Guns, Why do many countries not trust there citizens with them?

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


I can't even begin to fathom the thought that and armed populace would salivate at the thought of killing another. Surely you have seen to much television and are unfamiliar with the true gun culture. As to whether an armed populace defend against a large well maintained and better equipped army. Why don't you ask the military about Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, the U.S.A and many others where a small group overcame vastly superior forces. The reality is that our government cannot stop the populace with military action.

respectfully

reluctantpawn

One of the largest gun shows in the midwest is held in a nearby city twice a year. NEARLY EVERYONE walks around armed with a gun and/or knife. In all the years that I have been there, there haven't been any fights, no disturbances, nothing. There, you have 2,000-3,000 regular people with guns and ammo, rifles, shotguns, pistols, knives, swords, battle-axes (yes, battle-axes). It's amazing how polite people are when they know the guy in front of them could (could mind you, not "will") pull out a gun and blow you away if you give him too much gruff.

Oh, and the best part? The police recognize this is a very calm, mellow crowd. There are about 5 police officers at this event. Can you imagine any OTHER type of crowd that would only garner 5 police officers for 3,000 people?

reply to post by sir_chancealot


Why do shootings always happen in "Gun-Free Zones" like schools?

For the same reason they don't happen at gun shows or firing ranges.

Originally posted by northwolf
reply to post by Bluess

 

You're correct, but is the Danish army professional nowadays?

I think they are pretty well educated and professional yes? the "basic recruit/privat education time" is about 9-11 months i believe. And it seems the people continuing a military life, educate/train themselfs alot further.

Because the only need for the "Well armed militia" Americans talk about is a professional army loyal to an opressive government.

I dont know what exactly you mean by this? Ofcourse the Army has to follow the decisions made by the government if thats what you mean? However... In the Danish case, I strongly apose our involvement in the Iraq/afghanistan affairs.
And the army is in most danish peoples mind, there to protect the danish people, not there to support elligal wars!

This problem can never arise with a fully conscript army as the amount of "paycheck" loyal officers is always too small to subdue the population.

What problem are you talking about here?

The problem of opressive government that americans so love to fear... It cannot happen in a country with Conscript army.

By professional i meant that does every danish man still do their time in the army or do you have an american style volunteer/hired army?

Denmark military [from CIA World Fact Book 2007]

Military service age and obligation:
18 years of age for compulsory and voluntary military service; conscripts serve an initial training period that varies from 4 to 12 months according to specialization; reservists are assigned to mobilization units following completion of their conscript service; women eligible to volunteer for military service (2004)

So, it's not professional army.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
The irony is that that permanent state of fear is why most people in the United states own guns.

Really? I own many guns and I feel very comfortable, safe, and calm, never experienced this fear you speak of.

The exact, and precise reason. You've been trained to see your fellow citizen as an enemy.

At what level of education is this course taught, I'm 22 and out of school I've yet to take this course, can you direct me to where its taught so I can get an alternative perspective?

It's why you're still allowed guns, becuase hte people in charge know that you would much rather turn them on each other than on the government.

Incorrect we aren't Allowed to own guns, Government has no right to dictate to us rather or not we can defend our lives and rather or not we can own the tools necsessary to not only protect our lives but to survive.

Our governments purpose was never to dictate rights, its purpose is to protect rights, thats it.

This is easily proven by the current situation in the United States, where the president and his cronies are stripping the bill of rights down to the second and tenth amendment, and what are Americans doing? A general rule of thumb is that the more guns a given American has, the happier he is to see the rest of his rights stripped away - it pisses off those damned librulz, so it MUST be a good thing.

No country is immune to tyranny, the great thing about a truly, at least at one point in time, Free society is that Government protects the rights of its people, one of those rights being the right to protect ones own life, and because of that right we have something most countries do not when everything else has been taken, a plan B.

Meanwhile these same people talk about how easily they could blow away some knucklehead who tries to take their television, and how happy and proud they would be to do so.

Rights are derived from property one owns his life and the products of his work, one has a right to defend that property rather you agree with that or not is your own personal opinion.

Very well-trained. Why ban guns when you can just convince gun owners to salivate at the thought of killing another person?

If that were true our we would be in civil war.

Once you get the pavlovian response, how hard can it be to, say, point them at someone the government thinks needs to be dealt with?

I can agree with this on multiple levels, but killing another person is not one of them, society has been dumbed down to accept blindly that which is put before them and unfortunately they will give up what they are told without question.
There are however many who still question and yes im sure we will be dealt with when that time comes.

But not to worry. If this situation ever changed, it wouldn't matter much. The US military can easily obliterate any civilian uprising no matter how well-armed those citizens think they are. You think that the people i nthe military won't sit for that?
Unfortunately since the rise of the all-volunteer force and the inception of unquestioned mercenary outsources, the United States military has mutated from a force to defend freedom into a force to defend the GOP and their corporate buddies. They'll squish us, and they'll do it happily if the need arises. After all, if the military men haven't put their foot down with hte raping of our constitution yet, they're NOT going to.

There are few I'm sure who will turn on his fellow citizen, but those who understand the oath they took to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, will do the right thing.

the only question is at what point will they do this, and how far will they o over the line.

If this country continues to continue with the slow boil, I'm sure I'm sure that line will be stretched very far.

Originally posted by Bluess
You see.. In my country the citezens are the country... And the government mostly works for the people, forfilling the peoples need and wishes

It is the peoples wish that we don't have guns all over....

The United States is a Republic not a Democracy, No man, Majority, Or Government has the right to tread on even one mans rights.

We don't fear eachother, we respect eachother and our lives...
We have no need for guns, to defend against other people, because other people don't have guns either.

We don't fear each other either, I don't know why people assume that because we like to shoot guns, go hunting, and own weapons that we somehow live in some constant state of fear that occupies our minds 24/7, I can assure you fear is something we think little if nothing about.

There is no fear, because there is nothing to fear...sure their will always be criminal elements, that get their guns on the black market, but thoose elements will exist nomatter what you do.

We are not afraid to trust our citizens with the right to defend themselves, but we are afraid to raise the amount of killing weapons like guns, knives etc..

Ok so their are criminal elements that will always exist and always be able to get guns, What about all those Fellow citizens you trust?

we have already established criminals can get guns no matter what, And we have established you trust your fellow citizens with the right to defend themselves.

What difference does it make rather the neighbor you trust owns a gun?
If hes a criminal hes going to be able to get one anyway, And if hes not then you trust him and should have nothing to worry about...

right?

If people get rubbed, in my country, they mostly just remain as calm as possible, knowing their items are ofcourse ensured, and they will be compensated.

Its really all in the mentality of the people and their mutual respect for eachother.

What country do you live in? oz?

Believe it or not, but most people here, young and old, doesnt even want to have anything to do with guns, and many people have lived their whole life without ever having held a gun in their hands.

Believe it or not that applies to most Americans and thats fine its their right to choose how they live there lives and what they own, its not their right to dictate to me how i live my life and what I own.

Freedom.

We are raised to see how dangerous guns and weapons are, and all we have to do is turn on the TV to see how weapons kill people all over the world, thats right...remove the weapons and many lives are saved.

Remove guns people will just kill in more violent ways, not only that but more likely then not the death rate in your country is just as bad as it is in the States, when you take total population into account.

This is true freedom, to be able to live in relativly peacefull surroundings, without having to worry about guns at all.

The fear you have, comes from the knowledge that everyone around you have a gun, and can use it whenever they see fit. That would scare the sh... out of me too.

Again you assume we live in fear? the only fear I live in is rather or not I'll make it home in my car without being crushed by some maniac with a cell phone...

I assure you I live in the city and in a state which allows concealed carry I could take a guess that about a fourth of the people I see in a day probably have a gun on them, do you know how I feel about that? I think nothing of it at all...



[edit on 1-2-2008 by C0le]

All I can say has been said before, by George Mason, and I quote
"To disarm the people is the best, and most effective, way to enslave them".

Winchester 30-30 Model 94 leans against my headboard and a .38 six shot S&W revolver is in my truck.

reply to post by northwolf


Ohh i see... well thank you Vojvoda for answering that for me

Originally posted by C0le

The United States is a Republic not a Democracy, No man, Majority, Or Government has the right to tread on even one mans rights.

The exact same goes for the danish democracy, we just let the majority of people deside who is best to the country, every four years atleast. And our government only has majority in Parliament, thrue working together with several other parties.
However we also have Constitutional rights that noone can tread on.

We don't fear each other either, I don't know why people assume that because we like to shoot guns, go hunting, and own weapons that we somehow live in some constant state of fear that occupies our minds 24/7, I can assure you fear is something we think little if nothing about.

And yet you say that you would live in fear if you didnt have the right to own a weapon? and i quote you:

I cannot even imagine living in such a place and living in constant fear to simply trust another citizens morals and better judgement, I mean what type of upbringing are they raised in that would suddenly make some one go on a killing spree if a gun magically appeared in their hand? I mean damn...

Ok so their are criminal elements that will always exist and always be able to get guns, What about all those Fellow citizens you trust?

They have a hard time getting guns if they don't know any hardcore criminals... Guns are not allowed here, there are not that many around, so its not just something you can buy from the local youth criminal.
It would take a hell of alot of cash and some knowing of the right people to get a handgun here. So no worries...

What difference does it make rather the neighbor you trust owns a gun?
If hes a criminal hes going to be able to get one anyway, And if hes not then you trust him and should have nothing to worry about...right?

As i stated above it is harder than hard to get hold of a gun here in Denmark, and the difference lies in that the general rule, is that nobody has guns, instead of the general rule being everybody have guns.

What country do you live in? oz?

Nope Denmark, and this is correct...We resently had a goldstore rubbed where the owner persuid the criminals... this was big news in our country, nearly never seen before, and the shopowner was not popular, but was being accused by the public, for taking the law into his own hands.
This shows our mentality and trust in the system.

Believe it or not that applies to most Americans and thats fine its their right to choose how they live there lives and what they own, its not their right to dictate to me how i live my life and what I own.

Maybe it does, as i have said before its all about mentality and trust. Nobody is dictating me not to own a gun, i choose this because i believe that more guns equal more killing, and i cannot even imagine shooting at another person. There are hunters in my family though and i'm all for prober hunting.

Remove guns people will just kill in more violent ways, not only that but more likely then not the death rate in your country is just as bad as it is in the States, when you take total population into account.

This is not true, you forget about the people killing with guns while they "defend" their proberty and the likes. And it is easier to accidently squeze the trigger, than accidently hammering a baseballbat into someones head.
The deathrates in Denmark are perhabs the same as in your country, however not the "death by guns" toll, more in form of car accidents and the likes.

Again you assume we live in fear? the only fear I live in is rather or not I'll make it home in my car without being crushed by some maniac with a cell phone...

No, I said it was the fear of not owning a gun, that you have, because everyone around you have one. If you where raised here you wouldnt even think about not own a gun.

I assure you I live in the city and in a state which allows concealed carry I could take a guess that about a fourth of the people I see in a day probably have a gun on them, do you know how I feel about that? I think nothing of it at all...

And there is the difference... you would be scared to not be able to own a gun, I would be scared to know everyone could own a gun.

We both go about our lives... you might get shoot...I might get hit by a car...no problem

Hmm, again one of these "2nd amendment and you" threads... and like most of them it started with the usual misconception....

There are no "free" societies that do NOT "trust" their citizens with guns. In about every country there are ways to get firearms. And in most places it is easier and less restricted than the UK. If I wanted to I could get firearms in a couple of weeks in my country, and that with less restrictions than in many US states.

Now, the main difference is that...well... all societies apart from the USA do not see the mythical quality arms seem to possess for some over the pond. US people are not the only ones who fear a return to an unequal society. That would be grossly overestimating the importance of the american independence event, and at the same time ignoring the political struggles many other societies have gone through since then. But people just believe that civil liberties, the basic rights that keep the democratic wheels turning, should be something meaningful; the mere thought that anyone could rate arms as something important enough to be a civil liberty seems ridiculous to us. Why is that? It is not because the USA were that beacon of light running in front of all those still-a-little-repressed societies that have yet to taste "true freedom" in a six-shot package.

It is because these societies treat the possession of arms as a nice personal gimmick and tool, not as a prerequisite for the functioning of the civil order. And in comes the aforementioned climate of fear that somehow seems to hold large portions of the american society in its grip - the fear of being physically defenselessness. The fear of some universal bogeyman that has come to take away all their precious possessions, be it money, life or liberties.

The thread starter mentioned he couldn´t imagine living in such a state of fear that we wouldnt trust our neighbour with guns. In the same fashion I say, how can one live in a society that fears the neighbour unless packing heat themselves? How could I walk the streets comfortably when it is the knowledge, or rather BELIEF, that only my CC gun keeps people in check, and not their own moral restraints? How can I reasonably expect my government to turn into a tyrannical bogeyman any minute (at which point I, with all my arsenal, personally have to slaughter everyone in the White House) and still honestly support it UNTIL it turns "evil"? Thats like planning how to break up with a woman BEFORE you even had the first date.

Originally posted by Bluess

And yet you say that you would live in fear if you didnt have the right to own a weapon? and i quote you:

Incorrect you're misconstruing my words, I never said I would live in fear if I didn't have a weapon, my words are clear, Why do you live in such fear of your neighbor suddenly owning a firearm, if you trust him then you should have nothing to fear.

I don't fear my neighbors with or without guns. you apparently do.

trust in not only those close to you, but also your own society seems to be something you lack. why is that? perhaps that trust only lasts so long as the tiger doesn't have its teeth... but thats not really trust now is it?

They have a hard time getting guns if they don't know any hardcore criminals... Guns are not allowed here, there are not that many around, so its not just something you can buy from the local youth criminal.
It would take a hell of alot of cash and some knowing of the right people to get a handgun here. So no worries...

A single gun in the hand of a criminal is none the less a gun in the hand of a criminal, A gun the the hand of a trusting neighbor should be of no concern to you, you trust them right?

As i stated above it is harder than hard to get hold of a gun here in Denmark, and the difference lies in that the general rule, is that nobody has guns, instead of the general rule being everybody have guns.

You still haven't answered the question, if you trust your neighbor what difference does it make rather or not he has a gun?

Maybe it does, as i have said before its all about mentality and trust. Nobody is dictating me not to own a gun, i choose this because i believe that more guns equal more killing,

So that neighbor you trust is going to suddenly come next door and murder you if a gun magically appears in his hands?

perhaps you should be looking at the society you live in and start asking yourself what have you done to someone that would make them snap like that if a gun were to appear in there hands...

your safe country is no different then any other country including the States, the only difference is you live in a constant state of fear so you all close yourselves up in a nice safe bubble because the boogie man might get you if you give freedom a chance...

No, I said it was the fear of not owning a gun, that you have, because everyone around you have one. If you where raised here you wouldnt even think about not own a gun.

Really? I never touched a gun till I was 18, was never raised around guns either, I never even a saw a gun first person till then, there were no guns in my family nor any real opinion on them....

Are you telling me i lived in fear for those 18 years of something I never once came into contact with or even saw it was never even a topic in my life...

oh my how did I make it so long... I mean those darn criminals are everywhere i mean everyone of them is packing heat out in the open with there finger on the trigger just waiting for us to talk in front of them...

And there is the difference... you would be scared to not be able to own a gun, I would be scared to know everyone could own a gun.

We both go about our lives... you might get shoot...I might get hit by a car...no problem

As stated I went 18 years without one I did just fine wasn't scared then, not scared now, and surprise surprise those darn criminals haven't got me yet...

[edit on 2-2-2008 by C0le]

Ultimately it comes down to one question.
"Are you free or are you a slave?"

A free person may own whatever the heck he wants as long as it is not killing or harming other people naturally, ie. having a radioactive blob of whatchamajunk in your garage poisoning your neighbours. A slave may only own those items that some other entity feels they are allowed to own. Whether it is a King, a democratic Mob, or a representative Republic, if some outside entity is threatening you with death (the ultimate culmination of the threat of force; prison, fines, etc..) for owning some arbitrary object or tool you are a slave.

So we are ALL SLAVES already to some degree. It's just that in some countries you are allowed to legally own the means to defend yourself and in other's you are no better than a sheep waiting for the farmer to protect you from the wolves.

Who is anyone else to decree that I cannot own a firearm? In the case of a democracy, how does some large group of people somehow happen to have more power and say over me than I myself do? Is there really some unbreakable law of nature that says if 10 people think somehting is right well then the other 9 that disagree just happen to be wrong? If you have a group of 100 people and 51 of them decide that all 100 should die is it ok for those 51 to kill the other 49 and then kill themselves? If you were one of the 49 wouldn't you want some way to stop them?

Being denied the right to own a firearm is to know outright that you are a slave and that some other person is your master just because they are from the government.

As long as you are armed you can never be completely enslaved. If you are armed you have the ability to free yourself.

Here's some interesting articles about self defense, guns, and genocide. Hope they can help!

Disarmament and Genocide, Africa

The most telling of all charts

Amazing how many MILLIONS of people were slaughtered within 15 years of the control laws being enacted.

Have a nice weekend!

Edited because it is hard to type in a gas mask.

[edit on 2-2-2008 by Tinhatman]

Governments that do not allow their citizens (or subjects) the privilege of owning firearms, deprive them of that right because they do not trust them. Firearms ownership is an expression of trust.

Countries that start down the road of deprivation, rarely stop with firearms. Oftentimes, next will come free speech, bans on free assembly, travel restrictions etc etc.

These restrictions are always passed off in the name of public good, but you are always losing something and being convinced that it's really for your own good, because you can't really be trusted.

All the while, living in your country seems to get progressively less pleasant. You seem to pay more tax, crime goes up, social behavior declines, standards decline.

If you believe the population in your country is better off being unarmed and essentially defenceless, then good luck to you, but I believe that restrictions on firearms ownership is wrapped up in a much bigger picture of social decay, your opinion may well differ.

We in the US have seen this pattern before, which is why we instituted the Second Amendment. Been a lot happier since then. The guns stay.

Maybe the real question is: why are some Americans so obsessed with the idea that everyone should have a gun when, outside of some 3rd world countries, the rest of the civilised world wonders why on earth anyone would want a gun.

I'm more likely to be struck by lightning than shot by someone. Actually, I'm more worried about being hit on the head by a US spy satellite than I am about being shot at. And if someone did try and shoot me, chances are it'd be by surprise and I wouldn't have time to draw, shoot, and kill first - unless I spend my whole life with a gun in my hand.

Originally posted by Essan
Maybe the real question is: why are some Americans so obsessed with the idea that everyone should have a gun when, outside of some 3rd world countries, the rest of the civilised world wonders why on earth anyone would want a gun.

And so the thinly veiled "Americans are all nutters" routine begins.

Firstly, the "rest of the civilized world" doesn't wonder why on earth anyone would want a gun, because millions of them already have one. Try checking the statistics on Scandinavian countries and Switzerland. As for your own nation, judging by the behavior I routinely see on British streets, I would be very selective about calling yourselves civilized, having as you do the highest rate of violent assault in the "civilized" world according to a recent UN study. Doesn't sound very civilized to me.

I'm more likely to be struck by lightning than shot by someone.

It is of course your right to be blind to the violence in your society, but would you allow others to think differently, and if so, arm themselves accordingly? I think not.

Actually, I'm more worried about being hit on the head by a US spy satellite than I am about being shot at.

There's that American thing again, strange huh. You're more concerned about that than the way your Muslim community is getting the Neville Chamberlain treatment or your violent and degenerate teenagers. Why not take a look at how many British citizens have been killed by American spy satellites falling on their collective heads, versus the number murdered by UK born Muslims. I wonder which one gets more air time on the BBC?

And if someone did try and shoot me, chances are it'd be by surprise and I wouldn't have time to draw, shoot, and kill first - unless I spend my whole life with a gun in my hand.

And there we have it, the mindset of someone who is already defeated, someone who not only doesn't want to fight back, but is absolutely convinced that even if he did, he would surely lose.

Take note fellow Americans, this could be us in 20 or 30 years. Scary, scary stuff.

[edit on 3-2-2008 by Retseh]

Originally posted by C0le


Incorrect you're misconstruing my words, I never said I would live in fear if I didn't have a weapon, my words are clear.

Ok, I stand corrected...So why do you own a gun again?

Why do you live in such fear of your neighbor suddenly owning a firearm, if you trust him then you should have nothing to fear.
I don't fear my neighbors with or without guns. you apparently do.

I dont fear my neighbor... I trust him... and he, just like me, would never own a gun. If he told me one day, that he would want to buy a gun, to protect himself, I would tell him that our friendship would end, and that I would report him to the police should he decide to purchase a gun. It is illigal to own a gun here remember?

trust in not only those close to you, but also your own society seems to be something you lack. why is that? perhaps that trust only lasts so long as the tiger doesn't have its teeth... but thats not really trust now is it?

I trust my society and the ones close to me, thats why we don't need guns. In our country we are raised to see the good in people and respect eachother. We are raised to understand that guns are a lethal weapon designed to kill. Guns are not regarded as cool, in this country.

A single gun in the hand of a criminal is none the less a gun in the hand of a criminal, A gun the the hand of a trusting neighbor should be of no concern to you, you trust them right?

That gun in the hand of my neighbor, would be the same gun in the hands of a criminal, if it was stolen, or if my neighbor suddently decided to become criminal.
Thats why I like that the guns are not here.
Criminals cant steal them everywhere, toxicated normal people can use them in fury, and kids can't accidently fire them or use them in school... as we have seen over and over again in other countries.

So that neighbor you trust is going to suddenly come next door and murder you if a gun magically appears in his hands?

No ofcourse not, what kinda rubbish is that?.. The gun might get stolen by a criminal and used with deadly outcome... His son, or someone else, might accidently get a hold on it, and use it for whatever reason...
Who knows what a deadly weapon in the wrong hands might cause of damage? The real question is, do I trust the gun to never get into other peoples hands? answer = no.

perhaps you should be looking at the society you live in and start asking yourself what have you done to someone that would make them snap like that if a gun were to appear in there hands...

Your totally making your own fairytales of perception, if you think this is the society I live in...LMAO Noone would magically snap, if they got a gun in their hands, what kind of statement is that?

your safe country is no different then any other country including the States, the only difference is you live in a constant state of fear so you all close yourselves up in a nice safe bubble because the boogie man might get you if you give freedom a chance...

I like the freedom there is in our country, we can interact peacefully with eachother knowing that normal people don't carry lethal weapons.
We don't close ourselves up in "safe bubbles" at all.
This country is one of the few freedom loving countries, where moms can even leave their babies outside a store in their babywagons, while the mom is shopping... Can you do that in your country?
There is no fear here because there is nothing to fear.
If all people had guns then there would be something to fear!
Who knows what kinda loonies would own a gun, if they could get it as easy as candy and it even was legal?

Really? I never touched a gun till I was 18, was never raised around guns either, I never even a saw a gun first person till then, there were no guns in my family nor any real opinion on them....
Are you telling me i lived in fear for those 18 years of something I never once came into contact with or even saw it was never even a topic in my life...
oh my how did I make it so long... I mean those darn criminals are everywhere i mean everyone of them is packing heat out in the open with there finger on the trigger just waiting for us to talk in front of them...

Still... would you feel safe today if I took away your guns? Did your dad own a gun while you lived at home? Have you ever lived without a gun in your house?

As stated I went 18 years without one I did just fine wasn't scared then, not scared now, and surprise surprise those darn criminals haven't got me yet...

So you can just throw away your guns right? I mean in your freedom loving country, who needs a gun?

How would you feel if your guns where stolen, and later used to kill someone you loved? Would you feel guilty not having stored your guns properly or whatever? I would!

A lethal weapon is constructed for one purpase only...to kill!
So nomatter why you have one, it is disrespectfull for life!

But please don't claim that freedom stands and falls, with the right to bear arms!

Freedom has to do with your rights as a human, not with your mechanical abilities to kill other people in selfdefense or attack, by the means of weapon.

If everybody walking around with guns of all kinds hidden even...well,.if all those gun folfs were walking around with there mothers and fathers and grandparents,..we all know that everybody would act responsably with there firearms,..And I mean everybody..Why ?..Because we have respect for our family..we would not act like common thugs..No,..we would act as The world expects us to act with firearms...It matters not if your hiding a full auto uzi..If you are with mom,...you won't be an ass..,.......my 2 cents...really the majority can handle the responsibiliy of carrying a gun.....silencers and switch blades should be legal for anyone not just class III folks...hey,..you may want to target practice in your basement.....you are holding something and you need to make a quick cut,...you can whip out you knife and push the buttom,...presto...I used mine at my customer service job loading lumber.... Using a gun in a crime must be with harshly..no slaps on wrists.....throw the book,......but,..let us always keep our guns..

Originally posted by Bluess
I trust my society and the ones close to me, thats why we don't need guns. In our country we are raised to see the good in people and respect eachother. We are raised to understand that guns are a lethal weapon designed to kill. Guns are not regarded as cool, in this country.

Errr something's wrong here. If I understand correctly, you are from Denmark, that would be the same Denmark that, with a gun ownership ratio of more than 15,000 firearms per 100,000 people, has one of the HIGHEST firearms ownership rates in Europe.

So this crime free paradise you describe either exists in spite of record levels of gun ownership, or because of it.

Sort of makes your whole "guns are evil" thing look a little silly n'est ce pas?