Forbidden Egyptology

Stick with "everything in science is in a state of flux". That is the reality, who knows what the next spade full of sand will contain.

Oh trivia point, the nutty doctor was an Egyptian by the way, and number was called a "farid".

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Thats only a conspiracy-theory I entertain sometimes, being on a conspiracy-site and all. In no way is that my main claim. My main claim is that there are more unknowns to egyplogy than the mainstream thinks.

I believe that the only reason you are aware of this is because of these folks you call "the mainstream."

It's been my experience that it is the general public that is mostly unaware of the large number of unknowns built into sciences like Archaeology. The "mainstream" Egyptologists are only too aware of this fact.

Harte

Originally posted by Hanslune

My comment

so in the C & T you take one early report and then absolutely refuse to look at any information after that report, information that explains it.

Spacevisitors response

That is your opinion.

It would appear that is fact and not an opinion. You flat out refuse to look at the full range of information on a subject. To bad you appear to have a good mind. I do hate to see people shut down learning to protect their cherished beliefs.

So be it.

If you want to quote an answer from me to a question made by yourself HansLune, for some remark or some sort of explanation to someone else, be so kind next time to use the quote of your complete question then, and not twist it in a way by only post a part of it.

Because you’re full question was,

Originally posted by Hanslune
so in the C & T you take one early report and then absolutely refuse to look at any information after that report, information that explains it. Sorry dudes, that is pure closedmindness, holding to that stand moves you towards crankdom.

And my answer was indeed “That is your opinion.”, but that answer was my response to your remark in yellow and nothing else.
I thought that was quite obvious.


[edit on 5/5/08 by spacevisitor]

Howdy Harte and Sky

Yep Science as a whole, well heck most everything humans deal with are disorderly - ego has a great effect on how ideas are transmitted. However in almost all cases the facts win out.

Oh a fun mental experiment to do. Most fringe questions about Egyptogy are based on pooh poohing what evidence there is. it is interesting to do the following:

Go to a world where there is no mainstream Egyptology and tell who, what and how the pyramids were built in their own words but NOT by attacking mainstream concepts.

Its interesting what you get. Fringe thought is similar to Creationism, its existence is based on challenging the mainstream concept. It has few if any legs of its own.

i'll let you know if i come to any conclusions

Originally posted by Hanslune
Its interesting what you get. Fringe thought is similar to Creationism, its existence is based on challenging the mainstream concept. It has few if any legs of its own.

This is pure wisdom.

In the course of this thread somewhere along the way, I half-consciously noticed falling into the same headspace.

Promoting fringe-science, like I enjoy doing, is indeed much more readible and perhaps powerful if it is not done at the expense or insult of others.

I still read a lot of Hancock & Co. but I tire of the constant necessity of attacking egyptologists and archaeologists on every page of the book.

Having to resort to lowering others reveals ones own weaknesses of argument.

So...yes...absolutely, yes. Dont beat em with insults, beat em with facts.

Originally posted by Harte

It's been my experience that it is the general public that is mostly unaware of the large number of unknowns built into sciences like Archaeology. The "mainstream" Egyptologists are only too aware of this fact.

Good point. The main stream is much more the general, disinterested public.

Most fields of knowledge look easy untill you delve into them. Then they get immensively complicated. The more I read about history, archaeology and the associated sciences the more I realize how much more I need to learn.

One thing I would suggest to all those interested in anytype of archaeology is to try and go the actual locations. Being there makes it a lot clearer.

Originally posted by Hanslune
Most fields of knowledge look easy untill you delve into them. Then they get immensively complicated. The more I read about history, archaeology and the associated sciences the more I realize how much more I need to learn.

One thing I would suggest to all those interested in anytype of archaeology is to try and go the actual locations. Being there makes it a lot clearer.

Youve said this before. I have been to the locations though, and so have others who believe in things like extraterrestrials and such.

Where have you been to Sky?

Originally posted by Hanslune
Where have you been to Sky?

In Egypt Ive been at four different locations of the Sinai Desert. Ive been to Giza 3 times, Luxor once, Abydos once. Ive also been to Hurgada and Sharm El Sheik...but not for ancient egypt, just for diving.

Was that one trip or multiple? Did you get to the rest of the ME?

I really envy people who have been able to make such wonderful trips.
I assume that to see those sites on the spot must be really amazing and breathtaking.
Sometimes I try to imagine myself the feeling I would have when I enter the entrance of the Great Pyramid, walk thru the corridors to the “First burial chamber” the “Queens chamber” and then thru that magnificent “Grant gallery” to the “Kings chamber”, place myself for that tomb and close my eyes for a moment to listen only and realise the immense grandeur of that huge stone beautiful monument.
So far it is only a dream.

Originally posted by Hanslune
Was that one trip or multiple?

Multiple. Yes, fringe researchers dont only sit at their computer.

Originally posted by spacevisitor
I really envy people who have been able to make such wonderful trips.
I assume that to see those sites on the spot must be really amazing and breathtaking.

You live in Holland. You can be there in 4 hours and 200 Bucks for the flight. Dont overestimate what it takes.

Originally posted by Hanslune
Did you get to the rest of the ME?

Other than Israel, no.

To bad, Jordon, Syria and Lebanon are well worth the trip. Oddly I've been to most every country in the ME but not Israel.

Originally posted by Hanslune
To bad, Jordon, Syria and Lebanon are well worth the trip. Oddly I've been to most every country in the ME but not Israel.

Its hard to enter those countries with israel-stamps in your passport...and vice- versa.

That was one of the reason althou there are ways to by pass that.

Giza Tunnels

I would like to submit you further details concerning Giza Tunnels.

As known by anyone visited Egypt, it is possible sometimes to visit forbidden areas when you give some dollars to guides. Those guys are ready to supply you any kind of information (even Zahi Havass' private life) and to bring you anywhere you want. (pay attention when you are alone!)

During one of my visits to Egypt (in 1996 I think) I was guided by a local guide (although I hate to be disturbed by the guides around) and he said he would show something special if I gave him $20. We went to a special area near to the Pyramids but at the bottom of the plateau where the Pyramids are situated.

We entered through a hole by paying $5 to the guard there (you may see the pic in www.hermetics.org) and I was extremely surprised to see a lot of
gates openening to endless tunnels. I saw also many statues as you may see on the pictures. (It is strictly forbidden to take pictures but you may take some if you pay to the guard, as I did)

It seems to me that thse tunnels are very old but also used in later times as I saw some sacrophages which seem to be from very late periods.

I've been in Egypt several times but this was the first and the last time I saw those tunnels, as it was forbidden to go there.

I do not know if we are talking of the same tunnel system or not but I'm sure that those tunnels must have some explanation. But as you know , it is impossible to understand what's going on in Mr. Zawi Hawass mind. (If you remember his extraordinary discovery in March 2000, the Osiris's tomb. In fact it was a part of the initiation hall. But he only discovered (!) one
part.)

I'm ready to supply you further information , if you want

Anybody know why the pictures dissappeared and where I might find them?