Asteroid 2007 TU24 has NASA concerned.

Originally posted by jfj123

Originally posted by Moegli
Plasma is a Science!

99.999% of all observable Matter in the Universe exist in their Plasma state.

No offense but your statement is just a claim. Please post evidence to support it to make it factual.

Electric space: Evolution of the plasma universe
Author; Peratt, Anthony L. AA
(Los Alamos National Laboratory; Office of Research and Development, United States Department of Energy)
Publication: Astrophysics and Space Science, Volume 244, Issue 1-2, pp. 89-103 (Ap&SS Homepage)

Contrary to popular and scientific opinion of just a few decades ago, space is not an ‘empty’ void. It is actually filled with high energy particles, magnetic fields, and highly conducting plasma. The ability of plasmas to produce electric fields, either by instabilities brought about by plasma motion or the movement of magnetic fields, has popularized the term ‘Electric Space’ in recognition of the electric fields systematically discovered and measured in the solar system. Today it is recognized that 99.999% of all observable matter in the universe is in the plasma state and the importance of electromagnetic forces on cosmic plasma cannot be overstated; even in neutral hydrogen regions (10^‑4 parts ionized), the electromagnetic force to gravitational force ratio is 10^7.

Plasma and the Universe: Large Scale Dynamics, Filamentation, and Radiation
Authors: Peratt, Anthony L. AA(Los Alamos National Laboratory)
Publication: Astrophysics and Space Science, Volume 227, Issue 1-2, pp. 97-107

One of the earliest predictions about the morphology of the universe is that it be filamentary (Alfvén, 1950). This prediction followed from the fact that volumewise, the universe is 99.999% matter in the plasma state.
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you might want to have a look at this post too for some background on plasma astronomy; www.abovetopsecret.com...


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Newsflash
Russian scientist say they can no longer track the rock because of its plasma. They claim that it is stealth now so they gave up trying to track it and went back to drinking their vodka.

reply to post by judasfish


Yeah I watched it and yeah its a bit worrying. Lets all hope for an uneventful Jan 29th.

reply to post by Ironclad


There are two asteroids approaching inside of 10 LD (distance between Earth and Moon).

The first, as mentioned:
2007 TU24 inside 10 LD of earth 24 Jan. – 3 Feb

and the second one is:
2007 DA inside 10 LD 11 – 12 Feb

www.hohmanntransfer.com...

The same link also contains a listing of numerous other observations.

www.hohmanntransfer.com...

The following info may be helpful or at least interesting when putting things into perspective.

Asteroid Scare Prompts NASA to Formalize Response
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 06:32 am ET
22 March 2004

An unprecedented asteroid scare in January had astronomers worried for a few hours over a rock that had a 1-in-4 chance of hitting Earth during the next few days. At the time, some of the scientists were unsure who should be notified. The event has prompted NASA to set up a formal process for notifying top officials in the future of any impending impacts, SPACE.com has learned.

www.space.com...

More than 160 asteroids have been classified as "potentially hazardous" by the scientists who track them. Some of these, whose orbits come close enough to Earth, could potentially be perturbed in the distant future and sent on a collision course with our planet.

Two programs have been set up to actively search for Near-Earth Objects (NEO's): NASA's Near Earth Asteroid Tracking (NEAT) program, and Spacewatch at the University of Arizona.

www.space.com...

NEAR-EARTH ASTEROID TRACKING

Amors, Apollos, and Atens are the three categories of Near-Earth asteroids (NEAs). Amor asteroids approach the Earth's orbit from the outside, Apollo asteroids cross the Earth's orbit, and Aten asteroids approach the Earth's orbit from the inside. Potentially Hazardous asteroids (PHAs) are larger than ~0.2 km (0.1 mile) and approach close enough to present a potential hazard but not a current hazard.

neat.jpl.nasa.gov...

Small Asteroid Passes Between Satellites and Earth
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior Science Writer
posted: 22 December 2004
10:24 am ET

The asteroid passed just under the orbits of geostationary satellites, which at 22,300 miles (36,000 kilometers) altitude are the highest manmade objects circling Earth. Most other satellites, along with the International Space Station, circle the planet at just a few hundred miles up.

www.space.com...

I'm wondering now if this asteroid might cause some type of EMP pulse affecting the worlds power grids ???

Werner Von Braun warned about this ... terrorism, then asteroids and finally alien invasion. I have a feeling that this is not over by a long shot ...

reply to post by hal4511


Exactly as predicted in the Disclosure project. Weaponize space for $$$$ for the military industrial complex.

After reading every post on every page I am ... just confused now. lol

If someone wouldn't mind, help me to understand if this thing is predicted to affect the Southern Hemisphere (and in that, would Japan potentially see large earthquakes?) or break up into pieces over Europe as someone else mentioned ?

I got a little lost in all the info put out here and am not even going to try fake knowledge on this sort of thing. This has me feeling very uneasy. Although living on a military base in Japan I'd hope we'd be notified of anything able to possibly cause mass hysteria and destruction on such a scale so we could prepare.

Anyway, I'll kep an eye on the weather and sky til then.

Cheers.

Originally posted by ImJaded

After reading every post on every page I am ... just confused now. lol

If someone wouldn't mind, help me to understand

most of us agree it is not going to hit, or even enter our atmosphere.

What we are debating is whether or not if it's negatively charged, will it cause plasma discharge from earth?

reply to post by aaaauroraaaaa


Forgive me for being unclear, I meant I was confused about where it would affect the Earth if it indeed is negatively charged.

To put it simply, should I be on alert in case of a massive earthquake being in Japan?
Will there possibly be the Tsunami on Australia's southern coast as mentioned by others (even jokingly) ?

Just wondering what the possibility of these happening is.

Cheers.

Originally posted by ImJaded
reply to post by aaaauroraaaaa

 

Forgive me for being unclear, I meant I was confused about where it would affect the Earth if it indeed is negatively charged.

To put it simply, should I be on alert in case of a massive earthquake being in Japan?
Will there possibly be the Tsunami on Australia's southern coast as mentioned by others (even jokingly) ?

Just wondering what the possibility of these happening is.

Cheers.

All of the above, yes.

I'm pretty sure someone else here has mentioned that it is well known that Denver, CO, USA will be "beachfront property" by this summer.

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On a lighter note, my daughter's birthday is Jan 29th. Let's not spoil it, eh?

Watch where politicians go on January 29th - keep an eye out for anything weird in terms of higher-ups not going out in public on that day if there is any real concerns.

Mount St. Helens rumbles once again

Seismic activity, steam clouds signal movement within volcano...

Most likely completely unrelated, but playing in with the theories it makes an interesting story.

Originally posted by Moegli
I feel like I'm isolated. The media is avoiding this completely (not surprising). Type in GOOGLE NEWS: 2007 TU24 or simply TU24, then come back here.

ED: There's the possibility NASA is withholding information until it can be verified or, non-coverage to avoid mass panic and riots etc.

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They should rename this asteroid "Ron Paul".
Is'nt that funny!

Originally posted by fibonacci
Mount St. Helens rumbles once again

Seismic activity, steam clouds signal movement within volcano...

Most likely completely unrelated, but playing in with the theories it makes an interesting story.

YES! That is INFORMATION THAT WE NEED. ALONG WITH those wierd asian weather storms that just had a thread a couple days ago, these are things to look for if there is going to be something that is going to happen with TU24. It's not a coincidence IMO, Is it cold everywhere else midwest/northeast USA for everyone?

Originally posted by Sky watcher
Check out the picture of the volcano on this site, Its very Erie looking. 1.4 LD is not that big of a deal if thats the real distance. NASA needs to get off its butt and find better ways to spot and track these things. Unless they do and just don't tell us.

It's silly to think that NASA can't calculate it correctly, here we are with billion dollar telescopes like the ESO Paranal, Hubble and more which can feed all that data into supercomputers, they know for sure.

Closest Approaches to the Earth by Minor Planets

Distance __Date (TT) _Designation_ (H)_ Reference
(AU)


-'very close' NEO’s that are too small (H above 22) to worry about…
0.00008 _2004 Mar. 31.65_ 2004 FU162_ 28.7_ MPEC 2004-Q22
0.00049 _2007 Sept. 5.05_ 2007 RS1_ 30.6_ MPEC 2007-R21

(*)TU24 supposedly from Catalina Sky Survey
0.00096

(*)TU24 supposedly from Harvard's list of Potentially Hazardous Asteroids
0.00099 (-if this value is current that is only 148,102 km from Earth)

(*)TU24 supposedly from Sormano Astronomical Observatory
0.0014

(*)TU24 supposedly from Goldstone
0.0020

-EARTH/Moon physical center-to-center dist. ~ 384,403 km or 0.00256 (au)
0.00256

Near Earth Objects ‘outside moon’ orbit with (H) at the ‘Warning’ value
0.00289 _ 2006 July 3.18_ 2004 XP14_ 19.4_ MPEC 2006-M49
0.00303 _ 1996 May 19.69_ 1996 JA1_ 20.5_ MPEC 1996-K01
0.00353 _ 2002 Aug. 18.33_ 2002 NY40_ 18.9_ MPEC 2002-O17

(**) NAsA value projected for Jan 29th
0.00370 _ 2008 Jan. 29.36_ 2007 TU24_ 20.1_ MPEC 2007-T86

Some other recent (PHAs) which pass farther and farther out
0.00457 _ 1989 Mar. 22.90_ 1989 FC_ 20.5_ IAUC 4767
0.00474 _ 1994 Nov. 24.85_ 1994 WR12_ 22.0_ MPEC 1994-Y05
0.00495 _ 1937 Oct. 30.71_ 1937 UB_ 17.5_ IAUC 689
0.00557 _ 2002 Jan. 7.32_ 2001 YB5_ 20.2_ MPEC 2001-Y51
0.00775 _ 1976 Oct. 20.70_ 1976 UA_ 20.26_ IAUC 3028
0.00817 _ 2002 Apr. 6.16_ 2002 FD6_ 22.0_ MPEC 2002-F54
0.00983 _ 2001 Feb. 26.72_ 2001 EC_ 18.5_ MPEC 2001-E17
0.00984 _ 1988 Sept.29.09_ 1988 TA_ 21.0_ ***

0.05 or greater (au going towards 1) everything is presumably AOK!

(Table above borrowed from)
cfa-www.harvard.edu...

(*) from tu24.org forum user “NUA”
www.tu24.org...

(**)neo.jpl.nasa.gov...

Potentially Hazardous Asteroids (PHAs) are currently defined based on parameters that measure the asteroid's potential to make threatening close approaches to the Earth. Specifically, all asteroids with an Earth Minimum Orbit Intersection Distance (MOID) of 0.05 AU or less and an absolute magnitude (H) of 22.0 or less are considered PHAs. In other words, asteroids that can't get any closer to the Earth (i.e. MOID) than 0.05 AU (roughly 7,480,000 km or 4,650,000 mi) or are smaller than about 150 m (500 ft) in diameter (i.e. H = 22.0 with assumed albedo of 13%) are not considered PHAs.

Conversion of Absolute Magnitude to Diameter: The diameter of an asteroid can estimated from its absolute magnitude (H). The lower the H value, the larger the size of the object. However, this also requires that the asteroid's albedo be known as well. Since the albedo for most asteroids is not known, an albedo range between 0.25 to 0.05 is usually assumed.

neo.jpl.nasa.gov...

My question to any budding or full blossomed astronomer/astrophysicists out there, is the above Harvard table of closest approaches reflecting physical center-to-center distances between Earth and NEOs – at the time of their closest convergence to the MOID?

Or do the indicated table distances show the MOID only (smallest distance between two converging orbits?)

Id like to see an apples to apples table obviously if this one I’ve cobbled together above isn’t??

The MOID verses Center to Center distinction makes a difference obviously. As posted elsewhere orbital paths (MOID) may intersect/or pass close by but their tracking objects can be far far away from each other when one or the other happens to pass through the MOID. In this case however it looks like the worst of both scenarios.

I’d appreciate any appropriate flak for the sloppy table and wrongheaded comments.

-scrap

(update) I am getting a Harvard TU24 (au) of 0.003705 which is the NAsA value. Did the TU24.org person mess up? What's the damn value!!!
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Of course they know and thats whats driving me crazy ... they will tell you about an asteroid possibly hitting Mars but keep a tight lip on this one.

I just have this funny feeling that somehow theres more here than meets the eye, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that the news starts to leak and we hear more about this ...

It seems to me the that thanks to web sites like this one the media will be forced to make some sort of statement about this ... their silence is deafening

I have a very strong feeling that on 1st Feb certain people will be very quiet when this proves - like so many previous cases - to be a non event

Originally posted by Sky watcher
Newsflash
Russian scientist say they can no longer track the rock because of its plasma. They claim that it is stealth now so they gave up trying to track it and went back to drinking their vodka.

Don't worry. Dumbledore and Potter have been advised and the combined efforts of all pupils and staff at Hogwarts will be directed towards ensuring the asteroid causes no problems. This information is however highly secret and the Ministry of Magic will, or course, deny all knowledge

I modified the opening post of this thread to contain the (recovered) entire first post of this story on the Yahoo News Message Board. Some time in the past 24 hours, Yahoo pulled the entire thread from their board.