Life on the other side of the fence

reply to post by Drakiir


No matter what happens with the grays, it does not matter. Our earth is going to another dimension. Humanity is going to another dimension. The grays are not evolving like Human kind is. They will be stuck on the 3D world and will have to experience death since they cannot steal our energy. The grays cannot love, without being able to love you can not evolve. Beings that cannot love die, but since the grays have been stealing our love energy over the years, they have been able to sustain life, as long as humans were still here. Now like you said they are beings that can manipulate us, with ease. That means it would be pretty easy to steal our love energy. I don't know if the good ones do this as well, but i am positive that bad ones have been doing this for a long time now. When we ascend into another Dimension they will have to face death without human kind to provide them their energy they need to sustain life. I am also pretty sure that is why they are trying to stop this process, and have been trying stop this process for a very long time.

reply to post by Drakiir

The good ones want to help out the human race and live peacefully and help us expand our knowledge.

but I know that both groups want power.

if both groups want power how can that be helping the human race to live peacefully ?


i think if they try to sieze power it would cause more war than they could ever dream of...imho


seems to me all wars were because someone wanted more power ?

reply to post by ZeroGhost


Thanks for the critique! I was being serious. I would really like to know how people come about information like this besides reading it somewhere. I suppose you didn't read the follow up reply that I got.

In the case of this particular person, if they hadn't ever read it some place, they wouldn't even know about it. So, yes, I wanted to know if they had a personal experience.

Did they receive a personal message from God, an angel, or a demon? An alien, or a comic strip. To me it matters where people come up with this stuff.

reply to post by Sys_Config


Hi and welcome aboard. From what I can remember It always felt like i was living 2 versions of one life if thats what they mean but it is possible there maybe a copy of me out there somewhere. I remember ringing a person up and they nearly called the police on me because they thought I was doing a prank call. They had a guy over at their place and he spoke to me on the phone exactly like I talk and new everything abou the person that I knew. It was like they took over my life or something. I went over the house once and the same guy "impersonating" me was there. He had the same voice as me he knew everything about the people I visited and one of the girls even thought i was him. Very weird very freaky

I actually saw a guy on the bus that looked identical to me he had the same hair, body build, skin tone, and face I thought I was seeing things.

I have read this thread and the responses. I do believe I asked about the dual users in the most respectful way possible. And still you reacted with outrage and anger. Even what could be considered veiled threats. In truth all I asked was to have someone check that you were not both users or something similar to back yourself up falsely and make people believe this story you are presenting.
For the record sir. I am not what you call a "skeptic" anyone at ATS that knows me at all will verify that. I have experienced probably far more than you can imagine. I know many things are not as they appear and I know that there are many things around us that most people do not see or understand.

HOwever.. there are some things about you that ring unsincere. Which is why I requested the IP check.

If you are saying with our Yes that you can provide proof .. bring it on.
I am a native american Pleiadian decendant complete with the lower than normal body temperature and the ability to function quite well with very little sleep despite the fact that I am anemic and should be more tired than most.

Don't preach to the choir, but if you are who you say you are then why the defensive attitude? Why the fear of questioning your ip?
When I tell people of things that I have experienced I am content in the knowledge that some will know it is truth and others will never believe but I do not get defensive if they question it. I just accept that they will not know because they are not ready.

This is why I question you. Please.. prove me wrong. and if you want... here is your yes. Send the grays after me. They kept my ancestors alive during times of global chaos when the stages of earth were shifting.

I do not fear them!

reply to post by UFOBountyHunter


It sounds almost satanic like demon or something I could of been an alien but I haven't known them to tease or annoy people at all. Either that or it was an interdimensional being such as a jersey devil which looks similar in features to chiwawa with hoofs and wings other than that Im baffled as to what it could of been

Me again,

In the early 1990's, around 1993-94, I was awakened? or realized? that I wasn't alone in my room at night. The room air was heavy, and the darkness was thick,inky. Then my room started to hiss softly, and I felt slighty woozy. Then, I was paralyzed. I felt like I was strapped down. I was cold, and felt damp. Then I could envision these things that were gray and out of focus. I heard a voice telling me not too resist. I did resist, and tried with every thing I had to move, and to talk. All I could do is moan slightly. All the while, I had this image of the little dudes who came to me when I was a child. I was terrified all over again.
Then, I saw a huge metalic dome over head. It was glowing a soft blue light. I was told too lay quietly. Stop fussing around. I remember thinking or trying to say, "Just leave me alone". I continued to struggle, and got very angry at being held down. ( which is one of my biggest hatreds )
I was thinking or calling them " Co*ksuckers " and "Bastards".
Then I heard something say, " release now, it isn't working. release now".
I heard a distinct thump and a felt a gush of air, and then saw my room go into INKY BLACK again, heavy air, to normal air, and then to normal night time in the house darkness.
The next morning I called my Mother and my Friends and told them about it. I was really upset. They didn't know what to say.
Two days later, there was a report on the local news that a UFO had been spotted near Holland Michigan. I live 35 miles from there.
I freaked.
That same week, I found two distinct scratches on my shoulders. One on each side. They were two fine lines, running parallel to one another, of about 4 to 6 inches long, in a semi-curved pattern just over the shoulders.
They itched. They took a long time to heal. I also found a small hole in my right upper thigh. It looked was about the diameter of an ink pen cartridge. It wasn't very deep. maybe less than a 1/8 th of an inch. It had a funny rubbery gell like scab on it, that I picked off, and then which bled intensely. I could only stop the bleeding by repeated applications of sticking a stiptic pencil into the hole. That thing took months to heal.
This same senario happened again later. Maybe six months after the first.
I remember the room getting that same INKY BLACKNESS, the room air got very heavy, and I couldn't breath, I felt like I was drowning. The room hummed, and I couldn't see the night light on the wall. Then brillance. This time the light around me was orange-ish. Like the light of a dark room, but not as dark. The whole space had no diffinition. I was laying on something cool. My fingers felt the smoothness of it. It reminded me of highly polished metal. VERY ,VERY smooth. I couldn't move again. The air smelled like the yellow crap they smear on you just before surgery. I heard a soft distinctly female voice tell me to be good, and it would be over very soon. I went out. I remember nothing except I was in my room again, and the morning sun was coming thru the curtains. I felt very weak, and sick to my stomach. I went to pee, and my pee hurt coming out.
When I looked into the toilet, it was totally clear, but unusally thick. I wondered why?
I tried to eat breakfast,but, nothing tasted good. Everything had no taste or a funny taste.
I called in to work to tell them I couldn't come in. I was a limp rag all day and into the next. I examined my self all over after I found two bruises on my upper arms. Both were alike, in almost the same places. The were sort of a U shape. About an inch long. They had no feeling. I found nothing else.
About 3 months later, I had an iritation in my nose. In the right nostril.
I kept blowing and picking at the inside of my nose. Nothing would come out. Yet the feeling persisted. It was a cross between an itch and minor sting. I felt around in there with my small finger. Then, I felt something odd against the lining of my nose, against the nasal bone.

continued..

reply to post by easynow


For the human race to live peacefully the good guys would have to make sure that the bad guys don't get there own way and take everything over.

We would have to remove the bad grays from power so they couldn't control us.

The good gray's will help us through the next chapter of life.

Originally posted by Drakiir
reply to post by greeneyedleo

 

Sorry cant do that these beings know when you carry devices on you and will destroy them if they feel the mobile phone or videocam will reveal them. They know everything I do and am being monitored all the time. Im not prepared to face the consequences of showing evidence of a species which I am not supposed to do.

Im not allowed to give physical proof as this would betray the trust i have with these beings.

Your a Farm Animal Under there control, Can you even tell the difference between a Melavant Gray and a Benevalant?
Evil hates Freedom, and this deal is your goverment selling you out for technology too the Malavant grays trying too save there dying race.
Ask your Contact who he works for 3 times.

reply to post by mikesingh


Mike, my friend

I have news for you. What you think of as reality we are finding is a cartoon in comparison to the realities we are about to experience. There is no proof because the proof is not in the way we think so limited. It is even beyond multidimensional. Beyond time, space, logic and experience for most of us. But not all.

I know where you come from, but it is just a part of any story. The abductors (so called) are operating outside of conventional states of consciousness, descriptive reality, and, like I have said, more akin to the difference in awareness to us than an Amoeba to a Biochemist.

Our science is almost worthless in determining legitimacy of these experiences. That is why they control us so completely. And you are so doubtful. If you read all the data, all the different peoples accounts, all the studies by real scientists, psychologists, therapists and others, a picture emerges. It is a BIG picture.

Right now you are focused on one pixel of a 2048 X 2048 image. Lean back a bit. I know you dig science as we have talked a few times here. I love science too. But I found something that is so much more rich in detail and enlightening than just science, while being science of a hyper-order.

Science overtook religion. Now something else is about to trump science. It is beyond science. It is something else completely, and we have been swimming blind in it since simian emergence into the Earth's biosphere.

Let this guy talk. He is not repeating "everyone else" who is telling their story.

Look for hyper-patterns. Larger structures to phenomena. Like seeing tidal size waves and not just the small waves hitting the beach. You will get a sense. Your sharp. I know this. I respect you and appreciate your careful acumen.

ZG

Originally posted by daniel_g
reply to post by Drakiir

 

Ok, I'm going to assume that everything you say is true.

You said that aliens will make us change, even if they have to use the force.

Personally I wouldn't mind if they start sharing technology with us, but couldn't forgive them if they interfere with our healthy evolution(if we are not evolving in a healthy way, then why even consider making us part of their race?).

Sadly our evolution has and will always include wars, if they take that away from us, they are taking our evolution with it. Maybe aliens are afraid that if we continue to evolve this way we will surpass them - that's the only reason I can think of why they would want to use the force against us.

If that's the case, then screw aliens.


[edit on 9-2-2008 by daniel_g]

This is a profound idea. What if the Greys/Aliens/whatever are afraid of what we may become, and what we will be able to do. Ever see that animated sci-fi movie Titan AE? The aliens that were afraid of our potential annhilated earth in order to keep us in line. Wonder if something like this might actually pan out.

And whats with this whole "forcing" us to change? Forcing change on anyone/anything has never worked. I can guarntee you that if something like this occured, you would have a major war.

Originally posted by Drakiir
I knew a lot about aliens, their interventions and other things before the alien phenomena reached the peak it has today. [edit on 9-2-2008 by Drakiir]

coud you pls elaboraate?
how did you contact the E.T?
where do they come from?
what's their plan?
how do you communicate with them?

Originally posted by UFOBountyHunter
I got some information you may or may not think is interesting. It is up yo you! So here goes:

Back when I was a very small child, ( 2-3 ) I was in my bed, nearly asleep.
When a light started to sparkle around in my room. I could remember seeing the tree branches moving around out side my window, but, there was no sound. My room got very bright, and I thought my parents turned on the light,but, it wasn't that.

This... is the real deal.. btw.. we have alot in common. we should talk.

reply to post by NephraTari


Im not challenging the moderator to bring it on as you said. If its a way they can show everyone here that it not a dual thread that Im happy for them to make sure. Im not challenging them they own the site and would be a really stupid thing to challenge them. No one else has suggested it only you and witness 08 isn't even here. There's no need to perpetuate a statement that is even true. If the moderator would like to check out the ip than I respect that. Thats the only way I can put it.

Send the greys after you? I cant do that I said they can track anyone down as in know their body frequency like where you are in a 20 storey building or something. I dont tell them what to do they dont go and take people at my every whim. It doesnt work like that so I dont know where you got the "there coming to get you" scenario from, Ill even promise you it wont happen ok

Originally posted by Enthralled Fan
reply to post by ZeroGhost

 

Thanks for the critique! I was being serious. I would really like to know how people come about information like this besides reading it somewhere. I suppose you didn't read the follow up reply that I got.

In the case of this particular person, if they hadn't ever read it some place, they wouldn't even know about it. So, yes, I wanted to know if they had a personal experience.

Did they receive a personal message from God, an angel, or a demon? An alien, or a comic strip. To me it matters where people come up with this stuff.

Knowledge is not just experience. We are finding that we are in a field of infinite potential, (zeropoint) and all knowledge is always present in potential. All have access, yet few allow the awareness of it in their lives for as many reasons as there are people.

Contact with beings that swim free in this medium can "resonate" you into the awareness just by proximity. People do not yet know how to deal with this, and can be controlled by the constituent beings they encounter.

Experiencers are more often isolated from these experiences by memory being muted so they can operate without going mad. But some are gifted and can "roll with it" remembering their experience. I for one listen carefully and can hear details others miss. These are important to listen to. I have listened to hundreds, and the similarities are surface features. They are all unique if you know how to hear them.

John Mack in "Passport to the Cosmos" is a good place to start if you really want to begin to understand. We are ALL beginning to understand.

ZG

Originally posted by Drakiir
reply to post by easynow

 

For the human race to live peacefully the good guys would have to make sure that the bad guys don't get there own way and take everything over.

We would have to remove the bad grays from power so they couldn't control us.

The good gray's will help us through the next chapter of life.

oh boy do i feel safe now.......

I have seen only once a near white grey and a female grey.

have you considered the possibility that you were being lied to ?

if you have only seen two of them how can you trust what they were telling you ?

if you had met alot of them and seen them doing there thing what ever it is they do, then maybe i could see you having an opinion on their true agenda.

i dont think i could trust any information from something that has ulterior motives imho.

i think you may have been given false info for a reason...imho

reply to post by ZeroGhost


Ok, I look forward to delving into the suggestion you supplied.

Your description about people just knowing is very nicely put, but then again people do learn things by experience also.

How many times did it take you to learn how to tie a pair of shoes? I am almost sure that you didn't just know how to do it by looking at the shoes. You probably had to watch somebody do it for you a few times before you even tried it yourself.

So, from what I am gathering here, from your reply, is that some people just magically know for some reason, and don't have to experience? Like a flower, the outside petals are exposed to more, and as the flower unfolds more of the petals are exposed at a later date?

Originally posted by Drakiir
reply to post by ZeroGhost

 

Are you asking me the question or someone else take a good hard look at the link I posted and all the things I speak of are in the document, I shows control of not only body but the universe.

We got wires crossed. No I was challenging those challenging you. Everyone seems to think they see fraud. I see none. Just to sayto all, lets spend time listening, not trying to defend our disbelief with assumptive proof the OP is fake or cheating. Sorry for any confusion.

While you are here. A question or two.

Do you feel there is much more you are not being allowed to remember? What percentage of your experiences do you think you have been allowed to remember? And, why do you think that you have been allowed any memory at all?

Have they impressed on you anything you must do or pass on besides your experience and your former statements?

Finally, do you sense a time table? What, if so, would that be?

I do not ask for anything you are not allowed to reveal. I sense how important that limitation is and I can only guess why.

ZG

I find it very hard to find other people in my everyday life who shares my knowaldge or concern as to what I beleive is going on

Infact I should say that I have not been able to find anyone, although my brother does have simular intrest