Is The Mahdi Of Muslims Is Alive

A lot of confused posts in this thread, and possible disinformation. I think it would be wise to look up and study about it, to understand more of what you want to know, then discuss it. Google is your friend.

Originally posted by AshleyD

Originally posted by Freeborn
Will Gandhi burn forever?
Who did Buddha harm?

I feel your pain, truly. Those two were more "righteous" than many Christians. But as we are told, our righteousness is as filthy rags because our works (good or bad) do not determine our final destination. It is all determined by grace. That is the Christian belief.

And that my friend is ONE of the very reasons I can not follow any organised religion.

Any belief system that punishes the just and rewards evil purely on adherence to dogma and death bed repentance of sins is far too hypocritical.

Fear not for me, I have no pain.
I am safe in the knowledge that I try to live my life, but often fail, in accordance to a set of values that I have set myself.
That is enough.
If some day I deemed to be wanting, well so be it, but it was MY choice.

I too believe there is little mileage left in this thread without the involvement of Muslim members.

I have enjoyed our discussion and can only hope that more threads on ATS are conducted with the same civility, goodwill, openness and grace that this has.

Regards and I'm sure I'll see you around.

Originally posted by Freeborn
Fear not for me, I have no pain.

Oh hush! You know what I meant! (I kid, I kid)

If some day I deemed to be wanting, well so be it, but it was MY choice.

At least you're honest about it.

I too believe there is little mileage left in this thread without the involvement of Muslim members.

Exactly. Where my homies at? I know they know this thread exists. I've begged for Muslim input regarding the Mahdi on numerous threads but it is never given. Hopefully one will chime in. lol

I have enjoyed our discussion and can only hope that more threads on ATS are conducted with the same civility, goodwill, openness and grace that this has.

Regards and I'm sure I'll see you around.

Likewise!

[edit on 1/23/2008 by AshleyD]

Wow! The amount of disinfo and ignorance (not to mention blatant hate), in this thread is off the charts!

Looks like every chance the so called "Christians" have had to teach tolerance and love in their posts have turned out to be "Islam is evil," "The Mahdi is evil," "Muhammad is evil," or "The Mahdi is the Anti-Christ." I do remember something about not judging others in the Bible, but I guess that doesn't relate anymore, does it?

So many ignorant posts, and I mean that because I see them trying to "teach" others about a religion they hardly know themselves, are posting that the Mahdi is the anti-Christ. First, to establish one as the anti-Christ, wouldn't the first piece of evidence be that the person is claiming to be the "Christ"? There seem to be people here who claim to know that the Mahdi is the Anti-Christ from what they've read, so please, show me the simple piece of evidence where it is written in the Sunnahs that the Mahdi will claim to be "Christ".

Second, the "convert or die" explanation of the Mahdi's actions are so over used here that I hope people reading it can study it for themselves and see how wrong the statement is. The Mahdi will fight, but only against the Gog and Magog army. Gog and Magog is mentioned in the Bible too, but there is a different relationship between them in Christianity and in Islam. In Islam, Gog and Magog are groups of human like beings that were ready to take mankind out of existance. For every human to have every existed, God had created hundreds more of the Gog and Magog species. As their punishment, God had sealed them underground, and one day they will make their way out and try to once again destroy humanity. It will be through the Mahdi and the Mahdi army that Gog and Magog are sealed up again.

The Anti-Christ will also come, claiming to have power over nature. He will be born in Jereusalaam, have wiry hair, and a patch of skin where his eye should be. He will walk with a limp and have a mark on his forhead that reads "Kafir" (unbeliever) that good People of the Book will be able to read. There will be droughts and famine through out the world, and the Anti-Christ will be able to make plants grow at will, and create water from rain clouds. By doing so, people will believe he is Christ/Jesus. He will lead many people as his following, using means of beautiful music or by claiming to ressurect their family members. Those who convert to his faith will think he is Christ and God (because he will claim to be both), and he will promise them heaven and cool water to drink, but in actuality the water they drink is boiling hot and it is hell he is deceiving them with.

When his followers have taken enough power to overthrow countries, there will be one person of faith (either Christian, Jewish, or Muslim) who will apprach the Dajjal and the Dajjal's followers, and infront of them all claim that the Dajjal is really the Anti-Christ. To "prove" to his followers that he is God, the Dajjal will take his sword and cut the man in half. He will then put the man back together and cure his wound. After this, the man who approached him and his audience will say that this is proof that he is the anti-Christ, because Jesus would no harm any individual like this. In anger, the Dajjal will once again try to cut the man in half, but the second time, he will see that this sword wiill not cut through the man. Jesus will then descend from heaven, leading Christian armies and Muslims armies towards defeating the Dajjal (Anti-Christ). Jesus will have a golden spear that he will throw into the chest of the Dajjal, who will then die. Jesus will then chase the Dajjal's followers towards a pit, where the followers will fall and become trapped, till the day of Judgement. After this Jesus and the Mahdi will rule the world in peace, where Jesus will start a family, and so will the Mahdi.

After both die, the start of Judgment day will occur, and all of creation will be judged.

Since the west and mostly Christianity has the misconception of the "convert or die" belief about Islam, Muhammad, or the Mahdi, I will try and explain it to break through the mounting ignorance. In Islam, it is forbidden for any Muslims to kill another person at all, whether they be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Athiest, Pagan, Wiccan, etc. There is only one exception to this, however, and that is if the Muslim is being attacked, or their life is in danger. Even then, if the attacker asks for peace after the attack, a Muslim must forgive him and make peace. If the attacker chooses to continue their attack, then a Muslim can defend themself. A Muslim can never be the offender, oppressor, or attacker; Muslims can only be the defender and seek peace when possible.

Now since it is forbidden for a Muslim to kill another Muslim, the armies who fought against non-Muslims, were asked for peace by Muslims. If the opposing armies chose to fight instead of choose peace, then they had one other option, and that was to convert to Islam, so that the Muslim armies could no retaliate against their attacks. Doing so would also mean peace (so as long as the opposing army did not attack). But even when they chose not to convert, they chose to continue to be an enemy and attacker, so the Muslim armies were left with no choice, even with the proposal of a peace treaty, but to defend.

Now about the thing about Muhammad being a "pedophile," and "war monger," I'll say that it's your opinion, but do not post it as if it's fact. Muhammad never killed anyone, unless it was self defense. His wife, which hateful people like to spread disinfo about, was in her teens and not 5 or 8 years old. He did raid caravans, but only to get back what the Meccans stole from Muhammad and his followers, after they were forced out of Mecca by the Pagans.

Muhammad even went so far as creating a peace agreement with Jewish tribes who wanted to assassinate him. The Quraishi tribe, for example, tried to assassinate Muhammad, but Muhammad wanted to forgive them and give them another chance, so he created the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah, which was a peace agreement between both parties.

Lastly, the disinfo about Muslims believing Christians and Jews are their enemies, or that Islam claims that only Muslim will go to heaven, is just lies told by people who are afraid to lose their ignorance. I will present Surrahs/versesfrom the Quran:


Surah - 2:62 - "Those who believe, Jews, Nazarenes (Christians) and Sabaeans - whoever believes in God and the Last Day and does good deeds - shall be rewarded by their Lord; they have nothing to fear nor are they saddened."

Surah - 9:11 - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor due, then they are your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge."

Surah 29:46 - "And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit."

[edit on 22-1-2008 by DJMessiah]

Yay! Finally we have some Islamic perspective in this thread about the Mahdi. Let us begin.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
Wow! The amount of disinfo and ignorance (not to mention blatant hate), in this thread is off the charts!

You'll have to explain to me how having an opinion or asking questions equates with "blatant hate" because we're, as you said, "ignorant." Thanks.

I do remember something about not judging others in the Bible, but I guess that doesn't relate anymore, does it?

We are told not to judge others. As in people. But the Bible also says "a wise man judges all things." As in he takes in the evidence, examines it, weighs it, and comes to a conclusion. That is what is being done in this thread. We are examining doctrine (things). Not saying "Muslims [people] are evil."

are posting that the Mahdi is the anti-Christ.

Do you deny the Christian prophecies concerning the Antichrist and false prophet are uncannily similar to the Islamic prophecies concerning the Al Mahdi and his accompaniment by "Jesus?"

First, to establish one as the anti-Christ, wouldn't the first piece of evidence be that the person is claiming to be the "Christ"?

Incorrect. The Antichrist is not just a person claiming to be the Christ. He is a person against [Anti] the Christ.

The Mahdi will fight, but only against the Gog and Magog army. Gog and Magog is mentioned in the Bible too, but there is a different relationship between them in Christianity and in Islam. In Islam, Gog and Magog are groups of human like beings that were ready to take mankind out of existance.

This is exactly what the Bible says will happen as well: The Antichrist will be at war with the great army described as... human like beings that are ready to take mankind out of existence. So what's the difference? It still sounds like the Al Mahdi and Antichrist are one and the same.

The Anti-Christ will also come, claiming to have power over nature. He will be born in Jereusalaam, have wiry hair, and a patch of skin where his eye should be.

Right. The Dajjal. An evil figure alluded to in the Bible as being one-eyed.

...will approach the Dajjal and the Dajjal's followers, and infront of them all claim that the Dajjal is really the Anti-Christ. To "prove" to his followers that he is God, the Dajjal will take his sword and cut the man in half. He will then put the man back together and cure his wound.

The Bible mentions something similar: The Antichrist will be wounded, the false prophet will heal this wound, and the people will believe it is a miracle.

After this, the man who approached him and his audience will say that this is proof that he is the anti-Christ, because Jesus would no harm any individual like this.

Yup. Also mentioned in the Bible. The false prophet will be overthrown.

The misconception of the "convert or die" belief about Islam, Muhammad, or the Mahdi, I will try and explain it to break through the mounting ignorance....

...If the opposing armies chose to fight instead of choose peace, then they had one other option, and that was to convert to Islam...

Forgive me for scratching my head but to me that says "convert or die." The whole thing about declaring peace really means nothing because the core message is: convert or die. Declare peace with us [read: do it our way] or die. What am I missing?

Lastly, the disinfo about Muslims believing Christians and Jews are their enemies, or that Islam claims that only Muslim will go to heaven, is just lies told by people who are afraid to lose their ignorance.... I will present Surrahs/versesfrom the Quran...

Surah 29:46 - "And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit."

Er... who else would accept Mohammad as a prophet of God and accept his message other than a Muslim? It's like a Christian saying you don't have to be a Christian to go to Heaven. You only have to believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God who died for your sins. Only Christians will believe that. Only Muslims will believe in Mohammad's revelation.

This also makes me question this doctrine:

"Whoever prefers a religion other than Islam, it shall definitely not be accepted from him. And in the Hereafter, he shall be among the losers."
(3:85)

As well as this interpretation of the verse you stated. "Belief" in context refers to Mohammad and his message:

"Indeed, those who have believed [in Mohammad and his message]... they shall have their reward with their Lord and they shall neither have fear nor any remorse." (5:69)

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I'd love to hear your thoughts. You don't have to answer the last questions if you don't want to. I'm not really interested in wasting your time asking you to explain Islamic doctrine to me but nothing you told me about the Mahdi made me think he was anyone different than the Antichrist. In fact, it just further reinforced what I thought in the first place.

Originally posted by aleon1018
And do they also have, and living, relatives to supposedly genetically prove they are related?

If this Mahdi was an entity to begin with and then returns in some type of physical form, it will be interesting to see how Islam tests this person or entity to prove they are who they say they are.

Yes, this will be possible if they go the DNA testing route. The Mahdi is supposed to be a descendant of Mohammad. Mohammad still has living descendants today, one being King Hussein of Jordan. I never thought of that before but it is possible, because of this, they could test him with science.

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Would appreciate that, things were getting a bit dull.

Yeh time to Spice up the thread!

The coming of Imam Mahdi is one of the signs of Qiyamah(Doomsday) as is the belief of the Muslims and he has yet to appear. Abdullah ibn Masu`d has reported that the Prophet (peac be upon him) has said:

"The world will not pass away before the Arabs are ruled by a man (referring to Mahdi) of my family whose name will be the same as mine"

There is only One that is Imam Mahdi and for one to claim that he is Imam Mahdi,he will have to meet al the conditions by Prophet (peave be upon him).

Some of the signs which will precede Imam Mahdi are as follows, so that we Muslims are not mislead to believe in somebody claiming to be the Mahdi who in reality is a blatant liar.

Signs that will Precede Imam Mahdi

1) A General Sign

There are many signs that will precede him, a general and very important sign is that he will come at a time when there is great confutation, intense disputes and violent deaths. When people are afflicted by disturbance and experiencing great fear. Calamities will fall upon the people, so much so that a man shall not find a shelter to shelter him self from oppression. There will be battles and fitnaas before his appearance. Every time a fitnaa has come to end, another will start, spread and intensify. The people will be troubled to such an extent that they will long for death. It is then that Imam Mahdi will be sent.

Abu Saeed Al-Khudri has repoted that the Messenger of Allah said "He will be sent at a time of intense disputes and differences among people and earthquakes..." (Ahmed)

2) The Battle in Mina

Before Imam Mahdi emerges an inter-tribal fight will take place. In the same year hajis will be looted and a battle will erupt in Mina in which many people will be killed. Ameer bin Shauaib reported from his grandfather that the messenger of Allah said:

"In Dhul Qaidah (Islamic Month) the tribes will fight, Hajis will be looted and there will be a battle in Mina in which many people will be slain and blood will flow until it runs over the Jamaratul Aqba. Their companion (referring to Imam Mahdi) will flee to a point between the corner and the Maqaam and will be forced to accept people's allegiance." (Al-Fitan, Nuaim ibn Hammad)

3) The Euphrates will Disclose a Mountain of Gold

The Final Hour will not come until the river Euphrates (which flows through Syria and Iraq and finally opens in the Gulf) will disclose a mountain of gold over which people will fight and die Abu Hurairah Radiallahu Anhu reported that the Messenger of Allah said:

"The shall not occur until the Euphrateswill disclosea mountain of gold, over which people will fight. 99 out of every hundred shall die, and every one of them shall say, 'perchance I shall be the one to succeed" (Muslim)

In another narration we have been told that who ever is present at the time when the Euphrates discloses a mountain of gold should not take the gold.

5) Emergence of the Sufyani

The Sufyani (a descendant of Abu Sufyan) will emerge before Imam Mahdi from the depths of Damascus. According to some weak narrations, his name will be Urwa bin Muhammad and his kunniya 'Abu Utbah'. The Ahadith regarding the Sufyani specify that he is a tyrant who will spread corruption and mischeif on the earth before Imam Mahdi. He will be such a tyrant that he will kill the children and rip out the bellies of women. When he hears about the Mahdi, he will send an army to seize and kill him. However the earth will swallow this army before it even reaches Imam Mahdi. Abu Hurairah Radiallahu Anhu has narrated that the Prophet said:

"A man will emerge from the depths of Damascus. He will be called Sufyani. Most of those who follow him will be from the tribe of Kalb. He will kill by ripping the stomachs of women and even kill the children. A man from my family will appear in the Haram, the news of his advent will reach the Sufyani and he will send to him one of his armies. He (referring to Imam Mahdi) will defeat them. They will then travel with whoever remains until they come to a desert and they will be swallowed. None will be saved except the one who had informed the others about them."
(Mustadrak).

Some Signs of Qiyamah (Doomsday)

Hazart Abu Musa Al Ashari narrates that The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) (May Allah send peace and blessings upon him) said: "Qiyamah will come....

* When Islam will become a stranger (unwanted religion).
* When it will be regarded as a shame to act upon Quranic injunctions.
* When untrustworthy people will be regarded as trustworthy and the trustworthy will be regarded as untrustworthy.
* When the liars will be regarded as truthful and the truthful will be regarded as liars.
* When women with children become displeased (on account of them bearing off-spring) and barren women remain happy (on account of having no responsibility of off-spring).
* When lies prevail over the truth.
* When people blatantly follow their passions and whims.
* When immorality overtakes shamelessness and is perpetrated publicly.

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Vishnu's avatar to come... Riding on a white horse, just like in Revelation. White Rider ahoy, in every religion worth a damn. Fiddle-de-dee, be nice if they were wrong. Got a feeling in my plus-fours that they're spot on the money though unfortunately.

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Sounds very vague!!! Tribes fighting each other? Sounds like Iraq to me. Islam and unwanted religion, Yes it is now.

Originally posted by kangjia57
...he will come at a time when there is great confutation, intense disputes and violent deaths.

In the Bible we are told the Antichrist will arise when the earth is in massive confusion, chaos, and disorder.

When people are afflicted by disturbance and experiencing great fear. Calamities will fall upon the people, so much so that a man shall not find a shelter to shelter him self from oppression.

Same thing in the Bible. We are told when the Antichrist arises things will be so scary that humans will faint from fear and go to the mountains for shelter but even then they will not be safe from the horrors of the time.

There will be battles and fitnaas before his appearance. Every time a fitnaa has come to end, another will start, spread and intensify.

Jesus warns us this is when and how the Antichrist will arise. "Wars and rumors of war" will gradually increase in frequency until all hell breaks lose and the Mahdi arrives. Oops. I meant Antichrist.

The people will be troubled to such an extent that they will long for death. It is then that Imam Mahdi will be sent.

Yup. Same thing the Bible says. People will "beg the rocks to fall on them" and wish for death but it will not come. Thus enters the Antichrist.

[Abu Saeed Al-Khudri has repoted that the Messenger of Allah said "He will be sent at a time of intense disputes and differences among people and earthquakes..." (Ahmed)

Again, Yup. Jesus said there will be disputes against the people ("ethnos" will rise against "ethnos" and kingdom against kingdom). And, as you said, intense earthquakes.

Before Imam Mahdi emerges an inter-tribal fight will take place... many people will be killed...

...and there will be a battle in Mina in which many people will be slain and blood will flow until it runs over the Jamaratul Aqba....

I'm learning so much. This is great! Yup. The Antichrist will arise after the battle mentioned in Ezekiel. After this great battle where "many people will be killed" and blood will flow "like a river."

The Final Hour will not come until the river Euphrates (which flows through Syria and Iraq and finally opens in the Gulf) will disclose a mountain of gold over which people will fight and die...

Same thing in the Bible only no "gold" is discovered. The Euphrates will dry up which will allow the "army of the East" to make its way across Asia to battle the Antichrist.

...They will then travel with whoever remains until they come to a desert and they will be swallowed. None will be saved except the one who had informed the others about them."

Interesting. The Bible also mentions an evil army that will "be swallowed by the earth opening up." And this is to take place in... the desert.

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Now here is my additional question: How long will the reign of the Mahdi last? The general consensus is that it will be seven years but I've also heard 8, 9, 13, 14, etc. What does that Hadith actually say? Thanks. This has all been very educational.

Originally posted by AshleyD
It's like a Christian saying you don't have to be a Christian to go to Heaven.

That's not true Jesus never said you have to be a Christian to go to heaven.

"And behold, I am coming quickly,and My reward is with me, to give to EVERYONE according to his work"

Revelation 22:12

He doesn't say every Christian. He does say his not his and her. But I don't believe Jesus will exclude girls.

Originally posted by Shawn B.
That's not true Jesus never said you have to be a Christian to go to heaven.

"And behold, I am coming quickly,and My reward is with me, to give to EVERYONE according to his work"

Revelation 22:12

But what is our "work?"

"Then they asked Him, 'What must we do to do the works God requires?' Jesus answered, 'The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.'"

Do you believe? That is the question.

Yeah, I believe.

I know what it means to believe too.

Hi/

After a possible third world war(Involving Russia and Turkey)......prophecy speaks of Constantinople in the hands of the Greeks......The Agia Sofia(WISDOM Cathedral) is again as it was in place of Early Christianity....spreading of the Gospel worldwide.///"The Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world as a witness unto all nations; and then the end shall come" (Mt. 24:14).

The Antichrist arrives as a 'peace' maker to solve the worlds problems made by war,especially since this will be the greatest of all wars that mankind has ever seen.....
.....an army of 18 countries follow toward the Place they call Armageddon......(Russia will finally lose the battle as Orthodox prophecy speaks....this place will be full of dead bodies....the rest of the Apocalypse will be fullfilled........
Two prophets of the Old Testament arrive as well(same time or just before the appearance of the Antichrist)......(and so it is also said...St John of the Apocalypse will also come,
for his body had not been found).....Lives of Saints'' translated by The Russian Chrysostom Press''.....
Enoch and Elijah(known as 'Elias'in Greek)..."They shall tread the holy city down for forty and two months; and I will give to my two witnesses, and they shall predict a thousand two hundred and threescore days clothed in sackcloth.".......prophesy for 3 and half years...then after they shall be killed.
another......"These are the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the e arth."........also know...For in Zechariah, one of the twelve prophets, written: "These are the two olive trees and two candlesticks which stand in the presence of the Lord of the earth;".......(refer to the 11th chapter of the Apocalypse)


They will finish their testimony and after this, the Antichrist shall put them to death .....in that same place Christ was Crucified..."And their dead bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt." they shall not .......then a great earthquake and all that is written in the Book of the Apocalypse.

1.11-12. And after three days and a half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon those who saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven, saying unto them: Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.



"The evil joy of the impious will be not be long in duration. In three and a half days the holy prophets will be brought to life by God and raised up to heaven." (Archbishop Averky)



11.13. And the same hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand; and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.



"At the same time a great earthquake will take place, a tenth part of the city will be destroyed and seven thousand men will perish, and the remained being seized with fear will send up glory to the God of heaven. Thus a decisive blow will be given to the work of the Antichrist." (Archbishop Averky)

The figure "seven thousand" recalls the seven thousand who have not bowed their knees to Baal in the time of the Prophet Elijah's first coming to earth (III Kings 19.18).

St. Hippolytus teaches that Enoch and Elijah will preach for three-and-a-half years and will be killed in the middle of the Antichrist's seven-year reign. "As also it was announced to Daniel: And one week shall establish the covenant with many; and in the midst of the week My sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away (9.27) - that the one week [of years] might be shown to be divided into two. The two witnesses, then, shall preach three years and a half; and the Antichrist shall wage war against the saints during the rest of the week, and desolate the world."[235]
From THE BOOK OF THE END

IX
helen

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Now here is my additional question: How long will the reign of the Mahdi last? The general consensus is that it will be seven years but I've also heard 8, 9, 13, 14, etc. What does that Hadith actually say? Thanks. This has all been very educational.

On seeing this, the Abdaals of Shaam as well as large numbers of people from Iraq will come to him and pledge their allegiance to him. Then a person from the Quraish, whose uncle will be from the Bani Kalb tribe will send an army to attack him, only to be overpowered, by the will of Allah. This (defeated) army will be that of the Bani Kalb. Unfortunate indeed is he who does not receive a share from the booty of the Kalb. This person (Imam Mahdi) will distribute the spoils of war after the battle. He will lead the people according to the Sunnat and during his reign Islam will spread throughout the world. He will remain till seven years (since his emergence). He will pass away and the Muslims will perform his Janazah salaat." (Abu Dawood)
According to a Hadeeth, Sayyidena Eesa (A.S.) will lead the Janaazah (funeral) of Imam Mahdi (A.S.).

While the people will be pledging their allegiance to Imaam Mahdi, a voice from the unseen will call out:

"This is the representative of Allah,
The Mahdi, listen to him and obey him"






[edit on 24-1-2008 by kangjia57]

Originally posted by kangjia57
...This person (Imam Mahdi)...will remain till seven years (since his emergence)....

Interesting indeed. The Antichrist is also said to remain for seven years after his emergence.

May I ask you a question, Kangjia, with all due respect? Do you not believe the warnings of the Antichrist match the prophecies of the Mahdi almost to the minue detail? I would really like to know how a Muslim views this. As you know, Christians are told in detail what the Antichrist will be like and what all the prophecies entail. There has not been a single fact on this thread concerning the Mahdi that contradicts with something the Antichrist will do or what he will be like. What are your thoughts on this?

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May I ask you a question, Kangjia, with all due respect? Do you not believe the warnings of the Antichrist match the prophecies of the Mahdi almost to the minue detail?

Yeh it is very simillar.
Let me also tell you that if the Christians follow the Original bible (the one that has not been corrupted) than they indeed are Muslims too.

That’s the same case with Jews with the Torah.If they follow the original Torah (the one that has not been corrupted) than they indeed are Muslims too.

But the Bibles and Torahs original manuscrips had been lost.

Narrated Ubaidullah: "Ibn 'Abbas said, 'Why do you ask the people of the scripture about anything while your Book (Quran) which has been revealed to Allah's Apostle is newer and the latest? You read it pure, undistorted and unchanged, and Allah has told you that the people of the scripture (Jews and Christians) changed their scripture and distorted it, and wrote the scripture with their own hands and said, 'It is from Allah,' to sell it for a little gain. Does not the knowledge which has come to you prevent you from asking them about anything? No, by Allah, we have never seen any man from them asking you regarding what has been revealed to you!' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Holding Fast to the Qur'an and Sunnah, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 461)"

I'm sure i've read all of this thread, but didn't see this so I will post another description of the Imam Mahdi...

Other ahadeeth inform us that:

* He will be tall
* He will be fair complexioned
* His facial features will be similar to those of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)
* His character will be exactly like that of Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)
* His father's name will be Abdullah
* His mother's name will be Aamina
* He will speak with a slight stutter and occasionally this stutter will frustrate him causing him to hit his hand upon his thigh.
* His age at the time of his emergence will be forty years
* He will receive Knowledge from Allah.

Also this...

"He will be from my progeny and will be forty years of age. His face will shine like a star and he will have a black spot on his left cheek. He will don two "Qutwaani" cloaks and will appear exactly as a person from the Bani Israeel..." (Tabrani)

A black spot on his left cheek? A mole perhaps?

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On a personal note, I was a Christian for quite some time, but left my congregation due to the hypocrisy within the church itself. I recall the pastor making a comment about Islamic belief that Muslims going to heaven get to have Virgins (or something like that), then everyone cracked up laughing, some saying 'Oh how deluded they are'. Kind pissed me off, not because they laughed at what the pastor said, but the realisation that the very people that said 'they are deluded' actually believed that a human being was God himself.

Another time before this though, someone said 'Oh, the muslims don't believe in our God, they believe in another God called Allah'. I snapped back and called him ignorant, pointing out that its the 'same' God, and 'Allah' means 'God' in Arabic.

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On a personal note, I was a Christian for quite some time, but left my congregation due to the hypocrisy within the church itself. I recall the pastor making a comment about Islamic belief that Muslims going to heaven get to have Virgins (or something like that), then everyone cracked up laughing, some saying 'Oh how deluded they are'. Kind pissed me off, not because they laughed at what the pastor said, but the realisation that the very people that said 'they are deluded' actually believed that a human being was God himself.

What’s your view on Islam compare to Christianity?

I don't know if the Mahdi walks this earth yet, but if he does he should be a man in his mid to late thirties by now. Some muslims believe he is already here, others are preparing for his return, but just like Jesus, the Anti Christ, the end of the world, we won't for sure until it's too late.

In this thread Islamic Prophecy - Final Signs of Qiyaamah I've add some of what I found about the Al-Mahdi.

oh btw, The Mahdi is Not the Anti Christ. There are two separate entities.