the contradiction of god

reply to post by saint4God


Fair enough, my work involves using the computer most of the time. And I forget that others do not have the same luxury, or curse, depending on how it is looked at. So apologies for my lack of patience.

Originally posted by saint4God

*sigh* Very well then, if people aren't going to read the book, I'll have to quote it yet again:

"If anyone says anything to you, tell him that the Lord needs them, and he will send them right away." - Matthew 21:3

It does NOT say the man will say "Stop! Theif!", rather they will be gifted.

That isn't what Luke (whoever he was) related but it doesn't matter. JeZeus didn't tell them to go ask if they could borrow a colt which he could have easily done. He told them to go take it without asking. Even a well trained four year old can understand it is wrong to take something which doesn't belong to him without asking. Face it. Your precious JeZeus is a common thief, like his father the devil.

[edit on 20-2-2008 by Lilitu]

reply to post by Lilitu


OK...you know this was theft how? After all, we have examples of Jesus conjuring stuff out of thin air and we don't have anything to suggest that this was someone else's property.

Originally posted by chromatico
...we don't have anything to suggest that this was someone else's property.

The fact it was tied up (as opposed to roaming free) doesn't suggest to you it was someone elses property? Remind me never to invite JeZeus followers onto my property. Hard telling what might come up missing.

Originally posted by Lilitu

Originally posted by chromatico
...we don't have anything to suggest that this was someone else's property.

The fact it was tied up (as opposed to roaming free) doesn't suggest to you it was someone elses property?

Remind me never to invite JeZeus followers onto my property. Hard telling what might come up missing.

That'll do. If you have something to add to the discussion, fine but please stop baiting fellow members.

Originally posted by adigregorio
Fair enough, my work involves using the computer most of the time. And I forget that others do not have the same luxury, or curse, depending on how it is looked at. So apologies for my lack of patience.

No worries, just didn't want anyone feel like I was leaving them hanging.

reply to post by intrepid


Baiting? I don't think so but if you are so concerned about what gets posted then how about cleaning up the vast majority of threads here which have absolutely nothing to do with "Conspiracies in Religions". Either that or change the forum name to "Christian Apologetics" which would seem to be more appropriate.

reply to post by Lilitu


Check it out.

But thank you on telling me how to do my job.

Wow I totally missed this post, I swear it wasn't there when I looked last.

Originally posted by saint4God

Originally posted by adigregorio
Or did he die for my sins, then take back the offer when I decided not to accept it?

The offer is still on the table, the transaction has not been completed...yet.

Actually, I forgot to mention that at one time I had accepted that he died for my sins. Of course now I do not believe that is the case.

I had a Christian tell me that it was too late, that since I already accepted it I could not go back on the decision. That is when I decided to blaspheme against the holy spirit. So now there was a problem, at least for that Christian, I can't go to heaven because of my blaspheme, but I can because of my prior acceptance of Jesus.

Regardless, "free will" is still a contradiction. If it was called "free will, within a defined set of parameters" that would be different.

Lastly, hell for me, would be being in heaven knowing that there are many souls in hell suffering and there is nothing I can do about it. So, for me, it would be a no win scenario.

Originally posted by adigregorio
Wow I totally missed this post, I swear it wasn't there when I looked last.

No worries, I snuck it in with my leet haxxor skillz I learned at the secret Christian Underground Brainwashing Academy.

Originally posted by adigregorio
Actually, I forgot to mention that at one time I had accepted that he died for my sins. Of course now I do not believe that is the case.

I don't recall reading anything in the Bible about never being able to turn away. In fact, I can provide two places where it says it would be the case for many.

Originally posted by adigregorio
I had a Christian tell me that it was too late, that since I already accepted it I could not go back on the decision.

Hopefully we both know this isn't true. Sorry your friend was misguided about this.

Originally posted by adigregorio
That is when I decided to blaspheme against the holy spirit.

That's what they call a "big oops".

Originally posted by adigregorio
So now there was a problem, at least for that Christian, I can't go to heaven because of my blaspheme, but I can because of my prior acceptance of Jesus.

Sorry, the former negated the latter. You've nullified the contract, anulled the marriage as part of the Biblical terms and agreements. This is the point where a lot of believers may make a second mistake by cutting a person off. I don't believe in cutting a person off because that equals hopelessness. Hopelessness is not a tool of a believer.

Originally posted by adigregorio
Regardless, "free will" is still a contradiction. If it was called "free will, within a defined set of parameters" that would be different.

That might be a better way of putting it. The problem is most of us only like to read two words and run with it. We believe "free will" should mean "absolute free will" which does not exist. I can prove that statement too. Free will has conditions, constitutionally, Biblically and sociologically.

Originally posted by adigregorio
Lastly, hell for me, would be being in heaven knowing that there are many souls in hell suffering and there is nothing I can do about it. So, for me, it would be a no win scenario.

This is where faith comes in. The assumption here is that God is malevolent and/or unfair (unjust). Since he is neither, there is no reason to fear this. When we believe our own judgement is superior to God's, then that's when we get into trouble. When we believe self is greater than God, we're worshiping ourselves and competing with God.

[edit on 26-2-2008 by saint4God]

buthe point is this we have gods plan on oneside. and free will on the other. its polar oposites aint it?