The Top Secret US Military Space Program. Is The Future Already Here?

reply to post by ElectroMagnetic Multivers


It's simple: I know physics, and nothing presented in so called anti-gravity sites can stand scientific scrutiny.

1) Why could we go to the Mooon and Walk on the Moon within a ten year span or less, and yet in the next 35+ years we haven't really accomplished much in space? Or is NASA just a public program to apease the public?

2) Why did we stop so suddenly from further Moon exploration? Does that make sense to you? Or did we really stop?

It's simple. There is nothing else to achieve by going to the moon again. We learn so much more by sending probes.

Originally posted by Flyingdog5000
I am always amazed at the level of incomprehensible nuttiness that is posted here. The universe is a beautiful and awe inspiring place that is strange beyond comprehension. Pushing aside real science that is based on verifiable and repeatable research and experimentation only to embrace the fantastic science fiction that is expounded here is a sign of an inferior intellect, or rather, a person who wants to believe as opposed to one who wants to understand. In the middle ages people like that didn't believe in little green men in flying saucers, they believed in pixies, fairies, trolls and demons. Same $%&* different century!

Rather than reading up on people like the fictitious Col. Wilson, why not got to your favorite bookstore and get a real science book. Take it home and read it. You'll learn all sorts of amazing things that are so much better than science fiction fantasies.

F-Dog

The universe is more wondrous than we "can" think, or prove. Congratulations in seeing the beauty and wonder, but this is just the begining.

Repeatable experiments have little value in going forward now that science has found whole new areas in dimensional and quantum physics. Verify if it is a particle or a wave. Try to weigh or measure qualitative reality, like your awareness. The more science knows, the more it finds it knows nothing. It is a path of discovery and a practice of intelligent change and evolving awareness.

UFOs, Aliens might be Sci Fi to you and a few others, but tell that to millions who see and experience them. Newtonian Physics is the beginnings of an infinite path, quantum physics is the hair on bum of a bug on a mountain. Much more to come.

Don't make the same mistake people have made over and over and presume to be modern and knowing what is really going on. It is best to look and be ready for new science always. It's a journey, not a destination. We will never be where you say we are. If we are, we are doomed to an ignorant death.

And... Many times, science fiction has proven to be science fact. Be ready for that!

ZG

Originally posted by plaetorian
reply to post by daniel_g

 

The military tech has been improving accordingly, like the B2, nice plane.... i am sure we all agree that plane uses unconvenctional technology to do what it does.,,, mainly antigravity. I would, and I am sure you too, like an explanation of why did this plane cost over $2 Billion each?? $2 Billion!!!! Hello!! What the hell does this plane has inside that costs so much more than any other super advanced plane? yet we fly that ungly flinstone era space shuttle.

You made me think of something. You don't need an anti gravity system for a whole aircraft, just for the crew compartment so they can withstand G-Forces. Some of the flight dynamics now easily exceed the limits of human flight. This cuts the size of the field down and energy consumption, maybe intensifying only when excess forces are exerted.

Just a thought.

ZG

reply to post by masterp

Originally posted by masterp
It's simple. There is nothing else to achieve by going to the moon again.

Oh, really?

Everything that can be invented has been invented.

Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. patent office, 1899 (attributed)

Does the term, "famous last words," ring a bell?





[edit on 31-1-2008 by goosdawg]

Never saw a thread go so far off target as this one. But I wonder, what this all really means. We have the following cryptic quotes:

“And apparently, NASA must be used to convince the public
that our current technology, such as with our very old and decrepit
Space Shuttle program, is the best we have, while our military
conducts space missions with technology that we can only
fantasize about while watching Star Trek.” - USAF Medic, 1980s

or

[Senator Daniel K. Inoue:] "There exists a shadowy Government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of the national interest free from all checks and balances. And free from the Law itself."

or

[Ben Rich, former head engineer to Kelly Johnson at Lockheed's 'Skunk Works']: "We have things in the Nevada desert that you and the best minds in the world won't even be able to conceive that we have for 30 or 40 years, and won't be made public for another 50."

[edit on 31-1-2008 by teeceenj]

Why can't you juz say it's a secret?

Can even use for public transport.
Building a volkswagon doesn't mean i tell you how it works..

Even use my own crew, especially for complex vehicles.
Cabin flight data recorder + vid

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Originally posted by COOL HAND
Those two questions are connected, so I will give you the same answer for both. The American taxpayer is not willing to provide the funding that NASA needs to do those things. Folks aren't calling for an increase in NASA's budget, which means it is not being argued by Congress, which means they aren't getting what they need.

Your so called 'answer' is pretty way off course and shrouded in ignorance! It seems you keep harping on the same argument like a gramophone needle stuck in a groove. How many times has it been mentioned in this thread that NASA HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH BLACK PROJECTS???? NASA is funded mostly from tax payers money. Black projects by CIA (drug money etc) and other slight-of-hand under-the-board appropriations that few know of.

So let's not get too hyper that you're being screwed. You're not! Very little of your tax is going toward funding black programs. They are not so naive as to do so due to the risk of something called accountability and possible exposure through the Freedom of Information Act, etc.

Cheers!

This would be one of the best article's i have read in a long time although it has no hard evidence it still manages to prove it's self, you have done well on this article, the problem here is we NEED to make the public the people the ordinaries realize what is going on, because this can not keep happening, you might say to your self "what can I do? there's nothing i can do!" but your wrong, you can be informed and Inform other's rather then letting us all be laughed upon, i had a myspace account and put tone's of UFO, Government and religious secrets just so any person who looked through my page would know. whether they thought i was insane or not that is there choice but those ho think Myself and the rest of us here are insane will apologize greatly one day, i want to start building my own enhancement's for a 10 inch telescope when i get one and have a camera attachment for it so when i do snap a interesting or mind blowing picture this will be the first place i come to although where i am in the world (the southern end) i think it might be harder to get footage or imagery. we need to set the wheels in motion and stop being treated like the ant's as the GOV sees us all. GET OUT THERE AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK KID's! let's be the one's to change the world.

reply to post by mikesingh


this would be one of the best article's i have read in a long time although it has no hard evidence it still manages to prove it's self, you have done well on this article, the problem here is we NEED to make the public the people the ordinaries realize what is going on, because this can not keep happening, you might say to your self "what can I do? there's nothing i can do!" but your wrong, you can be informed and Inform other's rather then letting us all be laughed upon, i had a myspace account and put tone's of UFO, Government and religious secrets just so any person who looked through my page would know. whether they thought i was insane or not that is there choice but those ho think Myself and the rest of us here are insane will apologize greatly one day, i want to start building my own enhancement's for a 10 inch telescope when i get one and have a camera attachment for it so when i do snap a interesting or mind blowing picture this will be the first place i come to although where i am in the world (the southern end) i think it might be harder to get footage or imagery. we need to set the wheels in motion and stop being treated like the ant's as the GOV sees us all. GET OUT THERE AND DO YOUR HOMEWORK KID's! let's be the one's to change the world.

Originally posted by mikesingh
Your so called 'answer' is pretty way off course and shrouded in ignorance! It seems you keep harping on the same argument like a gramophone needle stuck in a groove. How many times has it been mentioned in this thread that NASA HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH BLACK PROJECTS???? NASA is funded mostly from tax payers money. Black projects by CIA (drug money etc) and other slight-of-hand under-the-board appropriations that few know of.

The entire sum of the drug trade could not fund the programs that are described here. Now who is the ignorant one?

So let's not get too hyper that you're being screwed. You're not! Very little of your tax is going toward funding black programs. They are not so naive as to do so due to the risk of something called accountability and possible exposure through the Freedom of Information Act, etc.

Cheers!

Classified (TS and above) programs are not bound by the FOIA.
They never have been and I very much doubt they ever will be.

reply to post by COOL HAND

Originally posted by COOL HAND
The entire sum of the drug trade could not fund the programs that are described here. Now who is the ignorant one?

Telling traits of the pseudoskeptics are:

1) To make counter-claims based on plausibility rather than empirical evidence, and;

2) To use ridicule or ad hominem attacks in lieu of arguments.

Do us all a favor and prove you're not a "pseudoskeptic/disinformant" and back up your declarations with some hard facts for a change instead of your repetitious personal attacks and unsubstantiated claims.

For someone who's "wasting his time" you certainly show little regard for wasting the time of others.

Please, if this is all you can bring to the discussion, maybe your time would be better spent elsewhere.








[edit on 31-1-2008 by goosdawg]

Mike, another spectacular thread what a surprise!

I got a question however. If NASA and the Air Force were to pull these off, how come not many countries know about this? Russia? China? Europe?
How do they manage to hide that technology from satellites, spies, leaks,
and things of that nature?

Originally posted by Equinox99
Mike, another spectacular thread what a surprise!

I always produce spectacular threads!! So why the 'surprise'??

Ok, jokes apart, you mentioned...

If NASA and the Air Force were to pull these off, how come not many countries know about this? Russia? China? Europe?
How do they manage to hide that technology from satellites, spies, leaks,
and things of that nature?

So how do we know that they are not in it together? It's a quid pro quo.
Like, you-scratch-my-back-and-I'll-scratch-yours!! In international relations, there's much more than meets the eye!! You'll be surprised to know as to what the heck is actually going on!

Cheers!

reply to post by goosdawg


the only logical explanation would be the story of armstrong and his crew seeing a giant ufo parked on a creator's edge when they landed, any other ladings after that would have been faked, look it up

From my understanding, the US military, specifically the airforce, has a parallel program with updated equipment. It's called Project Blackstar.

www.aviationweek.com.../030606p1.xml

I've not heard anything about super advanced, alien tech used at all-always suspicious about those claims. From what little I've been able to find out, the tech is what is going to replace the NASA space shuttle program.



[edit on 1-2-2008 by jfj123]

Originally posted by goosdawg
Do us all a favor and prove you're not a "pseudoskeptic/disinformant" and back up your declarations with some hard facts for a change instead of your repetitious personal attacks and unsubstantiated claims.

For someone who's "wasting his time" you certainly show little regard for wasting the time of others.

Please, if this is all you can bring to the discussion, maybe your time would be better spent elsewhere.

Do us all a favor and stop with the personal attacks.

Let me see if I have this correct. In order to prove my point you want me to track the total sum of the drug trade worldwide and then report it here.

Can you think of anywhere that would have that kind of info? The only places that would are the gov't websites, which folks around here don't take to kindly to for factual purposes.


[edit on 1/2/08 by COOL HAND]

This has been bugging me for I don't know how bloody long......apparently billions of not trillions of dollars are being spent on black projects, I’m curious as to where is that money coming from.....tax etc......and why hasn't the government....(puppet government) caught on to this....or even other countries.......

The most logical answer I’ve been able to deduce.....is other countries already do know about all this....secret space program, dodgy missing money...etc, the reason I’m guessing other countries haven’t gone to the public about this....is either they've approached the 'real' government about all this and they've negotiated a settlement, eg.... they are granted the full truth but are not allowed to disclose anything, as well as granted access to 'new' technologies..... any countries that are still in the dark about all of this, eg northern African countries, will stay in the dark until they are aware of what's going on.....

( the settlement I’m referring to…..is the possible kind you see on the television show SG1, where the Russians have joined with America in researching alien technology and building spaceships and other advanced technologies )

Seeing how the internet exists.....I guess even the leaders of the poorest countries would have some sort of understanding of what's going on..... If they have contacted the 'real' American government, if they know there is a real government, then that would actually if you think about it...make some sense as to why these countries are doing do badly. As soon as they find out what's really going on.... I suppose they crumble under the pressure in which leaves these countries like Malawi in such disarray.....

And so….every government that does know the truth, is yet to tell the public anything until they get the go ahead from the real American government….The only way I can see the truth ever coming out, is the NWO, not the microchips implanted into your body, but the one world government system, no borders, no wars, one united people and I’m all for that, say good by to your beloved constitution…..the Amero is coming he he hee…..The Euro already exists it’s just a matter of time before a one world government is established, yay…….

You really, really have to watch these…. explains a lot…..

au.youtube.com... part 1

au.youtube.com... part 2

au.youtube.com... part 3



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reply to post by masterp


Then why does bush want to go to the moon again if there is nothing else to learn?