The Top Secret US Military Space Program. Is The Future Already Here?

Originally posted by lazer1
Why? Because of an element called Helium3


Now there we go... This is worth BIG money. If the USA did already have such technology then they would already be on the moon and mining it.

Precisely! Already on the moon and mining it...

and transporting it back with THIS

www.thelivingmoon.com...

Do a search on the internet at all the CURRENT projects using HE3 in progress and ask yourself... if this stuff is so rare on Earth, where are they getting it all from?

Do you realize the gov spends billions each year to develop new technology and much of this spending cannot (and perhaps should not) be tracked...we're talking billions here... Of course, that's what it's all about. Is it necessarily all bad? Not at all. In fact I would say most of this research and technology is beneficial.
If you do your research in regards to declassified gov projects that have taken place in the last 50 years (and I know many of you have), you will notice that the trend hasn't changed much since...

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by mikesingh
Damn! Unfortunately that site, VirtuallyStrange.net has become pay and access!! $74 a year!!

Yeah that's the fourth one

Ellen Lloyd pulled out of Pegasus and went subscription only with her site www.ufoarea.com...

There are other popular sites doing the same. Whats up with that?

Hey Ron! Why don't you go thataway too? Is getting rich a nice feeling? You bet it is!!

Cheers!

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Interesting on the HE3 I didnt know anything about that. It would surprise me that they could be mining it I mean lets face it our energy sources are running low here on earth another 50 years of oil and 150 of coal I mean we have to think of something I dont know why everyone is so shocked.

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we still fly out of this planet in a prehistoric mode, using that huge fuel tank and spacecraft that looks like the worst oil consuming car we ever had. The military tech has been improving accordingly, like the B2, nice plane.... i am sure we all agree that plane uses unconvenctional technology to do what it does.,,, mainly antigravity. I would, and I am sure you too, like an explanation of why did this plane cost over $2 Billion each?? $2 Billion!!!! Hello!! What the hell does this plane has inside that costs so much more than any other super advanced plane? yet we fly that ungly flinstone era space shuttle. Nasa's space progran is just a cover up to keep us all proud and not doing questions. It is pure logic.... we have gone from riding horses and room size crap computers to nanorobots that kill cancer cells.. cellphones and god knows what else in the last couple decades and yet we are just putting rovers in mars? yeah right hahaha

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something is a fact as you mention.... not billions but trillions! in fact right about 10 trillion dollaz by now is the US debt that I am use we all agree has not been spent in infrastructure, economy improvement... or health or education... not even military along...! 10 trillion! where has this money gone??

I couldn't see anything about our oceans? Do you all think we can go there too?

I firmly believe they are on Moon and Mars. Are we friends with Russia out there? I heard a snipit that this positioning on Earth was just a cover story for us regular folks.

Originally posted by kindred
Don't know if anyone has brought this up, but if the US Military has it's own secret space program, then why haven't they used their fancy technology to retrieve their secret spy satellite that is apparently spinning out of control and crashing back to Earth.

Surely if they had this tech, they would do everything in their power to save it.

Oh, no - see they have to let some things fall now and then, just to make it look like they don't have godlike space technology powers and Mach 50 aircraft.

Yeah, that's the ticket...

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I agree with you there, all the international animosity we see (not Iraq or Afghanistan, cos lets face it, Oil and opium is BIG business atm) is a mere war games exercise to leave us with apprehension and anxiety, not to mention the fact it is another wall to be broken down before the world can unite as a people and not a government!!

Thank you for the post above, I had forgotten the name of the operation that BYRD (knew I'd spelt it wrong lol) led, 'High jump' was a prime example of the technology that the Germans had. I have another point to bring up, in operation 'paperclip', thousands, maybe even tens of thousands of scientists were brought back from Germany toward the end of war, and how many worked in NASA? Where did all these people go?!? to there respective fields, the rocket propulsion scientists and engineers went to NASA, because at the time that was were they could see greater progress ensuing, not to mention a cash cow that just had to be milked..lol. All the other thousands of scientists went into there respective fields, deep, deep underground. ZPE, electro gravitics, vortex implosion technology etc it all went deep black, for a time when they can put a spin on it. (anyone else see the link with HE3 to oil and coal? a fuel which again, we will have to pay through the nose for, since they have to go all the way to the moon to get it!! lol)

Someone mentioned the B2 a bit further up? If needed I will scan the diagrams from the book( i lent it to a friend, so ill have to get it back ), but as a quick description.

They have found that gravity moves in the direction of a positive charge, the leading wing tip of the B2 bomber, was said to be positively charged, and the back trailing wing tips were negatively charged. This created a 'bubble' of EM radiation around the craft which not only reduced drag, due to air being 'spread' out of the way, but also PULLED the craft forward, and PUSHED it from the back(vents in the wing fire out - charged air, that acts like a thruster). Don't get me wrong, it is still a conventional craft, with conventional fuel, but they can apparently switch the electro gravitic drive on or off.

The reason it cant always be used is due to rain, this somehow disrupts the EM field around the craft (im guessing the static field that is focused within the field, disperses through the rain, weakening the field, aswell as disrupting the power flow). It was reported that before the B2 was equipped with metal studs in its wheels (to allow the Static charge to bleed off into the ground on landing) a few ground crew man died from touching the craft after it had landed.

I have been researching this for a while, and I firmly believe in the account of gary mckinnon about undisclosed 'fleets' off world, and multiple bases on various bodies. The Electrical universe model really puts alot of this into perspective, not the secret space program perse, but the technology that can may be used, and the method in which it functions.

I see it this way, einstein stated that faster than lightspeed travel was impossible, due to that if speed of light has been achieved, then the object, would be infinite mass, and therefore need infinite fuel, and this WASN'T available using conventional combustion drive. Yet if we take ZPE for example, all around us, then IMO anyway, the faster you travel, the more energy absorbed, through kinetic transference from the ZPF to the craft (thats if the craft is say + charged, and the ZPE is - charged or vice versa) infinite mass therefore produces infinite energy.

If anyone who actually believes in ZPE and has done research into the subject could cast some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism over this, that could help me alot, as I am no physicist, just have a keen interest.

thank you. EMM

I am always amazed at the level of incomprehensible nuttiness that is posted here. The universe is a beautiful and awe inspiring place that is strange beyond comprehension. Pushing aside real science that is based on verifiable and repeatable research and experimentation only to embrace the fantastic science fiction that is expounded here is a sign of an inferior intellect, or rather, a person who wants to believe as opposed to one who wants to understand. In the middle ages people like that didn't believe in little green men in flying saucers, they believed in pixies, fairies, trolls and demons. Same $%&* different century!

Rather than reading up on people like the fictitious Col. Wilson, why not got to your favorite bookstore and get a real science book. Take it home and read it. You'll learn all sorts of amazing things that are so much better than science fiction fantasies.

F-Dog

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This is what I've been saying:

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Rather than being highly ignorant, why don't you actually go out and read up on the subject, and come back with something informative and constructive to counter the argument, rather than claiming it is mere science fiction and saying that we are all delusional.

thanks.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by lazer1
Why? Because of an element called Helium3

Precisely! Already on the moon and mining it...

and transporting it back with THIS

www.thelivingmoon.com...

They're transporting it in a drawing of a tank? That would be quite a trick!

Do a search on the internet at all the CURRENT projects using HE3 in progress and ask yourself... if this stuff is so rare on Earth, where are they getting it all from?

Well, of course there are a lot of small HE3 projects out there, most of them theoretical. Although there is a little bit to be found on Earth. But there's no current active fusion reactor cooking away with the stuff, and there is a lot of question about just how easy or hard it might be to get it to work. While some very optimistic projections place the cost/benefit ratio around that of oil, we still have plenty of oil for the immediate future. Considering there's no real market for HE3 yet, and by the time there is one we will probably have developed other, cheaper energy sources, there's really not much a push for it.

Most of the current drive to the Moon has more to do with public relations than direct commerce. Proving their third world country can do space work. Otherwise, if it was really that lucrative, we'd already have wildcat Moon miners at work.

Oh, that's right. You say we already do. And at this point I would ordinarily whip out the "P" Word on you, but I already know that's a waste of effort.

Originally posted by hal5000
Questions for you.

1) Why could we go to the Mooon and Walk on the Moon within a ten year span or less, and yet in the next 35+ years we haven't really accomplished much in space? Or is NASA just a public program to apease the public?

2) Why did we stop so suddenly from further Moon exploration? Does that make sense to you? Or did we really stop?

Those two questions are connected, so I will give you the same answer for both. The American taxpayer is not willing to provide the funding that NASA needs to do those things. Folks aren't calling for an increase in NASA's budget, which means it is not being argued by Congress, which means they aren't getting what they need.

3) Why has NASA airbrushed thousands of images from the Moon and Mars exploration missions? What is NASA hiding from us all? We paid for the missions however the information is withheld from the public, does this sound democratic and free too you?

Where is the proof of this? I have yet to see thousands of altered pics from the Moon, so you will have to point them out.

While some very optimistic projections place the cost/benefit ratio around that of oil

LOL...well, that's another piece of my puzzle, thanks, i never heard that before!!

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I can e-mail you hi res images of both sides of the moon, and if you zoom in close enough, there are areas that are blurred ALL over it. I see no reason why it is there unless they have been altered.

If you can show me the same hi res images without the blur, i will admit it wasn't NASA that did it, U2U me if you want the pics.

I think the concepts of top secret space programs and existing bases on the moon, though strange ideas to some, make sense to others. I think, for example, Tesla was more active in his post Patent period than we know. Not because the government was so smart but because the Illuminati where so eager to utilize such things to further their interests.

Sadly, I can think of only four reasons that would explain the quarter million or more missing adults each year in the United States (not to mention the world): 1. Cultivation as food, 2. Slave Labor, 3. ritual slaughter, 4. sex slavery. Slave Labor for bases underground or off the planet and food make the most sense for high volumes. Perhaps some people are used as food for the others working as slaves? Speculative, of course, but it does help to explain why the government/military would be so willing to dispose of the passengers and crews from the 9/11 flights. IE there seems to be an existing pipeline for their consumption (food or slave labor) and this pipeline may have been in existence in the early 60 or sooner.

Not deviating, but if you are familiar with Burma, you know that slavery is alive and well with people drugged to work and the #1 drug lord openly stating the the US Government has been their biggest client for 20 years. Given the Rockefeller/Chevron oil pipeline out of Burma, clearly the Illuminiti own and control and freely enslave populations for their ends this very day.

I fully agree with the black program being a theft on the surface, but we need to take a close look at the truth.

Russia has warned us that they have working technology to shoot down and /or damage and disable satellites. (This was months ago so dig for the link, I got none handy)

We poo poo them and they offer us a test. Satellites are falling. Seems like it works.

Now its time to even the field. They should just be honest and clue everyone in.

Very interesting topic. I think it is a given fact that the government and some of its branches have black projects that will never be announced, and I think it's pretty certain that there have been space flights not announced to the public. To where? Dunno. I don't buy into the whole "reverse engineered alien technology" gimmick for a few reasons.

This is just a request - Can Zorgon et. al. keep the "mining the moon!" stuff out of this thread?