John McCain: "There's going to be other wars, I am sorry to tell you"

When the man is right, he's right.

So who thought there would be no wars in the near or not distant future?
Raise your hand.

What he said is not really a secret.

- Lee

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It doesn't necessarily HAVE to be that way. If americans would step up, en masse, they could let it be known that we have had enough of this special-interest serving bloodshed, and looting of our own country to finance it.

A good start would be for people not to vote for John McInsane.

Originally posted by freighttrain
This world becoming a very sad world...

Freighttrain my friend, it has always been a sad world.

Whether or not we that live in relative comfort choose to pay attention to the injustices and horrors that don't affect us in our "own" personal bubble of blissful ignorance is another story.

In which case, we should say that "our" world is becoming a sad one. Many people of the world live a nightmare most of us could not even imagine.

McCain has stated the obvious, nothing more. If this frightens people...then maybe it should.

- lee

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective
It doesn't necessarily HAVE to be that way.
(snip)
A good start would be for people not to vote for John McInsane.

I agree that it doesn't have to be that way, however not voting for McCain won't bring about world peace. There will be more wars, and considering the current climate in the mid-east probably sooner than later. McCain would just inherit the mess that anyone of the candidates would if elected.

At this point I don't even want to vote for any of these people I've seen parading around on my television.

p.s. my edit on quote.

- Lee

Originally posted by TrueAmerican


So what is he talking about? Is he speaking in general or he is referring to the situation in Iran or Pakistan?

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Most likely both I would say. The deal with Iran though--if we were to pull out of Iraq all-together. We'd still end up going to war with Iran. Because Iraq is going to be the one to start the war.

Of course you gotta know he means completely optional voluntary wars like Iraq and not some defensive action. And you gotta understand that economic inequality won't improve. And you gotta believe that the environment will only get worse. He is telling the truth. It's just we went from peace and prosperity (although skewed toward the rich) 8 years ago to war and prosperity (for the rich) after that, and that is the pattern we will continue to see for the forseeable future.

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran. Does anyone remember this?

www.youtube.com...

This guy is insane and should be shot in the head and dumped in a river.

Originally posted by dk3000
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran. Does anyone remember this?

www.youtube.com...

This guy is insane and should be shot in the head and dumped in a river.

LMAO!!!

On a serious note-yep, I remember that. It's frightening with the casual attitude and indifference these lunatics talk about destruction of human life and the atrocities of war. It's nothing more than another day at the office serving special interests. Never mind the anguish and suffering of the human race, as long as their agendas are fulfilled, it's all good.

These people are not even human.

Well, consider this in light of McCains statement for one.

www.washingtonpost.com...

and here is the study itself that is being discussed in the article.

www.ladlass.com...

Couple that scenario with dwindling resources and a mad dash to grab "rights" to them and it is no mystery. He doesnt need to tell us what he means by that. All you have to do is look at what is going on, and why, and you can see that it is only going to get a lot uglier.

I know that lots of people are still in denial about over population and such but it doesnt take a genius to run that formula.

Dwindling habitable space, food, water, energy + a growing population + an environmental change that can alter weather patterns and make food production more difficult = WAR

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

These people are not even human.

Unfortunately they are all too human. We need to EVOLVE. They are actually using very human (and animal) strategies that we have been using for at least all of recorded history, and probably long before that. So, technically, it is human. What needs to happen is we need to figure out another way. Just because this one has "worked" thus far, (as evidenced by the fact that we are here to debate that) it is NOT necessarily true that it will continue to work. Every strategy works until it fails. It would be nice if we could discern a different and less bestial method of handling the allocation of resources (as that is what most wars are about at their core) than the current one.

Unfortunately I am afraid that the "punctuated equilibrium" theory of evolution is the most likely. (sorry creationists, I know you have other theories but I am not addressing those) In punctuated equilibrium species build up a nice broad base with lots of variety "and then an event occurs" that makes survival impossible for most of them, and that acts as the selection process by which the "new" model is chosen. I think we are awfully close to the "and then an event occurs" portion of this process.

If you guys are interested I have written Senator Robert Wexler and got an email from his people this morning

Ill forward it to anyone who is interested.

Tonight, President Bush will issue what will thankfully be his final State of the Union address; but, little of what he says can be trusted.

For the past seven years, we have watched as America has moved steadily backwards. We have become a nation that is less free and less fair. We have become a nation that no longer values the right to privacy and has tragically retreated from our cherished foundations.

Nothing George W. Bush says tonight will change the sad reality of the America he has given us:

- Our economy teeters on the edge of recession while property taxes spike and homeowners are losing their homes at record levels;

- Our educational system is broken and our teachers are abandoned;

- Our roads and bridges languish in disrepair, while our borders and ports remain under-inspected and insecure;

- Our most basic ideals about law and justice have been tossed out, as our President uses fear to pursue his reckless agenda; and

- We remain mired in Iraq – a war built on lies and manipulated intelligence.

Nowhere in American history - not even Watergate - have we been confronted with an Administration so ambivalent about the truth and established law. A recent nonpartisan study found that the Bush Administration lied over 900 times in the prelude to the Iraq war, misleading us on nearly every critical issue.

It is time that we reclaim this country and undue the damage wrought by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

Democrats in Congress must stand up and lead – no matter the cost.

We need to finally act on the promises of the 2006 election and stop at nothing to bring our troops home from the Iraq. If we do not act Bush will install a permanent US presence in Iraq and John McCain's vision of a 100 year US occupation will become reality.

It is time that we faced up to our global responsibilities and begin to prevent global warming. In the richest nation on earth, it is long past time that we provide health insurance to every single American.

We must aggressively pursue impeachment hearings for Vice President Dick Cheney due to serious allegations of abuse of power including illegal wiretapping, torture, and deliberate lies to bring us to war.

Fifteen members of Congress - including 4 Judiciary Committee members - have already joined my call to Chairman Conyers for impeachment hearings and more are joining each day:

Bush Administration officials and cabinet members must answer questions - on the record - regarding illegal wiretapping, torture, and what I perceive as deliberate, knowing lies to the American people in an effort to bring us to war in Iraq.

Impeachment hearings are essential because the Administration has recklessly used claims of executive privilege to block key witnesses from testifying. Impeachment hearings could force the Administration to drop their executive privilege claims and we would then finally get the answers this nation deserves. We are making progress with over 216,000 Americans already registering their support at WexlerWantsHearings.com.

We must rededicate ourselves to the core values of this nation and finally deliver to the American people the change they demanded when they stood up and voted for Democrats in 2006.

I value your support, and I am thankful for your patriotism.

Together, we can begin to restore the state of our Union.

With warm regards,

Congressman Robert Wexler

Mccain is a scary war monger.

I can say for once, maybe, I'm glad Bush beat him in the 2000 primaries.

But had Mccain became President in 2000, I wonder if our conflicts thus far would've been more successful on the world scene. Certainly Mccain is more presentable and more intelligent than Bush, but thats the only good thing I can say.

For all I know if Mccain won in 2000 I could be a draftee sitting in Iraq right now. Or Afghanistan.

I'd preferred Rudy, but McCain would be my next pick. I don't see how there won't be other wars. Human history is marked by war. There is never going to be peace, it's human nature and it is vital for the U.S. to stay ahead of the game. McCain is right regardless of who makes it as President.

Originally posted by West Coast

Originally posted by TrueAmerican


So what is he talking about? Is he speaking in general or he is referring to the situation in Iran or Pakistan?

The fact that he is the ranking minority member of the United States Senate Committee on Armed Services doesn't help any here. What does he know that he is not telling us? How does he know there are going to be other wars? And what's this "I'm sorry to tell you...?"

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Man has been warring with man since the beginning of time...Its not going to change..

Your right, but the interesting part is... for all of our clothes and internet and tech we are still as stupid as cavemen hitting each other with clubs to solve problems. Boy that is something to be proud of isnt it.

Nobody on this board can be so stupid as too think there are no more wars in the future. Come on, give me a break. For the last 10,000 years at least we have been going to war with each other and killing each other. That is what we do. All tech and progress has it's roots in some kind of conflict. DARPA and the internet, radar and microwave ovens, whatever. He was making a point that the road ahead is going to be rough. I guess some idiots need to be told that. If you honestly believe that one day soon we will be running cars on hydrogen, eating clean food, and living in world peace....you must not live on the same planet as me.

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You are 100% right my friend. I hate to say it but peace is a hopeless dream. Wars will always happen, big and small. It's human nature, it's how we are built. All we can do is try and reduce the severity and cost to humanity. Sad i know. But if you think otherwise you are dreaming.

There will always be war it's easier than peace and some people make money from war. When was the last time that our country went 10 years without any type of military conflict.

No offense, but we keep overstating the obvious here. Yeah, there will always be war...ok...ok, we got it.

What the original post seeks is what your take is on the video, and whether McCain was speaking in general or could he have possibly been telegraphing something more imminent like Pakistan or Iran.

We digress. Where's that pesky topic?

Originally posted by dingleberry77
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You are 100% right my friend. I hate to say it but peace is a hopeless dream. Wars will always happen, big and small. It's human nature, it's how we are built. All we can do is try and reduce the severity and cost to humanity. Sad i know. But if you think otherwise you are dreaming.

War is NOT hopelessly wired into our genes somehow, despite the confidence in your statement. I live on a street full of people, and hey, guess what? No one is killing one another. We live in a country of a few hundred million people, and hey, guess what? We are not currently at war amongst ourselves. There is a reason for war, and it is not that complex. It is the need for resources. It is entirely possible that a species that likes to pretend it is rational, and actually has some rational capability, could at some point in time do the rather easy calculation required to figure out the carrying capacity of the planet at some pre-set standard of living and then make humane choices via birth control about how many of us there are going to be, and then working based on reason and agreement to maintain that level without the occaisonal war or genocide. Just like we agree in a given country not to kill one another, we could agree like that on a planetwide basis. However managing, not PLUNDERING and SQUANDERING our resources would be required. It would not be that difficult, aside from getting apes to use reason.

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Imminence is more imminent than some people seem to think. And I say a new front in the war on terror is imminent, as in no more than months away.