Could the Catholic ROMAN EMPIRE.........!

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth
... As far as the Masons being in cahoots with the RC of today, to me, that is laughable...

Welllllll maybe not as funny as you think.......,

think about it, the templars were.... the Catholic Roman soldiers for 300
years, all civilisation knew it......

Imagine the Frustration and the anger of civilisations......Templars gave
a lot of power to the Vatican, people knew it and history shows that
populations were starting to be very untrusted to the templars and most
important to the Catholic Roman Church.

strangly....pope Clement v, order to the king Philippe Le Bel to arrest the
Templars on friday the 13 th 1307.....!

Could it be possible that the Templars were embarassing to much the
Image of the C. Roman Empire....so Rome.... decided to gain back the
respect of civilisation of the world by dissociated themself from there own
soldiers to keep the control of all roman republics....and the Roman Empire.....!

Could it be possible that Rome, to protect there holy image and to keep
hidden there real goals of the Empire, ( to conquer.......! )
Builted another fraternity, but this time....., to avoid civilisation
rebellions again the church, they dissociate themself, from them at the
beginning of fraternity existence.......!

Freemason could be the successors of the Templars without anybody
knowing it but the hiddend power behind the Vatican....the Illuminati
the Roman Empire....!

All conspiracy on freemason point on the fact that they are everywhere
in all bussiness, corporations, politics, unlike the Templars those new
soldier may use '' lobbying weapon'' instead of swords and spears.....!

Could it be possible.......!
Thanks.......

books i have read on the nwo/illuminati say that the "holy" roman empire will again rear its head ruled by a military dictator and a pope----just as in the past .

islamofascism is finally going to push europeans to take military action in the form of renewed crusades 1.to curb the muslims growing power in europe2.to control the oil in the middle east and 3.supposedly to bring peace to the middle east and in the process move into israel and make jerusalem the new vatican.

instead of bringing peace more wars will result as the russians and chinese and their allies invade the middle east to oust the european crusaders.

as said this is from books i have read---its not from my overactive imagination.

reply to post by Achilles 13

Templars gave
a lot of power to the Vatican

Study history mate.. Templar knights did not give power to the Vatican, they took power FROM the Vatican, and they where not so in line as people may think. They where a separate entity, and where not under Papal orders, nor the orders of any one King either.

pope Clement v, order to the king Philippe Le Bel to arrest the
Templars on friday the 13 th 1307

Because they where not "in it together" so to speak. Clement wanted Power.. without blood on his hands. Clement exonerated the Knights in secret tribunals, but "failed" to get the message to the French King before he killed them. Thus, the blame was on the French, not the Pope. Politics. Good politics at that..

Freemason could be the successors of the Templars without anybody
knowing it but the hiddend power behind the Vatican....the Illuminati
the Roman Empire....!

I thought the Illuminati where evil joos out to kill us all? Ah thats right.. everyone has their own idea of what or who an Illuminati is.

And now the Catholics and Freemasons work together to dominate the world! If that is not historic ignorance, what is?!

Could it be possible

No. Go back to 8th grade history class.

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reply to post by Achilles 13




I am "craying" like a baby.. emotional post? Eh.. sorry if it was, did not write it with much emotion.. and after reading it, does not appear to be? I was simply correct your misconceptions of History.

Thanks for adding to the discussion though.

Is there any actual evidence you can post that would link the RC Church to creating a "new empire" or evidence that the RC Church works with the Freemasons?




[edit on 2/10/2008 by Rockpuck]

i am sorry.......! rockpuck.......
there was nothing personal about the gremlins comparision……

, i was only referring to them because ,they were afraid of the light.....
and here, we want to make light on conspiracy........!

there was nothing personal my friend......
it was only a funny intellectual comparison......

but i admited that i went to far whit the post of the gremlins picture ....!
escuse me, my brother........!

i really think we should try to make light to conspiracy theory
after all... being negative to eachother will not help at all ........!

everyone’s ego have to be put aside if we want to
make light to conspiracies, only impartial attitude
should be accept. people reacting only to protect
there own religion, or fraternity could not be impartial

Scientologist can not have a criticle mind point
of view of the church only a personal point of view
and it is the same whit the Jehovah witness or the
raelians church....i think........on less they accept the possibilities.......
of a conspiracy over there there church, temple or organisations......!

let me propose you all....... this video of the inquisition, showing the attrocity
of the Roman Catholic church
Catholic Inquisition video

While a prolific writer, Albert Pike is best known for his major work
Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Masonry
Published in 1871 (no ISBN), this massive volume consists of 861 pages
and 32 Chapters, covering each of the 32 Degrees of Freemasonry. While
many consider it to be a Mason's guide for daily living, the truth is that not
many Masons have even read the book, on account of it being somewhat
difficult to understand

Albert Pike explained in Morals & Dogma how the true nature of
Freemasonry is kept a secret from Masons of lower degrees:


" The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part
of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally
misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand
them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their
true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry.

The whole body of the Royal and Sacerdotal Art was hidden so carefully,
centuries since, in the High Degrees, as that it is even yet impossible to
solve many of the enigmas which they contain. It is well enough for the
mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue
Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain, and
without any true reward violate his obligations as an Adept. Masonry is the
veritable Sphinx, buried to the head in the sands heaped round it by the
ages. "

In Morals and Dogma, Pike wrote:

" Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and
Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or
the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its
symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the
Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it.
Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to receive it, or would
pervert it.... The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a
teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason…

The Illuminati and Albert Pike

Adam Weishaupt (1748 - 1811) formed the Order of Perfectibilists on May
1, 1776 (to this day celebrated as May Day throughout many western
countries), which later became known as the Illuminati, a secret society
whose name means "Enlightened Ones". Although the Order was founded
to provide an opportunity for the free exchange of ideas, Weishaupt's
background as a Jesuit seems to have influenced the actual character of
the society, such that the express aim of this Order became to abolish
Christianity, and overturn all civil government.

During his leadership, Mazzini enticed Albert Pike into the (now formally
disbanded, but still operating) Illuminati. Pike was fascinated by the idea
of a one world government, and when asked by Mazzini, readily agreed to
write a ritual tome that guided the transition from average high-ranking
mason into a top-ranking Illuminati mason 33rd degree

Since Mazzini also wanted Pike to head the Illuminati's American chapter,
he clearly felt Pike was worthy of such a task. Mazzini's intention was that
once a mason had made his way up the Freemason ladder and proven
himself worthy, the highest ranking members would offer membership to
the secret 'society within a society.

It is for this reason that most Freemasons vehemently deny the evil
intentions of their fraternity. Since the vast majority never reach the 30th
degree, they would not be aware of the real purpose behind Masonry.

There is a lot of documentation on the RCC / illuminati / FM connection

i will post them here, and if YOU have some document,video or website
please fell free to post them here....

There is only one way to make light on all this and it is by
working all together.......!

Ex-Illuminati Leo Zagami on Jesuits, Zionists & Masons

Achilles13
Thank You.....!

One last post.... for today.......!

here is the video of Leo Zagami again but in a short version

Ex-Illuminati Leo Zagami on Jesuits, Zionists & Masons

a couple more to help light go over the conspiracy agenda....!

One World Religion video

One World Religion Video 2

Vatican One World Gouvernement Clip...

Jesuit Order agenda Clip

Who Controls The World?

STOP being afraid........! IF WE DONT, ALL GET INVOLVED.......!

THERE WILL....BE......A NEW ONE WORLD EMPIRE............!

GET INVOLVED........NOW......!

Achilles13



Albert Pike and Three World Wars

Albert Pike received a vision, which he described in a letter that he wrote
to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for
three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One
World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events
that have already taken place.

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the
Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making
that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused
by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and
Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war,
Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other
governments and in order to weaken the religions."


"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the
differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must
be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the
politicalZionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in
Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must
become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be
then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for
the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the
differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the
political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be
conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and
political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.
Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be
constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and
economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and
we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will
show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of
savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens,
obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of
revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the
multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that
moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without
knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through
the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally
out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general
eactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and
theism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Thank You.....!

reply to post by Achilles 13

everyone’s ego have to be put aside if we want to
make light to conspiracies, only impartial attitude
should be accept. people reacting only to protect
there own religion, or fraternity could not be impartial

So me being a Mason should not be involved in the discussions of conspiracies? .. Kind of odd, seeing that, as a Mason, I have some insight into what Masonry is .. I have been through the rituals, have been in the rituals, have studied the lectures and the material... and yet... YOU know more then ME about Masonry?

How can you see the logic in that? I have nothing to hide about the fraternity, nor any reason to protect it. If it engaged in half the ideas you THINK they do, I certainly would not be a member.

Albert Pike explained in Morals & Dogma how the true nature of
Freemasonry is kept a secret from Masons of lower degrees:

I personally do not like Pike, and I do not like Morals and Dogma.. he also, you should know, does not speak for Masonry, he is but one voice among the many. My word is just as good as his.

Secondly.. the quote you so wrongfully took out of context.. was implying that the meanings of Freemasonry where not understood until one became a Scottish Rite Freemason .... which imo, he was very wrong.

(and yes, I am a 32nd)

The key to understanding Pike, is not to read the words as words, but to comprehend and digest the entire entries and do not take it all as literal .. you cannot take a small quote, and use it as reference.. its out of context, and the meaning is, at any rate to you, lost.

The Illuminati and Albert Pike

May Day is celebrated by many peoples, for many reasons, but to celebrate the Illuminati is not one of them...

Weishaupt's
background as a Jesuit seems to have influenced the actual character of
the society, such that the express aim of this Order became to abolish
Christianity, and overturn all civil government.

The Jesuits are a Catholic order, have been since its conception .. "scholar priest" is essentially what they are....

Tell me, why would some of the most devout Christians want to abolish Christianity? .. Kind of defies logic?

It is for this reason that most Freemasons vehemently deny the evil
intentions of their fraternity. Since the vast majority never reach the 30th
degree, they would not be aware of the real purpose behind Masonry.

No one ever gets to the 30th degree.. It usually goes from 14 to (pick a number in between its different all the time) to 30-31-32 .. but to stop at 30 and leave the Reunion it would have to be an emergency?

There is only one way to make light on all this and it is by
working all together

I will not watch Google video as a reference source.

Albert Pike and Three World Wars

I have seen this same passage written in attribute to many different people, but if Pike made this prediction (which I don't think he did at all) he would be hailed as the most gifted seer in history!

Nostradamus .. he was the first one I read attributed to this post lol...

I personally, have always been a Cyce fan (sp?)

THERE WILL....BE......A NEW ONE WORLD EMPIRE............!

Shoot.. I am not afraid of Masons bringing about a One World Government.. they are mostly Conservatives .. I fear liberals would work to bring that about.

rockpuck........rockpuck.....
my....... good friend........ rockpuck.......!


It is always a pleasure to see you back.....!

Having your participation in this thread is
a real chance for all of us.

Sincerely...., i don’t have anything against
the freemason. i even had the chance to have a lot
of freemason friends, a couple of years ago.

Freemasons are like everyday person, Freemasonry,
a mean the organisations, have a good community
participation, on charity needs, for example the shriners hospital
or The Shrine Circus ( only some little scratch.... whit Greenpeace )

Like you can see, i can see the BAD side AND the GOOD side
of any organisations. There are always many sides and levels
to a global social system and they are never all bad......!

you will probably approve.....when i say, that a conspiracy
theory about a organisation or anything else, is always about the
not so nice sides and levels that are usually kept in the dark or
in secret ,.....like any organisation in the world. It would be gullible
to think other ways....don't you think.......!

you always post back, in a defensive Behavior, your reaction is
always to dismantle my text, pieces by pieces and try to
discredited it or denying it....!

i feel that, my post are Troubling... or even Unsecuring you.

It feels like, you’re feeling personally attack and that you have to rapidly
modify the situation. I am sincerely sorry it it those..., it was honestly,
not my intention my friend.......! And i am really sorry and i hope you
will believe me......if it did.....!

It's sincerely not my goal....., i really appreciate your participation in here
and i hope my friend, that you will bring something, to help us all, put
some light over this conspiracy

I AM PROPOSING YOU......TO CHANGES ROLES......!

You cannot deny... that there were always a negative attitude again
a certain level or side of the freemasonry throw out history.......!
i mean...... everyone knows that since hundreds of years, civilisations
had negatively, question freemasonry....( like also, the Roman Catholic church... )

So......being a freemason, i proposing you to honestly talk to us in a
impartial way about all the negative side of freemasonry during the
last...300 years of freemasonry history and about the templars
between let's....se.....900 A.D. to 1300 A.D. and there related relations....!

BUT PLEASE remember......., for once, forget my text in this
post and just concentrate to this challenge we are proposing you....

talk to us...... . talk to us, about the negative side. All i am asking you
is to be honest and impartial in your historical references.

I am a Roman Catholic Christian.....and i can accuse catholic
and talk about their negative side.......even if i go to church
at Christmas, even if i am married and did so in a Roman Catholic church
i think catholic's values and structures are very good but it those not
stop me from accusing the church of all there bad sides. We... please...are
asking you, to try to do the same whit the freemasonry organisation for
a couple of post in here....!

i believe in a philosophical mind over a spiritual mind.

A human been, suppose to be free and no religion can
respect that. I can found the outside beautiful...... whit out
buying it.....if you can understand what i mean.......!

So we are asking you, the same today.......talk sincerely to us about
all conspiracy theories again freemasonry throughout history whit out
considering yourself like a member of freemasonry ......it will seriously be
a privilege to read you my brother..........! i really hope you will accept............!

we will all........., be very please of your participation on this debate......!

thank you....... rockpock.......!
Achille

reply to post by Achilles 13

i feel that, my post are Troubling... or even Unsecuring you.

Not in the least? .. Its YOUR post which seem....... frazzled.

The way "the dark side works" is that.. there is no dark side? Because the Masonic governing bodies are elected.. once a year.. there is no dictatorship within the Grand Lodge. There is a set system that must be followed. And if you ever go to a Masonic Communication (open legislation) you will quickly learn that every lodge officers have vastly more power then the Grand Master. Its a hot seat for sure.

Then you must know that Ohio is not the same as Washington, not the same as Kentucky, Florida and so on. Each Masonic Grand Lodge is different, subtly sometimes, vastly sometimes.. the North and South Jurisdictions are greatly different at points. Meaning no one outside has control of independent states.. there is no "over lord" to all Grand Lodges.

This is not opinion .... its fact.

It would be like saying "the Pope has an over lord!" ... when the fact is.. he doesn't?

Also, you should know.. I am a Roman Catholic by birth as well. I do not follow Christianity any more, but I was raised Catholic, went to strict Catholic schools, and studied extensively, the Roman Catholic histories.

You cannot deny... that there were always a negative attitude again
a certain level or side of the freemasonry throw out history

Of course I don't? Its why I love this institution.

Why where we hated?

Because among the strict Catholic / Protestant organizations, arose a new social economic institution that (I will reference Ireland, because it is the focal of my history studies) in say, Ireland, allowed Catholics, Protestants, and the new Deist into one organization. This was scandalizing to an extreme.. because Guilds where ONLY for Protestants, and Catholics where not supposed to have the same rights as Protestants. But those who joined Masonry skipped the legal and social issues, and where greatly benefited as if in a normal Guild.

The result is after a while they where hated for their open liberal ideas.. the Church banned them, calling them an Enemy to Christ. Not because of their actions.. but because the Catholics sat with Protestants, and Jews, and Muslims, Deist and so forth.

The Protestants followed likewise.. because they so seldom came up with something unique, the Church did it, so they did it for the same reasons.

However

In the Age of Enlightenment, and the founding of America up until the early 1900's (then again from WWII until about the 80's) Masonry was not only socially excepted, but encouraged.

At one point 1 out of 5 males in America was a Freemason. The rich, the powerful, but also the day workers, the laborers, the tradesmen, it was and is an institution where workers during lodge sat and ate with their boss on an equal level.

Not an over exaggeration. My lodge was FOUNDED on that principle.. that NCR workers and their employers could, on the level, equally, be brothers in one lodge. Which is where we get my lodge's name from. Solar. Not in reference to the sun or Sol or what ever crap a conspiracy theorist may think, but because we meet in the day for second shift workers.

However.. even when 1/5 citizens where Masons there was still hate.

Where did this hate come from?

The ultra conservative Christians.

the templars
between let's....se.....900 A.D. to 1300 A.D. and there related relations

Templar activities have nothing to do with Masonry.. that is pure speculation.. I believe Masonry to be descended from Templar order(s) but not directly by any means.

Also... you should know.. that before I joined Freemasonry.. I was VERY much a Conspiracy theorist.. I believed Masons dominated the world, NWO, Illuminati, blood lines, all that romantic crap.. deeply engrossed in it. However.. instead of speculating and making things up to fit my agenda.. I really looked into Masonry.. if they where conquering the world, they wouldn't do it on my watch! So I investigated... found the complete opposite to which the internet was saying... so I joined.

I am still a conspiracy theorist. I just don't believe Masonry has a part in any of it. Rather, the rich elite scum of this world truly are the dominator's.. but to say they do it through Masonry is a pathetic scape goat.

They do it through Money.

reply to post by Rockpuck


That's a lot better, i am supprised, rockpuck, praticly no bashing......!

Hummmmm..........Now let see........about your replay........!

there is no dark side? Because the Masonic governing bodies are elected..
once a year.. there is no dictatorship within the Grand Lodge. There is a
set system that must be followed.

Well.......our democracy system.....is not base on a ''over lord'' leadership
but on a system only and the question a want all of you to ask your self is

'' In any democratic politic system in the world, was there any historical
evements in witch the system was corrupted and abuses civilisation rights
or made personal profits directly on populations funds ''

Could it ever be possible........do you have any Goverment corrupted evenment in mind......!

Where did this hate come from? The ultra conservative Christians.

Not only........population were always aware of the lobying power
of the freemason, i personaly talk alot with freemasons, i told you
i had a couple of friend freemason and they all told me of the advantage
of being a mason.......$$$$$ conections.....oportunity to have contract,
more buseness oportunitys....it is like a private close business Club....!
nothing democratic about it.......!

I believe Masonry to be descended from Templar order(s) but not directly by any means.

Like i told you once, Freemason are the successors who replace the Templars.

Of course not all mason........but some are use and some are manipulated
(being told that it is for the Fraternity Enlighten goals.... just like a
cult does....but more secretly hiden....) , to be use like Roman Catholic
soldiers......BUT not soldiers whit swords and spears but whit loobying and
economic power to help the Roman Catholic causes......!

Like the Jehova witness or scientologist or realien followers IT IS NOT
EVERY FOLLOWER WHO KNOWS EVERYTHING ABOUT THERE
ORGANISATION.......like it is not every citizen who know everything about
there goverment secret lobying policys.....!

P.S. '' those 3 others religius organisation are exemple only.... they do
not have anything.... to do whit this conspiracy theory debate here ....
before you ask or coment on it......''

Please..... Don't react and behave frustrated.....
Don't forget that i have nothing again the majority of Freemason......!

Here.....! it is a Conspiracy Forum......and that is what we do here,
discusse and debate conspiracys.......!

Achilles13

Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike....!

reply to post by Achilles 13

Well.......our democracy system.....is not base on a ''over lord'' leadership
but on a system only and the question a want all of you to ask your self is

'' In any democratic politic system in the world, was there any historical
evements in witch the system was corrupted and abuses civilisation rights
or made personal profits directly on populations funds ''

An organization is not like a political government of a nation. If America had a system where the president and ALL those in power rotated power every year and never could hold that power again.... there would be practically no corruption.

At least not at the level it is.

Not only........population were always aware of the lobying power
of the freemason, i personaly talk alot with freemasons, i told you
i had a couple of friend freemason and they all told me of the advantage
of being a mason.......$$$$$ conections.....oportunity to have contract,
more buseness oportunitys....it is like a private close business Club....!
nothing democratic about it.......!

At one time this is true, that Masonry was a great place to make connections and so forth. However, if no one attends lodge, no connections are made. There is still some to a degree, btu not as much as it once was. Of course that does not mean it does not exist, it still does, and I personally (you may I dont know) do not consider that "evil". As many make connections with church members, VA members, what have you.. net working is a natural human event.

Also, Lobbying power is true. At one time, back near the turn of the last century (1900's) Masonry had significantly more political clout so to speak, then it currently does.

It lobbied for various reforms, not world domination.

Like i told you once, Freemason are the successors who replace the Templars.

In theory my friend, only theory.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

As you will see, I agree with you 100% .. though not directly decended, I believe Masonry may be an off shoot of handed down ideas of the Templar after landing in Scotland.

to be use like Roman Catholic
soldiers......BUT not soldiers whit swords and spears but whit loobying and
economic power to help the Roman Catholic causes......!

CAtholics and Masons are anything but friends.. probably will remain that way.

The Catholics have an order exactly like the Freemasons.

They are called the Kinghts of Columbus. And ironically, are far more secretive.

Also, Opus Dei are far more powerful for lobbying then Masonry or the Knights.. or the Jesuits. In fact, all together, they are probably more powerful as they exclusivly pander to the higher elite of society.

Please..... Don't react and behave frustrated.....

You had a post above removed for comments like these.

That post rockpuck, was a very pleasant, thank you for more
impartiality in your post. Reading a freemason post, that can point is
finger at is own organisation errors and dark side, looks more like a free
and honest reflection on a conspiracy debated subjet.

the idea of a every year election would definitly be better than a 4 years.
but it would require a free and equal chance for every one and a free
mind to let every participant think by them self whitout any cult system
to inflence them.

like all religions, freemasonry have some very good ideas, this is not the
point, it is in the free mind possibility that i have a problem. freemason
indoctrinate there members to act and think whit the freemason code of
honors. Just like any religion or cult

AND PLEASE.........DON'T....tell me that freemasonery is not a religion
we are in 2008 and whit all documentation avaiblable, we all know that
it is......The God of Freemasonery is the Great Architect, you have strict
codes to fallow, you have to pay to go up on spiritual levels...
you have Rituals......freemason meet in a temple etc.......it is far
away from being only a charity fraternity club......but it sound better if
the front image is not a religious one.....and that is the problem

To you all....., take a look at those links and decide for your self....
if Freemasonry is or not a ** RELIGION or a CULT......! **

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What Goes on Behind Closed Doors?

Freemasons: The silent destroyers:
deist religious cult based on the Knights Templar

In Morals and Dogma, Pike wrote:

" Masonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and
Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or
the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its
symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be misled........

THE LIGHTBRINGERS

Masonic Rituals recorded and exposed by a Brother in Turkey

Signs and Signals of Freemasonry

York Rite Freemasonry

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But rockpuck is right.......Catholic fraternity and cult are not better, even
worse, like jesuit, Opus Dei etc

There is nothing evil about freemasonry, more then any powerfull
organisation who want to conquer a market, Humain been always wanted
power. Today we call it marketing and business. The Capitalist system is
the new way to conquer land....

We talked a lot about Freemasonry BUT we put aside the real goal of
this thread and it is the Roman Cathlic Church and the New World Order to
come.....if you want more freemasonry informations you can go to this
website freemason watch

we apriciate your participation rockpuck....

but i want to have more opinions......on the global conspiracy...
freemasonry is only a part of the conspiracy, what about the power of the
Roman Catholic Empire....! and it's influence on world and the control
they could have on the global market and powerfull organisations.......!

i am leaving for a 2 weeks vacation in Venezuela (Margarita island) Saturday
and i will not post on ATS Forum during my vacation......!

Don't just behave like spectators....., get involved......
and tell us what you think and what you know.......!

Thanks..!
Achilles13

Well........ Vacation for me, in Margarita Island soon.......!

so i will not reply for the next 2 weeks...I hope my
thread, helped, put light on the NWO conspiracy theory....!

Could the Catholic ROMAN EMPIRE.........!
Be the headquarter of the ILLUMINATI....!

Relax......and be cool.......!

hola mis amiga.....!

*** Achilles 13 ***




Rome and the Vatican

Secrets of the Vatican
The Vaticans Banker
Secret Files of the Inquisition 1
Secret Files of the Inquisition - The Tears Of Spain
Catholic Inquisition and The Torture Tools
Secret Files of the Inquisition
The Vatican and The Third Reich
The story of the Vatican


The Illuminati

The Illuminati - Our Secret Masters

New World Order

New World Order Speech..!
Exp osing the New World Order
The Hidden Agenda for World Government
Alex Jones & Aaron Russo

The Skull and Bones

Skull & Bones: George Bush
Skull & Bones: John Kerry
The Poor Fellow Soldiers of Jesus Christ

The Bohamian Grove

1981 News report about Bohemian grove
Alex Jones asks David Gergen about Bohemian Grove Rituals
Bohemian Grove ritual