Iraq conflict has killed a MILLION people: Study

Originally posted by BlueRaja
If you consider the UN and World Health Organization estimates credible, then their figures are in the 100-250k range. Documented fatalities are under 100k.

How many did Saddam hang for again? A couple hundred?

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by Conspiriology

 

If you consider the UN and World Health Organization estimates credible, then their figures are in the 100-250k range. Documented fatalities are under 100k.

The poll from 93 - present?

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by BlueRaja
If you consider the UN and World Health Organization estimates credible, then their figures are in the 100-250k range. Documented fatalities are under 100k.

How many did Saddam hang for again? A couple hundred?

You might want to add a few more zeros.


users.erols.com...

Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979-2003): 300 000
Human Rights Watch: "twenty-five years of Ba`th Party rule ... murdered or 'disappeared' some quarter of a million Iraqis" [www.hrw.org...]
8/9 Dec. 2003 AP: Total murders
New survey estimates 61,000 residents of Baghdad executed by Saddam.
US Government estimates a total of 300,000 murders
180,000 Kurds k. in Anfal
60,000 Shiites in 1991
50,000 misc. others executed
"Human rights officials" est.: 500,000
Iraqi politicians: over a million

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I ment what he was convicted for. Not what some US government agent has attributed to him.

Saddam Hussein and two co-defendants have been found guilty of murder and crimes against humanity, and sentenced to death by hanging over the 1982 killings of 148 people in the Iraqi town of Dujail.

abcnews.go.com...


[edit on 1/30/2008 by Griff]

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by BlueRaja
If you consider the UN and World Health Organization estimates credible, then their figures are in the 100-250k range. Documented fatalities are under 100k.

How many did Saddam hang for again? A couple hundred?

Yeah and lets NOT forget who helped and supported Saddam in the first place. Lets not forget who it was that SOLD him the Chemical weapons that he used to kill the khurds while our CIA took notes of the effects.

Lets not forget Haliburton getting busted for selling Nuclear Technology to Iran but how pissed we get when they buy it from Russia.

Originally posted by Conspiriology

Originally posted by centurion1211


That is if you actually swallowed whole the "results" of this so-called "poll", that can hardly be called "scientific". No the real truth is that you can easily find "data" to go along with any prejudicial opinion you might have.

You are more then welcome to debunk the "poll"

You like to set any protocols for this debate, ie: what you consider credible sources of information on the number of dead on account of our invasion?

No the real truth is that you can easily find "data" to go along with any prejudicial opinion you might have.

If I thought that your life's savings amounted to more than the $42.50 that you have in your checking account, I would gladly bring this wager out of virtual reality and into the real world. How many of my experts'/military sworn testimonies concerning my "opininion" would you deem necessary to convince you of this truth? 5? 20? 100?




- Con


[edit on 30-1-2008 by Conspiriology]

Let me try a simpler approach for you.

If anyone was against the war and wanted to drum up support for their position, what else would they do, but produce articles, studies and polls showing results favorable to their point of view and then trumpet them all over the media and internet as if they were actual facts.

Come on, these are the exact same tactics many have accused the U.S. administration of employing. What makes you (naively?) believe that their opposition wouldn't employ the exact same tactics?

That's my exact point. Don't just blindly accept information because you like what it says, or it fits your views. I believe that's what is meant by "Deny Ignorance".

[edit on 1/30/2008 by centurion1211]

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Which source would the government agent be- Human Rights Watch?

Originally posted by centurion1211
That's my exact point. Don't just blindly accept information because you like what it says, or it fits your views. I believe that's what is meant by "Deny Ignorance".

But, you are a true believer of WMD. Talk about accepting crap fed to you.

Originally posted by BlueRaja
users.erols.com...

Nice current source.

Last Updated: 25 March 2003

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I guess every government, intel agency, etc.. were full of it too, prior to US forces entering Iraq, including many who are outspoken against the war.

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Psssst, what year did the US enter Iraq? So.........Saddam's killing would've occurred earlier than that right.

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Basically...yes. Don't go to war with unverified "intellegence"...trumped up "intellegence"...etc.

Makes you look like a fool when you are wrong.

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All intel has potential for error, and many times the only way to verify is in person. As I said, all the major governments and intel agencies believed it to be accurate, as did many outspoken critics of the war.

The warmonngers on this site are vile pathetic liars spreading disinfo,we raped Iraq for its oil and ripped apart its history on the back of the draft dodging, boozing, drug taking god talking lunatic and his fanatical bible reading friend across the pond who is now making obscene amounts of money with companies linked to Iraqs main bank

A million dead and we do nothing!its digusting our goverments have allowed this to carry on.

If Iran is next on the line with a 1st strike by Bush or gods(yeahh right)people who kill Palestinians as they see them as animals-then I hope that the population of the world are given a choice in what side they want to fight for in the next world war!No one i know here would support the bully boy that is Amercia at the present time,and if we had out way we would crossing the pond to show you boys freedom,bomb your houses,decimate your economy and of course lie through our teeth at the death rates claiming most were terrorists

[edit on 30-1-2008 by noangels]

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by centurion1211
That's my exact point. Don't just blindly accept information because you like what it says, or it fits your views. I believe that's what is meant by "Deny Ignorance".

But, you are a true believer of WMD. Talk about accepting crap fed to you.

What does this mean? That I believe there are such things as weapons of mass destruction? Of course they exist in the arsenals of many countries.

Do I believe in their use? Only as an ultimate last resort.

That iraq had wmd's? Have to admit that along with most people, I thought they had them leading up to the war. There was an article out recently that saddam bluffed having them to try and keep from being attacked by his neighbors. Guess that didn't really work out for saddam in the long run.

But it does show how even saddam was spinning this issue for his own purposes. Just like the OP attempted to do by capitalizing the word "MILLION" in the title of this thread.

I rest my case ...

[edit on 1/30/2008 by centurion1211]

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by Griff

 

All intel has potential for error, and many times the only way to verify is in person. As I said, all the major governments and intel agencies believed it to be accurate, as did many outspoken critics of the war.

Nobody believed it except brainwashed americans.

Are you trying to disinform us or do you really believe the stupid things you write ?


[edit on 30-1-2008 by ergoli]

Originally posted by BlueRaja

Iraq, Saddam Hussein (1979-2003): 300 000
Human Rights Watch: "twenty-five years of Ba`th Party rule ... murdered or 'disappeared' some quarter of a million Iraqis" [www.hrw.org...]
8/9 Dec. 2003 AP: Total murders
New survey estimates 61,000 residents of Baghdad executed by Saddam.
US Government estimates a total of 300,000 murders
180,000 Kurds k. in Anfal
60,000 Shiites in 1991
50,000 misc. others executed
"Human rights officials" est.: 500,000
Iraqi politicians: over a million

one thing Americans don't talk about: the lives of Iraqis, or, rather, the deaths of Iraqis.

Your own article says it all pal

When the Iraqi government was using chemical weapons against Iranian troops in the 1980s, the Reagan administration was giving it intelligence information. After the Anfal genocide against Iraqi Kurds in 1988, the Reagan and first Bush administrations gave Baghdad billions of dollars in commodity credits and import loan guarantees. The Iraqi government’s ruthless suppression of the 1991 uprising was facilitated by the first Bush administration’s agreement to Iraq’s use of helicopters – permission made all the more callous because then-President Bush had encouraged the uprising in the first place.

War has wiped out about 655,000 Iraqis or more than 500 people a day since the U.S.-led invasion, Violence including gunfire and bombs caused the majority of deaths but thousands of people died from worsening health and environmental conditions directly related to the conflict that began in 2003, U.S. and Iraqi public health researchers said.

it was Bush's destruction of the secular Iraqi state that unleashed the sectarian strife.

Moreover, American troops in Iraq have killed more civilians than insurgents. The US military in Iraq has fallen for every bit of disinformation fed to it by Al Qaeda personnel posing as "informants" and by Sunnis setting up Shi'ites and Shi'ites setting up Sunnis. As a result, American bombs and missiles have blown up weddings, funerals, kids playing soccer, and people shopping in bazaars and sleeping in their homes.

- Con

Originally posted by ergoli

Originally posted by BlueRaja
reply to post by Griff

 

All intel has potential for error, and many times the only way to verify is in person. As I said, all the major governments and intel agencies believed it to be accurate, as did many outspoken critics of the war.

Nobody believed it except brainwashed americans.

Are you trying to disinform us or do you really believe the stupid things you write ?


[edit on 30-1-2008 by ergoli]

Your country please. I noticed that you don't list a location. Why is that? Ashamed?

We may need to start a thread to discuss any and all of the errors in judgement and other mistakes made by your current and past governments.

[edit on 1/30/2008 by centurion1211]

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No one said Saddam was a good guy. He was a tyrant and like the rest of them a very evil man.

That does not justify our actions today. No matter what.

If we want to pretend like we're doing the Iraqis a favor here, why don't we leave and let the people of Iraq decide which direction their country is going?

Bushie keeps coming up with new excuses as to why we should be there.

First it was the WMDs, then it was freeing the people of Iraq from Saddam, then it was this and that and this and that...

When it comes down to a few factors: We want Iraq's oil. Cheney wanted to build a pipeline through Afghanistan and the only way to do so was invade both countries.

These people are criminals (our 'fearless leaders') and yet people still seem to be able to defend them without a second thought.

What purpose does murdering innocent civilians serve in your little 'world peace' scheme?

How do they fit in?

Does bombing Iraqi cities give you pleasure? Do you get off from their suffering?

Why are we still there then? Do you honestly give a # about the Iraqi people? I don't think you do nor anyone else saying we should 'Stay the Course.'

If you really cared about people, our own soldiers included, you would want them away from unnecessary conflict as much as possible.

However, it seems you do in fact love to see death on a daily basis.

Good for you.

I won't trade humanity for patriotism my friend, but I guess you've already sold on that idea.

Originally posted by noangels
The warmonngers on this site are vile pathetic liars spreading disinfo..

Well, I'm not lying when I post stuff here. I tell it like I saw it when I was in theater, not from what I might have read from some website.

Originally posted by noangels and if we had out way we would crossing the pond to show you boys freedom,bomb your houses,decimate your economy and of course lie through our teeth at the death rates claiming most were terrorists

All this moral outrage over the dead in Iraq, but you're willing to come over here and bomb and kill. I guess according to you, two wrongs might make a right. What a charming human being you are.