The speed of Darkness

Originally posted by Extralien
Secondly, something does exist.... here lies the problem though, the ability to describe that something, best they can do so far s call it dark energy.

LOL 'dark energy' is not darkness, it has nothing to do with the science of light.
It's only called dark energy because it can't be seen.

If you don't believe what I've been saying all I can say it do some reading. Google is a wonderful education tool...

the stupidity of this issue makes my head hurt.

Time for an optics lesson:

We DO NOT see light in midair. it doesn't work like that. when we see a light, color, objects, it is because the light from the sun/fire/desk lamp is reflecting off the surface of the object and hitting our eye. when we see a black shirt the reason it is black is because most of the light is being absorbed by the shirt, therefore none of it is reflected into our eye. when we see a white shirt all of the light is being reflected into our eye.

now. In a room, with objects. the light is coming from lets say a lamp. the things we see are visible because the light of the lamp is reflecting off the objects into our eye. now turn off the light. there is no light to reflect off the objects, so we see nothing. this is darkness. the objects do not emit light in a visible wavelength so we don't see them. there is no dark force that comes in when the lights go out and block our view. there is just no light.
the same goes for the sky at night. we see a dark black sky because there is nothing for the light to reflect off so it tumbles off into oblivion. the problem here is that people think light is like a soup or something we can see directly. bu in a roundabout way, we can't just see light. if we could then there would be a cloud of light around our computer monitors as they emit more light then we see, the only light we see is the light that hits our eyes.

Pretty much - it is not hard for universe, to make 'darkness' for our eyes: because we can perceive just a tiny part of EM spectrum. So, there is no 'darkness' per se....only our limitation bound to wavelengths for example in the air - from 380 to 750 nm. Tehnology/instruments are capable to overcome this to some degree.

The scientific definition of light includes the entire electromagnetic spectrum, not just visible light, so it is physically impossible to create perfect darkness. For example, all objects radiate heat in the form of infrared light and gamma rays, extremely high frequency light, can penetrate even dense materials. So, although an object may appear dark, it is likely bright at a frequency that a human being cannot see.

source:wiki

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by Extralien
Secondly, something does exist.... here lies the problem though, the ability to describe that something, best they can do so far s call it dark energy.

If you don't believe what I've been saying all I can say it do some reading. Google is a wonderful education tool...

LMFAO LMFAO yeah and so is wikipedia mate.

Originally posted by tayga
question: what is the speed of thought?

About this fast.

Originally posted by Nyte Angel
Another question came along with the speed of silence one, the speed of darkness:

Whats the speed of darkness?

I really wonder about this and have searched the net and gotten only theories. Well out of everyone, ATS is by far the best theorists around.

Thoughts?

That depends on what darkness is?

I am no scientist, which it is sad that you have to even say that on a web site that spews conspiracy theories all day by scientist and non scientist alike.

Somehow you are not as relevant without the money to go to school and get some piece of paper to prove to people you have as much to offer as any other human being.

All the people who buy into the whole higher education nonsense, to keep class and wealth in the hands of the same people, are no different than their brain dead fathers now retiring into poverty, because they believed what they were told by the same elites, that all they had to do was work hard and be loyal to the company and the company would take care of them...bla...bla..bla..

It’s too bad the mass of people refuse to live independent lives, that they prefer the false security of a strong authority figure and seek approval from that authority.

People want to believe in the goodness of humanity, in religious and political systems, that someone somewhere cares they are alive, that is the real problem.

We seek confirmation rather than truth, other wise life could be so much better for everyone.

All of this is relevant to the conversation, because dankness may be a part of a lesser reality of the finite, or of a greater reality of the infinite.

God is light and there is no possibility of the Absence of God.

If you want to define the speed of darkness you have to first define the fullness of everything, that is does our reality exist in a bubble so to speak.

If the infinite exists then we, that is us and all of the physical universe, are like a thought in the mind of something measureless and boundless.

Reality would have to be defined as existing both with measure and without measure at the same time.

If reality is constructed in this way then everything material is merely a manifestation of a force existing in the infinite reality which gives our reality form and limits.

Darkness could exist in a broader reality of things, without measure, then it would not be a question of speed, how fast is darkness, but one of location, where is darkness?


[edit on 6-2-2008 by newday]

Originally posted by newday

Originally posted by Nyte Angel

Darkness could exist in a broader reality of things, without measure, then it would not be a question of speed, how fast is darkness, but one of location, where is darkness?


[edit on 6-2-2008 by newday]

Darkness is at the location of where you see it.

Originally posted by gtirlad2

Darkness is at the location of where you see it.

Does gravity come from here where we feel it?

I think I can simply sum this question up into a logical answer….

Darkness has no mass, no physical form, darkness doesn’t have a speed because there’s no physical form that can move…..atoms move because they have a structure, light movies because it has a structure, it has a form, it is physical….all darkness really is, is just absence of light.

If you were to take away all the light in the universe darkness would just exist and of course with no speed……as soon as you introduce light, the light begins to travel thought the universe but the darkness can then only exit where the light is not traveling……

In order for darkness to have a speed it needs to by physical, it needs to be energy. Let’s say just for the sake of argument that darkness has a form and is physical, theoretically – a person could possibly direct a ‘flashdark', (new name for the invention - flashlight – flashdark) in the direction of light, making the area artificially dark like we can with light.

I don’t really know how that works scientifically…..? any ideas…? Flashdark...?

[edit on 7-2-2008 by andre18]

Originally posted by newday
God is light and there is no possibility of the Absence of God.
[edit on 6-2-2008 by newday]

Yes there is,

It's called not being Christian, Catholic, etc...

Death is God's darkness. There is no escaping that.

Watch Zeitgeist bud, it'll make you see things clearer than thinking 'God is light'.

NO OFFENSE TO ANY CHRISTIANS, CATHOLICS, ETC!

[edit on 9-2-2008 by Nyte Angel]

reply to post by andre18


Not now, but could be something of the future. I like that idea to btw, Flashdark. It would be a revolutionary invention.

reply to post by ANOK


Anok are you saying that darkness existed before light? Nothingness....the absence of something......Therefore darkness has always been in existance? Before the "big bang" there was nothingness, therefore darkness, the absences of light?

I love this thread beacause I have never though about the speed of darkness...

What is the speed of water in a fish tank as a fish swims in it, or if you throw a ball in a vacuum what is the speed of empty space the ball is flying through? With the fish the only movement of the water is the separating and then the closure around the fish, the actual water is not traveling. In the case of nothingness you don’t even have the need for separating and closure around an object such as a ball or photon. If both light and darkness was moving then there would be no relative movement between the two.

[edit on 9-2-2008 by Xtrozero]

Originally posted by realmatrix
Anok are you saying that darkness existed before light?

No that's not what I'm saying. There is no such thing as 'darkness', so how could it have existed before light?

Actually there was never a time when there was no light on planet Earth...
The Earth and Sun were formed around the same time 4.6b yrs, the sun is slightly older.

Edit; BTW what's the speed of the emptiness left in the fish tank after the water is emptied out? (added second wink just to be sure you all realise I am joking)

[edit on 10/2/2008 by ANOK]

Originally posted by ANOK
Edit; BTW what's the speed of the emptiness left in the fish tank after the water is emptied out?

Once again there is no speed for only the water is moving. If the emptiness was moving too then the water would never drain.

LOL... Dark is not a noun it's an adjective. To make it a thing it would be a state of being. It's the absence of light.

Guess what? Cold is not a thing either. It is the absence of heat. We can heat something up seemingly infinitely (we only guess how hot stars are). You can add all the heat you want. Yet there is an absolute zero degrees Kelvin (–272.15 degrees C) and there is nothing colder than that. Because you can't add more cold - cold doesn't exist.

Similarly you can not add darkness, just take away light. Darkness isn't a thing.

[edit on 10-2-2008 by Bigwhammy]

You do not use energy to create darkness so it cannot be measured. Darkness just exists everything else is made.

Originally posted by Tsakara
the stupidity of this issue makes my head hurt.

Time for an optics lesson:

We DO NOT see light in midair. it doesn't work like that. when we see a light, color, objects, it is because the light from the sun/fire/desk lamp is reflecting off the surface of the object and hitting our eye. when we see a black shirt the reason it is black is because most of the light is being absorbed by the shirt, therefore none of it is reflected into our eye. when we see a white shirt all of the light is being reflected into our eye.

now. In a room, with objects. the light is coming from lets say a lamp. the things we see are visible because the light of the lamp is reflecting off the objects into our eye. now turn off the light. there is no light to reflect off the objects, so we see nothing. this is darkness. the objects do not emit light in a visible wavelength so we don't see them. there is no dark force that comes in when the lights go out and block our view. there is just no light.
the same goes for the sky at night. we see a dark black sky because there is nothing for the light to reflect off so it tumbles off into oblivion. the problem here is that people think light is like a soup or something we can see directly. bu in a roundabout way, we can't just see light. if we could then there would be a cloud of light around our computer monitors as they emit more light then we see, the only light we see is the light that hits our eyes.

Can someone in this thread actually read this?

reply to post by Bigwhammy


If we can measure kelvin which is -, then how can we not measure darkness. Each one exists just as much as the other one does.

Originally posted by Nyte Angel
If we can measure kelvin which is -, then how can we not measure darkness. Each one exists just as much as the other one does.

Like Kelvin, we can measure light, but in both of these cases it is the lack of heat and light and not the lack of cold and darkness. Also both cold and darkness can bottom out, and so is the best example why they are the constants (known and unchanging) of the variables heat and light.