Forbidden Egyptology

reply to post by PhotonEffect


The statement was reportedly made in 1997. He is referring to cuneiform tablets in general, not focussed on a specific region.

reply to post by Skyfloating


I agree. Once an individual's eyes and ears are open to the truth, with denial and personal prejudice set aside, contextual correlations can be made and the big picture begins to emerge. This is just the starting point, a new birth of consciousness. The important aspect is what happens next. What we do with this new found knowledge, how we share it, where it leads us.

We must emerge from the darkness and put on the armor of light.

reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers


Thank you for posting these facts that show that the belief in the pyramids having been built by dynastic egyptians to be a mere theory.

Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
Just thought I'd add to the discussion with an extract from a book I read recently about th origins of the 'Great Pyramid' and in no other words than Khufu himself, the 'builder' of the pyramid.

TRANSLATED 'EXCERPT'

"Live Horus Mezdau;
(To) King (of) Egypt, Khufu, is given life!!
He founded the house of Isis
Mistress of the pyramid,
Beside the house of the sphinx"

This is off the 'Inventory Stela' which now resides in the Cairo museum, and clearly states that the Pyramids and the sphinx currently stood when Khufu reigned. Its the perspective you have chosen that dictates your beliefs, so I know people will have varying views on this, so I'm not going to mention the author at the moment, but I'm sure most people on ATS will know the answer anyway.

On the contrary, the above sampling from the inventory stela clearly states that Khufu "founded" the Great Pyramid.

This stela, BTW, was written over a thousand years after Khufu died and after the Egyptians themselves had forgotten exactly how their forefathers had built the thing.

Harte

reply to post by Harte


Would you therefore say that Khufu took credit for something he didnt do?

reply to post by Skyfloating


I think you misunderstood me. You see, the structures of Karnak and Luxor have been picked apart and examined, so we know how they were built, simply by taking them apart to see. We learned this ourselves, via trial and error.

The pyramids have not been taken apart in this manner, and I for one, hope they never will be. If they were I can promise you what we would find is a typical step pyramid design, with the "steps" filled in by ramping and face stones. Why? Because it makes the most sense.

However, we do not have the actual plans and descriptions from the Egyptians themselves on how the sites you cited were built. No floor plans, no measurements, no techniques. Everything we know has been gained through study of the structures themselves, not firsthand descriptions of the methods.

And again, this is because the builders would have had to carry this information with them. There's also the reality that the pyramids were used as tombs - the plans would have likely been purposefully destroyed after construction in an effort to prevent robbery.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Alright. So there are no reports on the building of other structures either. Interesting.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Not especially. I'm sitting here, telling you why!

When someone digs up your neighborhood five thousand years from now, do you expect they'll also find full documentation of how, when, why the houses were built, by whom and for what? Of course not.

Maybe they'll think you were too stupid to have poured concrete and so clearly aliens did it for you!

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reply to post by TheWalkingFox


I understand the humor and can also relate to your scoffing at the ET-Giza Connection.

Fortunately I have shown how the current #1 authority on ancient egypt, Hawass, calls ET-Believers his friends.

Not that any of you scoffers have adressed the opening post.

reply to post by Harte


On the contrary, the context of the extract is from the point of view of Horus, the creator of Khufu, Giza pyramid (at least) and the sphinx. I say again, its a matter of perspective, thats why I tried to add some additional info, this only lends credence to the case at hand, and I don't believe the story about the 'inventory stela' being over a thousand years, this was circumstantial evidence, that I believe was fabricated at the time to prevent certain details coming to light, such as the pyramids being over 10,000 years old, at least.


"Live Horus Mezdau;
(To) King (of) Egypt, Khufu, is given life!!
He founded the house of Isis
Mistress of the pyramid,
Beside the house of the sphinx"

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


I'm sorry, but I highly doubt the 3 pyramids at Giza were built in this crude way, from all the 'flooding' and the general age of the monuments, it is absurd to suggest a piece of the limestone woudlnt have broken off or eroded away to reveal (in earlier cases) mud bricks that were the bulk of the so called 'original' pyramids, and even some dated after the Giza pyramids. If they had perfected the technique on the Giza pyramids, why spend the next couple of centuries using dated design? why not use the tried and approved method they supposedly used? because they were merely emulating the original standing pyramids. This took them a while to perfect, BUT IN THE END they did do this, including the 53 degree, but they still didn't know about the ascending passage, which has yet to be discovered in any other pyramid except the Giza pyramid.

thanks. EMM

reply to post by Skyfloating


I came across this while searching for more information on the Watchmen and thought it may be of interest to you....I don't know whether it is relevant so I thought I'd let you decide.

www.cheops.org...

I forgot to add that they have been prevented from any further investigations.





[edit on 7-2-2008 by KilgoreTrout]

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
When someone digs up your neighborhood five thousand years from now, do you expect they'll also find full documentation of how, when, why the houses were built, by whom and for what? Of course not.

Not a fair analogy.

You're comparing a house with an ancient wonder (and relic) of the world. Might as well compare a raisin to a watermelon.

Who really cares about how a house was constructed anyway? Now a huge Pyramid(s)....I'm all ears.

One might've taken pride in having created such an impressive structure such as the Great Pyramid; enough to leave some sort of writing or carving as to how it was done. An undertaking such as this would've left a record of it somewhere, right? Yet none exists that we know of. That's curious.

It boggles my mind when I think about how in the hell these structures were created using only simple tools, some wooden sledges, and some boats (that we know of). And the real kicker- they did it all with out the knowledge of the wheel.

They we able to construct these enormous stone structures which clearly would've required a keen knowledge in engineering, architecture, logistics, astronomy, etc etc..... yet they couldn't engineer a wheel to make it easier?

I'm with those who theorize that the Pyramids were found by the Ancient Egyptians who then claimed that these structures were theirs. It's not entirely improbable that they found them, settled the surrounding land, and spent many hundreds of years restoring and fixing them.

And the story told to Herodotus was a fabrication IMO, by a people wanting to take credit for something so amazing that no-one would ever deny the power and prestige of the rulers who supposedly built them. Not to mention that it was told to him a couple thousand years after the Pyramids were supposedly built.

It is my belief that modern day Egypt will do what it has to in order to keep the history of the Pyramids as status quo. If I was them, I'd want to take credit for them too.

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reply to post by KilgoreTrout


Yes, Im familiar with Gantenbrink. He´s another victim of Hawass need to cover everything up that doesnt fit the mainstream.

Back then when the Robot going up one of the shafts aired on Television they said it was "Live". It later turned out that they were lying and it was in fact not live.

I am interested in Egyptology and thank you for the info.

I had a meditation ages ago and it was amazing and thus got me looking for information.

Very briefly, I was walking in Egypt with some other people. There were many many people living there. I walked into a structure and then out again and all the people were gone. ?

I saw myself walking through these empty streets. It was as if they decided to leave and went. I was like OMG where is everyone?

I do feel, from that the ancients left us to it. War was on the horizon. Funny thing to say, but that I feel is the reason they left.

The pyramids are graveyards. I think that is nothing extraordinary due to the tombs found therein. But... I also feel now they represent certain epochs that are now long gone. They also contain hidden knowledge of where humans are at...at the moment. The structure of the pyramids, in the ascention of various rooms from the tomb to the top holds messages for all. If we were to consider that we are actually in THE pyramid living but dead, perhaps some might work their way up to the top?

The Sphinx is I believe simply a monument that depicted a golden age of man/freedom. That I also feel is the LION OF JUDAH. That is what was lost, the Golden Age, so it is there to REMIND us of the loss of countenance.

Either way, very interesting thread. These are my thoughts only so make of it what you will.

cheers

everywhere in this thread i see ignorance.
I see Very few people who are walking the right path, most of you are taking the hard road, you are walking in the ditch.

To find the TRUTH you must include ALL TRUTHS. there is no 1 Truth.
you also Must not do what mainstream science/archeology does, and that is ASSUME. NEVER assume ANYTHING. if it does not stand to scrutiny, it does not stand.
With that, i start here:
From the "time of gods" we have this:
Multiple Technilogically Advanced society's (past the technolagy of today)
Writings of creation.
Wonders Which we can not create with the technolagy we have today.
(Tiahuanaco, Pumapunku, Giza Pyramids,Island in india, "Bridge" from india to sri-lanka, Ect,Ect.)

Tracking back to the "time of the gods" we find 3 major....lets call them...area's of "social importance"(due to the fact we dont know if they were countries, contanents, or...). these areas of social importance are india, south america, and Egypt/larger spans of africa.

India:Massive Amounts of writings depicting human manipulation by E.T. also detailed reports on the creation process's used and materials needed
~*most "vehicle" and "weaponry" writings are being translated by hindu scholars*~

South America: Tiahuanaco, kalasasaya Temple, Nazka lines, the whole machu picchu area.

tiahuanaco well....you can belive main stream science on this....or you can belive the evidence i present to you now (you're own calculations are very welcome):
If viewed from the earth, the planets of our solar system travel across the sky in a line called the plane of the ecliptic. At present our earth is tilted to cause this angle to be around 23 degrees and 27 minutes, but this is not constant. The earth's axis oscillates slowly between 22 degrees and 1 minute to an extreme of 24 degrees and 5 minutes. This cycle (repeating itself from one extreme to the other and back) takes roughly 41,000 years to complete. The alignments at the Kalasasaya temple depicts a tilt of the earth's axis amounting to 23 degrees, 8 minutes, 48 seconds, indicating a date of 15,000 B.C.
When reading ancient hyroglyphs and speaking of "the suns past" (1'st-4'th era of the sun) the maya "daykeepers" talk of the watchers, and i do belive the watchers/watchtower are being covered.....

Last but DEFINATLY not least, the sumerians, Babylonians,and later the egyptions: from these we get the LARGEST "myth" of creation,later to be lengthened and prophasised as the Christian book of genesis.
Sumerian Creation:
In the first days when everything needed was brought into being,
In the first days when everything needed was properly nourished,
When bread was baked in the shrines of the land,
And bread was tasted in the homes of the land,
When heaven had moved away from the earth,
And earth had separated from heaven,
And the name of man was fixed;
When the Sky God, An, had carried off the heavens,
And the Air God, Enlil, had carried off the earth . . .

Ok...lets look at the word for "bread" in their culture...is it a coincidence that the symbol for "bread" is the symbol for "life" and also the same symbol as mfktz?
i have recently done a session of deep meditation dwelling on the quantum properties of mfktz....and it seems it is an element from the 4'th dimension.
let me explain, if I, a third dimentional object, was to move into the 2'nd dimension I would break every physical law of the universe, yet if i was to move into the 4'th (in my present form) i would be destroyed as no 2'nd dimentional object can exist in the 3'rd or 3'rd in 4'th and so on.(Time is not a demension ~*wavelengths have effects on other wavelengths*~ the wavelength of gravity>wavelength of time.....its called a neutron star)

*~Continued~*

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*~Continued~*

Even mainstream science accepts a fact as abstract as the one that we all come from the same female in the Africa.(eve?(clones?))
As far as we/they can tell that was roughly 100,000 years ago.

1 era of the sun=26,000 years. we have recently moved out of the 4'th era of the sun. 26,000x4=104,000 Years Ago.
The first era of the sun was knowen to the daykeepers as "The Time Of The Gods".

Edit:26,000 years is the time it takes to cycle the ecliptic plane.
41,000 years is the amount of time it takes to switch from \ Axis To / Axis

Right Now i need to rest my mind.
i will be back with more connections/information tomorow.


[edit on 8-2-2008 by Infadel]

reply to post by Thurisaz


Intuition has led me to more evidence of things than schooling and "the scientific method" ever could. Id therefore ascribe your intuitive tale more substance than I would other things.

The alien culture of ancient egypt

When you wander around ancient egypt as a tourist, you hardly see a culture that hardly has anything in common with ours. The pictures, glyphs and structures look alien in the original sense of the word: Unrelated, Unexplained, Mysterious.

Why are those two people with heads of jackals or dogheads holding a red ball over their head?

What aggravates me the most is the arrogance with which modern "experts" try to "explain" these oddities...not noticing that their explanations often sound more bizzare than that of the "alternative egyptologists".

Some will have to face the fact that there are still plenty of mysteries and that our curiosity cannot be suppressed or stifled.

Do these look human to you?















[edit on 9-2-2008 by Skyfloating]

Or how about this one. Any similarity with what we look like? I dont think so.