John McCain: "There's going to be other wars, I am sorry to tell you"

Does it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe someone just asked a question and he just answered it as honestly as he could?

- Con

Do you really believe anyone thinks illegal wars of aggression are in the best interest of the american people ? They would win the Goebbels prize.

[edit on 28-1-2008 by ergoli]

Well try this in for size...
Did I hear McCain say "Pakistan is the next Afghanistan" ???!!!

We'll be in Pakistan before the next election. Bush may suspend elections until the "war" is over under the Patriot Act. And of course, Iran already has it's "nuke me" sign on their back.

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Yep. Also, this thread is also in support of your article:

Bush planning covert intervention in Pakistan

It is my belief that, many things considered, this could be McCain telegraphing what may well come to pass in Pakistan or Iran, or both. Soon.

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Actually, that article wasn't mine. But here's another one right up that alley anyway...
Special forces on standby over nuclear threat (Pakistan)

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I also just found this:

Afghanistan, Pakistan emerge as military focus

The top two U.S. intelligence officials made a secret visit to Pakistan in early January to seek Musharraf’s permission for greater involvement of American forces in trying to ferret out al-Qaida and other militant groups active in the tribal regions, a senior U.S. official said Saturday. Musharraf was said to have rebuffed an expansion of an American presence in Pakistan at the meeting, either through overt CIA. missions or by joint operations with Pakistani security forces.

The number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan has grown over the past two years from about 20,000 to the current total of 28,000. That is the highest number of the war, which began in October 2001. The total is to jump by 3,200 this spring with a new influx of Marine reinforcements, including 2,200 combat troops who will bolster a NATO-led counterinsurgency force in the south.

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Marines huh? Goes right along with what I've been saying. Someone realized that we need the Pakistani coastline to finish the conquest of the region.

There are only two states [Iran and Syria] to be conquered/freed and USA will establish Alexander the Great Empire.

McCain is just another glory hunting elitist warmonger. Seems he comes from a long line of bloodthirsty types too. Interesting little article below:

seattlepi.nwsource.com...

the thing that makes me wonder i how he repeats "there will be another war" three times. i once read somewhere about how this triple repetition was some sort of masonic/illuminist code. i think it was around the time of the Micheal Richards fiasco. i don't know what that's worth, but it just seemed rather strange to me.

maybe he's just trying to beat it into our brains.

Originally posted by ergoli

Does it ever occur to you that maybe, just maybe someone just asked a question and he just answered it as honestly as he could?

- Con

Do you really believe anyone thinks illegal wars of aggression are in the best interest of the american people ? They would win the Goebbels prize.

[edit on 28-1-2008 by ergoli]

Try answering my question in the context it was made. Who said anything about illegal wars? Perhaps THIS is why you seem to add your own spin onto things said such as that or John McCain. As for the Goebbels prize?

I didn't hear McCain give any speechs, he just made a comment and that was hardly propaganda, that was just his opinion. If you want to turn that into something, let your imagination roam. I guess he should have lied and said he will bring peace on earth eh?

Now THAT would have been a BIG FAT ONE LOL

- Con

[edit on 28-1-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by ergoli

Man has been warring with man since the beginning of time...Its not going to change..

Ever since the advent of language, diplomacy and international law, . warring is not a fatality. Wars occur not out of 'historical need', but of very precise reasons. WW2 occured because UK made Hitler the big guy, the Iraq war because american press dares not question belligerent rhetoric from the white house. There are also examples of countries having been peaceful for several centuries, like Iran.

Here you do it again! is it so hard for you to read this and NOT add context or your own meaning to what he says here then give yourself a reason to correct it. All this guy had said is "man has seen war since the begining of time" that is a fact is it not? Nothing about why they start and for whatever the reasons are,, it's likely there will be more .

Pretty simple isn't it.

whats to correct? How about this

warring is not a fatality

Tell that to the millions who have been fatalities because of them


- Con

[edit on 28-1-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
I don't think so, because its not unnecessarily so.
With no Nam it would be 1944 to 2001 without major warfare.

That statement just begs for an old epithet... The Forgotten War. You appear to have forgotten Korea. It wasn't exactly small. The military death toll was equivalent to Vietnam in roughly one third the time.

Once you look past the "major" warfare, you find just a few more wars between WWII and 2001 -- Iran/Iraq, Afghanistan, Arab-Israeli wars, and several dozen civil wars across the globe.

Yep you're right, war is rather uncommon.

Originally posted by Britguy
McCain is just another glory hunting elitist warmonger. Seems he comes from a long line of bloodthirsty types too. Interesting little article below:

seattlepi.nwsource.com...

Seems he comes from a long line of bloodthirsty types too

I beg your pardon?

Why because he served his country in time of war?

My grandfather, my father and myself are all veterans of wars. That hardly makes any of us "Blood thirsty" but we appreciate the service to our country that gives you the freedoms you enjoy to make such an innuendo as those made about another commrade of the Vietnam war.

This is all I had to see to know the article is nothing but pffle
"Johann Hari writes for The Independent in Britain"

May as well have had Art Bell write it.

I'm no McCain fan but I do appreciate accurate journalism no matter who it's about.

- Con

[edit on 28-1-2008 by Conspiriology]

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Can you point out the credibility issues in detail? I'm just curious to know what points brought up in the article are perhaps untrue

Originally posted by Britguy
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Can you point out the credibility issues in detail? I'm just curious to know what points brought up in the article are perhaps untrue

No on the contrary the article makes the claims that you agree to so the burden of proving the kind of character portrayed in the article is YOURS.

Here is where he adds a liberal slant that doesn't make a bit of difference

He married an heiress?
SO WHAT she was a knock out and I would have too.
Nepotism? So what it wasn't like he was like BUSH trying to avoid the war the guy was a prisoner in the hanoi hilton for gods sake. That part of it your writer seems to shuffle under the rug as no big deal . the rest is all opinionated as all get out.

He doesn't know the guy and THAT much is obvious to me.
I know McCain Personally, not well but I see him once a week every week when he is in AZ.

- Con

[edit on 28-1-2008 by Conspiriology]

Originally posted by Conspiriology

Originally posted by Britguy
reply to post by Conspiriology

 

Can you point out the credibility issues in detail? I'm just curious to know what points brought up in the article are perhaps untrue

No on the contrary the article makes the claims that you agree to so the burden of proving the kind of character portrayed in the article is YOURS.

I know McCain Personally, not well but I see him once a week every week.

- Con

Oh so you are McCain's head shrink. Does he talk about how he commited treason during nam by selling out his fellow soldiers and becoming best of buddies with the prison camp commander.

I bet he has all kinds of stories , ya know about how easy it is to screw over the american people and start wars with WMD info that was made up by someone.

McCain is a Traitor to the American people in my book and should be thrown out of the USA for ever.

From what I have seen and read, from this side of the pond, and from many different writers, McCain is a LOT more hawkish than anyone else.
Coming from a military background, with a father and grandfather who also served in the military does NOT make him a trustworthy and patriotic potential leader.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
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I don't think so, because its not unnecessarily so.
With no Nam it would be 1944 to 2001 without major warfare.

I guess my dad was just making up all of those nightmares about a war we fought in Korea?

How abut the Six-Day War?

I guess the Iran / Iraq war doesn't count as 'major'?

So Mac Pain is wrong.
Tell him to learn from truth in the conspiracy theorists.

Why don't the conspiracy theorists learn some truth from history?

What bothers me here is the way he introduced these new wars - right in the middle of talking about the war in Iraq. Yes of course there will be other wars in the future some time eventually. But the way he mentions it, it seems like he is saying there will be more wars soon... and perhaps he's right.

The worst is the sentimentalism of the whole thing. Talking about PTSD, shrapnel wounds, etc. "My friends... my friends... my friends..." giving us "straight talk..." This is not straight talk, my friends. This is rhetoric. He said nothing about keeping the US out of wars, which would prevent problems like the one he's outlining from happening in the future. What he said was that lots of American soldiers are going to receive heavy combat wounds and we have to be able to treat them. Sort of a backwards strategy. You'd think that John McCain of all people would be against going to war, after the dehumanizing torture he experienced. You'd think that he'd be saying that he was going to get soldiers out of there, hell, even with a conservative timeline. But what he says instead is that more war is inevitable and that what we actually need are better veteran's systems. Well, war isn't inevitable. And at the very least, I don't want a president that seems to have resigned himself and thus the rest of the country into believing that it is.

Mccain has advocated reinstating the draft before as early as 2003-2005, as the Iraq war began to be seen for what it was, a quagmire. His explanation? Not enough boots on the ground ... that we should've used absolute supreme force, like 500,000 soldiers on the ground. And, a form of the draft was the way to achieve it, he said, while being interviewing by MSNBC as a political expert.