEEDS another civil war. The people VS the government.

Habeas corpus: The right to trial by jury for accused crimes.

"The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion of safety may require it." (United States Constitution)

A revolution can be classified as "rebellion", which can actually allow the government to suspend habeas corpus even sooner. Then we may be taken off the streets for any reason without the right to protest.

So the best way to resist is through a nonviolent assembly of people...

As for what to do after throwing the current leaders out of power, that has yet to be decided upon. For now, the immediate threat is right in front of us. Taking care of that first should be the top priority. In the American Revolution, the governments of 1st and 2nd Continental Congress were developed in while the war was still going on. A formal solution to the aftermath is not necessarily required for a revolution to be successful or gather followers, as long as it is about something that directly affects them.

another thing that no one ever seems to take into account when deciding that we need another war of any kind here on our soil is food the last time we had an uprising here in the states people grew their own food, but not any more so many people would starve to death or kill others for their snickers it would be insane, more like the Postman than a civil war

Not to mention most people don't have what it takes to take the life of an animal much less a human..

Let's face it we are still hunter gatherers but as men we now only hunt women and we do all of out gathering at the bar..


Respectfully
GEO

Why do you think there are so many concentration camps and censorship of the media? It's because the government KNOWS that the people can still do something to thwart their plans otherwise they wouldn't have gone through so much measures to ensure that we are ill-equipped to respond.

[edit on 11-2-2008 by wolfwood290]

I often look twice at black vans parked outside my house. But yes I agree that we are overdue for a revolution. Our founding fathers would be upset that we havent had one in the past 20 years. Im afraid that facts are facts and if we wish to remain free then blood must be shed.

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and the second the war ended the banks would buy back up everything and corrupt whatever politician put in power.

Wars wont change things. If we want change there is only one means...

Get rid of money.

As long as money exists there will always be someone stepping on your throat to get more for themselves and less for others.

Originally posted by wolfwood290
Why do you think there are so many concentration camps and censorship of the media? It's because the government KNOWS that the people can still do something to thwart their plans otherwise they wouldn't have gone through so much measures to ensure that we are ill-equipped to respond.

First of all, I have yet to see any concentration camps. Secondly with the exception of not revealing current military operations, I don't see the Government censoring the media. If anything it's the media self policing themselves, but that's completely different than what you're suggesting.
You keep referring to the "Government" as if it's one group of like minded people. Unless the police and military agree to support a plan to suspend personal rights, without any provocation, it's gonna be awfully hard for them to enforce that sort of paranoid agenda.

Originally posted by admriker444
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Wars wont change things. If we want change there is only one means...

Get rid of money.

As long as money exists there will always be someone stepping on your throat to get more for themselves and less for others.

What then, good sir, do you suggest we use as tender? Skins, maize and wampum? No thanks, we all saw how that worked out for the native Americans.

Seriously, there has to be a medium for trade- that, no matter what you call it, equates to "money".

With all due respect, your well intentioned suggestion is poppycock.

He is talking barter system... Surprised a "big word" guy such as yourself didnt pick up on that.

I'm surprised that someone who's worried about the NWO, would suggest going to a non-cash society. Perhaps a mark on your head or hand will suffice.

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Go back and read the post... of course I was talking about the barter system also. What else would you assume represents a "medium for trade"?

Sadly, I know where this will lead. The barter system only works if there is a market for the goods being offered for trade.
Example: You are looking for some corn alcohol. I distill and produce it, and have a surplus. You are a glass blower. You propose that we trade 5 liters of my alcohol for a vase that you have blown. I state to you that while your vase is very pretty, and obviously of good workmanship, I don't have a use for it, and don't want to trade.

Where does that leave us? In a nutshell, war.

Of course this is an overly simplified example of just one of the fallacies the "barter" system. I think it's a fairly major conundrum though.

The alternative? (Where I fear the poster suggesting we "get rid of money" is leading)... Socialism.

Welcome to the NWO kids.

Also, I wasn't aware I was using words that were too "big". Me keep words at 6th grade level from now on for friend from Canada.

Me hope you not angry. Me like talking to you.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
I'm surprised that someone who's worried about the NWO, would suggest going to a non-cash society. Perhaps a mark on your head or hand will suffice.

Obviously we're on the same train of thought here. I couldn't have but it more succinctly myself.

Thanks!

Civilians vs govt military = epic fail

Originally posted by cbianchi513

Originally posted by BlueRaja
I'm surprised that someone who's worried about the NWO, would suggest going to a non-cash society. Perhaps a mark on your head or hand will suffice.

Obviously we're on the same train of thought here. I couldn't have but it more succinctly myself.

Thanks!

Don't mention it. Thanks for your service by the way, even though I'm a dogface Army type.

Originally posted by cbianchi513
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Go back and read the post... of course I was talking about the barter system also. What else would you assume represents a "medium for trade"?

Sadly, I know where this will lead. The barter system only works if there is a market for the goods being offered for trade.
Example: You are looking for some corn alcohol. I distill and produce it, and have a surplus. You are a glass blower. You propose that we trade 5 liters of my alcohol for a vase that you have blown. I state to you that while your vase is very pretty, and obviously of good workmanship, I don't have a use for it, and don't want to trade.

Where does that leave us? In a nutshell, war.

lol! you dont like the vase... ok then they call that "NO DEAL" not war! lmao! wow...

Thats why its called the BARTER SYSTEM... I would have to find something you deem worthy of your booze. If you decide you want something i deem unreasonable... then again... this is called "NO DEAL"

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... and I continually deem what you offer in trade unacceptable, because I want one specific item that you cannot offer because it is unavailable in the area you live in. Also, the people who live where that item is available will not trade with your people because of old and deep seated predjudices.

Your back's against the wall. You don't need the alcohol to "get drunk", your doctors need it as a disinfectant/anesthesia. People in your area will perish without it.

Is the picture becoming more clear to you? Perhaps you would prefer to continue "laughing" (lol,lmao-your "words") at your narrow-minded estimation.

The point is, it's human nature to escalate situations when we don't get what we want or need. We make the proverbial "mountain out of a molehill" when the perception of potential suffering arises.

War would, eventually, become inevitable. "No deal" only goes so far.

Admit it, human nature being what it is, and assuming that by some cataclysmic event the world monetary system is null and void... War is going to happen, even on a family to family scale it is still "war".

Actually I never mentioned a Barter system. Folks who cant wrap their mind around a world without money cant comprehend this.

Barter was something we used before money was invented. This doesnt mean we have to revert back to it if we remove currency.

A much simpler and easier method is available.

A farmer grows cotton. He keeps whatever he needs and gives the rest up to the market, and here's the part currency society types cant grasp...he gives it up for free without anything in return.

A rancher raises cattle. Again, he keeps whatever he needs to sustain himself and the rest go to the market.

The same farmer needs some steaks for the week. He goes to market and gets whatever he needs.

Very simple system

And I'll argue down the doubters now because I already know what they'll say....

No there wont be hoarding. Mr. Farmer isnt going to take more steaks than he needs just because theyre free. He wil understand that there will always be more steaks available if he needs them.

People wont want to work without money - incorrect, people enjoy working, it gives them a purpose. In fact without money, our society will be far more efficient and better overall. No longer will a person born with an innate ability to teach students take a corporate gig because the pay is better. The less popular tasks will be automated and done by machines. It isnt cost effective now but in a world without money that wont be an issue.

Nothing is ever going to change as long as we have money around. I guarantee you money is a human condition and is a totally foreign concept to an alien race. How many times will humanity think the next world war will be the last one ? It will never end because humans are inherently susceptable to greed. Money corrupts absolutely.

Removing Bush, the Rockefellers, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, Pol Pot, etc never changes anything. Money will always give birth to new evil men.

Im rather shocked that so many here cant understand and accept that money has to go. You all can believe that 9-11 was an inside job, that aliens have visited this planet, and that a global conspiracy exists but somehow money seems necessary.

Lets say we have a revolution tomorrow just like we did in 1776. We overthrow the govt like we did in 1776. Again it will be for the very same reasons we revolted in 1776, unfair taxation, horrible corrupt banking system, and a govt supressing the people. I think we can all agree it would be exactly like 1776 for the very same reasons are forefathers revolted.

After the revolution, we would install a new govt, a new central bank probably with the same checks and balances we now have. It would be likely we would just reuse the Consitution we already have but we would ensure it gets enforced.

Once again we will slip down a corrupt slope thanks to money. If the central bank isnt in private hands, it will eventually end up there. It took the rothschilds 140 years to get a permanent private bank set up in America the first time. The elite are relentless and will never give up.

Once again politicians will be bought and paid for by the elite bankers. Corporate interests will slowly overtake individual interests. Wars will be started again by false flags to make corporate interests wealthy.

The govt will start to supress the people like they always do to protect themselves from a possible rebellion.

It will repeat itself over and over as it has done throughout history. Money will keep this cycle going until one day a rebellion will fail and the people will remain supressed. People dont grow their own food anymore. Theyre totally reliant on the state to live.



[edit on 13-2-2008 by admriker444]

good post man, i see your point.

Read this quote from JP Morgan, the infamous banker and part owner of the Federal Reserve...

J. P. Morgan, quotes about Banking:
"Capital must protect itself in every way... Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people have lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law applied by the central power of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principle men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capitalism to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd."

Basically what Mr. Morgan is stating is that the money system is enforced a means to control the world.

And when you realize that money isnt truly real, you must question why a bank would foreclose on a person's home or take their car from them. Like Morgan is saying, its done to govern the people, to get them to focus and fight over other issues.

In essence we are allowing ourselves to be enslaved by nothing. We accept currency as our system and the elite use that system to control us. Money isnt real, its not even paper anymore. Its just digits created on a PC to force us to comply, to work as serfs, to grant the govt the right to spy on us, to get us to give up our children to the state for "education"

No war is going to ever fix things. How many millions must die before people read their history books and see us repeating the same mistakes over and over.

This quote sums up my opinion that if we take away the evil men but leave money around, it will simply give birth to more evil men lusting after money...

Sir Josiah Stamp, quotes about Banking:
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits."

So what do you do? How do you change anything without revolution?